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there are moments that i thought kirkland will get dropped in this fight. good thing that vera doesnt have good mechanics in how to throw a punch and keep his balance, otherwise kirkland could have tasted the canvas there. he got caught with a lot of punches there and those were punches that have been thrown in succession. except if you're dazed, you shouldn't have to get hit by the same punch 3 times one after the other.
I could have put up more quotes from people picking him to loseQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
And I have never seen a guy destroy a guy the way he did to Vera and then have his performance picked apart as much as his has been the next day.
It was barely a fight,it was closer to abuse,again,he had a game plan and stuck to it,and it worked
Maybe Kirkland needs to leave Wolfe for a better trainer but he won't do it. It will take her being selfless and firing herself because the two have such a close relationship. They are two birds of a feather and it will take the teacher to realize she's taken the student as far as she can.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnAt this point in tim Angulo murders him IMO.....I was not overly impressed with Kirkland last night....Vera was like a heavybag in the ring and still even with his pitiful output on offense he was catching Kirkland with the straight rights....Yes Kirkland took them well but he was tired by rd 5 had his mouth open...He also did not take advantage of Vera's lack of output by using it as a chance to work on some things...Put together more combos etc......He at times showed some good head movement but again look what he was avoiding.....Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepI think he'd seriously struggle against Sergio Martinez, Alfredo Angulo, Paul Williams and even Vernon Forrest. I think he definately should be able to improve, his natural ability is undeniable and he has the "it" factor, but there are some serious flaws in his game. Fortunately for Kirkland everything that he lacks, are things that can be learned.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeleTuff
He has a future ahead of him but needs some more work on important things like defense and how to compose himself so he does not tire out...
IMO Anne Wolf will not be the trainer to bring him to the next level...Yes she has some unconventional methods of training that look to impress but all that and he was still fatigued by mid rounds??...Something wrong there IMO.....
We will see what happens but again IMO he is not ready for the upper tier anytime soon
That happens after every fight man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyI could have put up more quotes from people picking him to loseQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
And I have never seen a guy destroy a guy the way he did to Vera and then have his performance picked apart as much as his has been the next day.
It was barely a fight,it was closer to abuse,again,he had a game plan and stuck to it,and it worked
In this case its stupidQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheepThat happens after every fight man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyI could have put up more quotes from people picking him to loseQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
And I have never seen a guy destroy a guy the way he did to Vera and then have his performance picked apart as much as his has been the next day.
It was barely a fight,it was closer to abuse,again,he had a game plan and stuck to it,and it worked
He beat Vera's ass in,it wasnt much of a fight,as much as it was abuse.
If it had been tight or something I could see it, but it was never tight, Kirkland just beat the hell out of that boy.
And people are calling for him to leave Wolfe after a seriously decisive victory?
Oh do please
Are you saying fans have no right to judge performance? Or are you actually claiming that Vera was good?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyIn this case its stupidQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheepThat happens after every fight man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
He beat Vera's ass in,it wasnt much of a fight,as much as it was abuse.
If it had been tight or something I could see it, but it was never tight, Kirkland just beat the hell out of that boy.
And people are calling for him to leave Wolfe after a seriously decisive victory?
Oh do please
Trainer is right. There were people who thought Vera would win. RozzySean was one of them :o. I think I offered him a sig bet. I can't recall if he accepted it.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
I'm not arguing that nobody thought Vera would win, I'm just saying that the idea that "everybody" thought Vera was gonna win was off the charts crazy, obviously 25 out of 26 people is pretty solid.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratTrainer is right. There were people who thought Vera would win. RozzySean was one of them :o. I think I offered him a sig bet. I can't recall if he accepted it.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Kirkland is great to watch though but it will be his downfall, he's just too wild, he's gonna get clipped, its inevitable.
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Originally Posted by OumaFanI'm not arguing that nobody thought Vera would win, I'm just saying that the idea that "everybody" thought Vera was gonna win was off the charts crazy, obviously 25 out of 26 people is pretty solid.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratTrainer is right. There were people who thought Vera would win. RozzySean was one of them :o. I think I offered him a sig bet. I can't recall if he accepted it.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Kirkland is great to watch though but it will be his downfall, he's just too wild, he's gonna get clipped, its inevitable.
He just has to tighten up his defense and relax in the ring...IMO his being fatigued may have been more of him tryinmg too hard then anything....But either way with all that crap Wolfe does to increase stamina he should have been fresh throughout......
As for Vera.....
The guy is tough as nails and can take a hell of a shot but it will lead to a very short career
Daxx got it,he wasnt too wild at all,he was stiff and not wanting to screw up his network debut. He never varied from the game plan, but that also meant he took very few risks. He took exactly what Vera was giving him,and pounded it.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanI'm not arguing that nobody thought Vera would win, I'm just saying that the idea that "everybody" thought Vera was gonna win was off the charts crazy, obviously 25 out of 26 people is pretty solid.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratTrainer is right. There were people who thought Vera would win. RozzySean was one of them :o. I think I offered him a sig bet. I can't recall if he accepted it.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Kirkland is great to watch though but it will be his downfall, he's just too wild, he's gonna get clipped, its inevitable.
Give him a few more network fights and he'll find a middle ground between his stiff but effective performance against Vera,and his earlier free-wheeling style.Or he gets his head handed to him.
But regardless,he did win the fight,and win it easily,cut the kid an ounce of slack here.
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Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyDaxx got it,he wasnt too wild at all,he was stiff and not wanting to screw up his network debut. He never varied from the game plan, but that also meant he took very few risks. He took exactly what Vera was giving him,and pounded it.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanI'm not arguing that nobody thought Vera would win, I'm just saying that the idea that "everybody" thought Vera was gonna win was off the charts crazy, obviously 25 out of 26 people is pretty solid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Kirkland is great to watch though but it will be his downfall, he's just too wild, he's gonna get clipped, its inevitable.
Give him a few more network fights and he'll find a middle ground between his stiff but effective performance against Vera,and his earlier free-wheeling style.Or he gets his head handed to him.
But regardless,he did win the fight,and win it easily,cut the kid an ounce of slack here.
More of the problem is mate...Not that anyone is not wanting to give Kirkland credit for the win because it was a good one....Just that Vera did soo lousy that it seems almost unfair to give up too much credit to James....
When a fighter does as shitty as Vera did it becomes easier to criticize the winner for what he did not do to get the guy out of there or to look more stellar then just say..."Good Job"...........Kind of like..."With the way that guy fought he should not have even landed a glove..what's wrong with you"...
But that is not Kirklands fault....He had no idea on what Vera was going to come in and perform like......
On that same note we can ask ourselves ..."Did Vera perform like that because of what Kirland was giving him"...Which would add to James performance.....
Was a good win like I mentioned...he has a few adjustments to work on but he has time....No need to take away from his thunder....
Personally,I thought Vera would come in and impose his will,being the bigger fighter.Thats why Im giving Kirkland as much credit as I am,every time Vera tried that Kirkland allmost removed his head for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyDaxx got it,he wasnt too wild at all,he was stiff and not wanting to screw up his network debut. He never varied from the game plan, but that also meant he took very few risks. He took exactly what Vera was giving him,and pounded it.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Give him a few more network fights and he'll find a middle ground between his stiff but effective performance against Vera,and his earlier free-wheeling style.Or he gets his head handed to him.
But regardless,he did win the fight,and win it easily,cut the kid an ounce of slack here.
More of the problem is mate...Not that anyone is not wanting to give Kirkland credit for the win because it was a good one....Just that Vera did soo lousy that it seems almost unfair to give up too much credit to James....
When a fighter does as shitty as Vera did it becomes easier to criticize the winner for what he did not do to get the guy out of there or to look more stellar then just say..."Good Job"...........Kind of like..."With the way that guy fought he should not have even landed a glove..what's wrong with you"...
But that is not Kirklands fault....He had no idea on what Vera was going to come in and perform like......
On that same note we can ask ourselves ..."Did Vera perform like that because of what Kirland was giving him"...Which would add to James performance.....
Was a good win like I mentioned...he has a few adjustments to work on but he has time....No need to take away from his thunder....
He was stiff,and Im sure he understood the historic signifigance of the fight,and that made him tight.It was the first time a female trained boxer co-headlined an HBO event ever.But even fighting in robot-mode,he beat the hell out of Vera.
Credit to Vera for this,he took an amazing beating out there,and kept wanting to fight.
I have always said the same thing about Kirkland, I like him, he's fun to watch, I just think he's got a style that will fail him at points. So its not really a matter of cutting him slack, my opinion of him has been the same for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyDaxx got it,he wasnt too wild at all,he was stiff and not wanting to screw up his network debut. He never varied from the game plan, but that also meant he took very few risks. He took exactly what Vera was giving him,and pounded it.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanI'm not arguing that nobody thought Vera would win, I'm just saying that the idea that "everybody" thought Vera was gonna win was off the charts crazy, obviously 25 out of 26 people is pretty solid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Kirkland is great to watch though but it will be his downfall, he's just too wild, he's gonna get clipped, its inevitable.
Give him a few more network fights and he'll find a middle ground between his stiff but effective performance against Vera,and his earlier free-wheeling style.Or he gets his head handed to him.
But regardless,he did win the fight,and win it easily,cut the kid an ounce of slack here.
I was mainly just arguing the thing about Vera being a favorite, not Kirklaind's performance. He performed basically like I expected him too.