Randy vs Brock

i still think a lot of people fail to realize, a triangle, the brabo etc can be done easier on big necked, big shouldered guys..their muscles help you tap them...try it

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Originally Posted by iceman

there are a whole series of chokes that are easier if the guy has big arms and a big neck, brabo, annaconda, figure 4 etc etc, leg locks and knee bars get ya big legs or toothpicks, the biggest challenge from Lesnar is getting past the powerful hands. that said, congrats the better fighter that night won. but submission proof becuase he's big? dude try practicing bjj...you will get another opinion.

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I never said he's 'submission-proofed' because he's big.I said it is tougher submitting a bigger arm or neck much more if your opponent is a wrestler.try some wrestling and you'll realized how much you pay attention to your arms.the elbows are used to stabilize and maintain position and the hands are often used to control the opponents wrist.unlike others,good wrestlers won't go crazy with their fists unless they are in a dominant postion..although it needs to be the strongest muscles (and of course,the core muscles )they are less cautious to their legs.I know Nog has excellent BJJ skils and in fact I even said it would be a much easier fight for him if he improves his wrestling.after all this is MMA.:p

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Originally Posted by iceman

i still think a lot of people fail to realize, a triangle, the brabo etc can be done easier on big necked, big shouldered guys..their muscles help you tap them...try it

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I am a judo BB,been a dan grade for 5 years,done well in some comps, been practicing BJJ now for a year, have 10 years combatives experience...i still find it tougher to get a frickin traingle on guys with big necks and big arms.....the issue is getting the sankaku-jime locked in and the lifting off the deck. If you get an arm it does make it easier to roll to the side to stop them from lifting up. In judo once you are off the deck the strangle/choke has to be released.

That said.. I've always had snags with triangle chokes lol, defo not one of my favourites and not my forte'...from the guard i'll always go for an arm.

But you are right mate

Well I have to say I have been very impressed with the progression of Brock. While I wouldn't call his striking "technical" I thought he mixed it up well and showed good timing and instincts. He showed control and patience which to me goes to an overall maturing as a fighter. He still needs some ground work. Randy's escape towards the end of the first round was pretty awesome, but Brock never should have let him back up. All this being said Brock brings a new combination of athleticism and size that we haven't seen at HW. I think outside of Fedor he is a pick em fight with just about anyone. I wouldn't be suprised if he beat Nog nor would I be suprised to see him pummel him for four rounds then get tapped out a la Nog's MO. I think the real question is how much more can Brock continue to progress and evolve. In all honesty the fighter I think would be the most telling against Brock is Barnett. I'd love to see this fight

Brock learned from his mistake... I was expecting to see Randy taking Brock to school but it seems age does takes it toll on warriors alike...:eek: