Re: Im Actually Rooting For DLH
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Originally Posted by
Mr140
You know miles you keep playing this hate card on Oscar and your saying he is palying it safe but your boy Calzaghe your favorite fighter played it safe in one of the weakest division in boxing for 10 years so i dont think you can praise one guy and get down on another who has fought better competion in his career as a whole just does not make sense why you do that i know your not dumb but ever thread same thing and well i mean what did you think of him fighting Roy jones jr because that was as big of a farce then this fight is with Oscar Dela Hoya why is it people hate a man with one of the best resume and has done so much for boxing dont get it is not the best fight but it while probably be bigger then any fight of late.
Well said. And lets not forget...even though he lost...Oscar went up past his limit to fight Bernard Hopkins. Oscar could fight a bunch of bozo's for his last several fights...and his resume is still just as good, if not better than any fighter in recent years. Don't get me wrong, the man is no angel...he is a business man and his facade can seem fake. But there has been very few, if any, fighters in history who have the kind of success in AND out the ring like Delahoya. That doesn't come from just being a pretty face...the man is smart and hardworking. I also go back to my original point...there is almost no fighter in the business today that wouldn't kill to be in Oscar's shoes. If that's a good thing or not...is a whole another story. But that's the reality of the business of boxing. Sure he generates tons of money for himself...but he also brings money and publicity to the sport AND his opposition. There is obviously WAY more people who like him, whatever the reason, than who do not like him. Otherwise he wouldn't still be the biggest name in boxing. So some of you might dislike him as a person or fighter...but don't hate on him for being successful and popular.
Re: Im Actually Rooting For DLH
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Chris Nagel
Sure Oscar's A-team costs a lot, but as I see it, it practically pays for itself giving people additional confidence in him, which probably translate into bigger receipts.
Training at Big Bear, chopping wood, and those guys that he has with him is nice and all, but how much of it is truly necessary? How much of it is just creating an image for himself so that more people will buy into this spectacle? Would you be any more surprised if you saw Delahoya chasing chickens in the next 24/7?
Realistically Delahoya just needs train hard to ensure that he's half-way decent condition and makes the weight. Everything else is just smiles for the camera.
Now obviously he has a good left hook, he has the size, and he showed against Mayweather that he's not blown away with fast hands. The only question on my mind is how's he going to handle a quick little guy like Pac who has the workrate that could give him problems. In sparring didn't he have trouble with smaller fighters that could match his workrate, take Valero and Ortiz for instance.
I think its really necessary at this point,he isnt fighting just fighting Pac anymore,he's also fighting time.
I only wished he'd showed this lock down mode earlier in his career. Lets face it,DLH spent most of his career taking his talent for granted,who knows what he could have been if he had trained for every fight this way?
Re: Im Actually Rooting For DLH
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by
Chris Nagel
Sure Oscar's A-team costs a lot, but as I see it, it practically pays for itself giving people additional confidence in him, which probably translate into bigger receipts.
Training at Big Bear, chopping wood, and those guys that he has with him is nice and all, but how much of it is truly necessary? How much of it is just creating an image for himself so that more people will buy into this spectacle? Would you be any more surprised if you saw Delahoya chasing chickens in the next 24/7?
Realistically Delahoya just needs train hard to ensure that he's half-way decent condition and makes the weight. Everything else is just smiles for the camera.
Now obviously he has a good left hook, he has the size, and he showed against Mayweather that he's not blown away with fast hands. The only question on my mind is how's he going to handle a quick little guy like Pac who has the workrate that could give him problems. In sparring didn't he have trouble with smaller fighters that could match his workrate, take Valero and Ortiz for instance.
I think its really necessary at this point,he isnt fighting just fighting Pac anymore,he's also fighting time.
I only wished he'd showed this lock down mode earlier in his career. Lets face it,DLH spent most of his career taking his talent for granted,who knows what he could have been if he had trained for every fight this way?
It'd surely have been a different story if had Oscar stuck it out with his old trainer Rivero, instead hooking up with every big name trainer. Combine that with hard work and Delahoya would have been a wrecking machine instead of a potential wreck waiting to happen.
I can see your point of view now, he is definately working his goldenboy ass off, and although getting his experts is may in part be a publicity move, it is also a smart move.
Re: Im Actually Rooting For DLH
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Originally Posted by
Chris Nagel
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by
Chris Nagel
Sure Oscar's A-team costs a lot, but as I see it, it practically pays for itself giving people additional confidence in him, which probably translate into bigger receipts.
Training at Big Bear, chopping wood, and those guys that he has with him is nice and all, but how much of it is truly necessary? How much of it is just creating an image for himself so that more people will buy into this spectacle? Would you be any more surprised if you saw Delahoya chasing chickens in the next 24/7?
Realistically Delahoya just needs train hard to ensure that he's half-way decent condition and makes the weight. Everything else is just smiles for the camera.
Now obviously he has a good left hook, he has the size, and he showed against Mayweather that he's not blown away with fast hands. The only question on my mind is how's he going to handle a quick little guy like Pac who has the workrate that could give him problems. In sparring didn't he have trouble with smaller fighters that could match his workrate, take Valero and Ortiz for instance.
I think its really necessary at this point,he isnt fighting just fighting Pac anymore,he's also fighting time.
I only wished he'd showed this lock down mode earlier in his career. Lets face it,DLH spent most of his career taking his talent for granted,who knows what he could have been if he had trained for every fight this way?
It'd surely have been a different story if had Oscar stuck it out with his old trainer Rivero, instead hooking up with every big name trainer. Combine that with hard work and Delahoya would have been a wrecking machine instead of a potential wreck waiting to happen.
I can see your point of view now, he is definately working his goldenboy ass off, and although getting his experts is may in part be a publicity move, it is also a smart move.
Its honestly the first time I can see him treating a fight like its do or die time. Im used to Oscar constantly flashing those pearly whites and hoping to get by on raw talent.
Maybe its Dundee and Nacho getting under his skin,maybe its that he can see the end of his road ahead,but for the first time in his career,he's making me feel like he's taking this fight very seriously.
My biggest question,is it just too late
Re: Im Actually Rooting For DLH
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by
Chris Nagel
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
I think its really necessary at this point,he isnt fighting just fighting Pac anymore,he's also fighting time.
I only wished he'd showed this lock down mode earlier in his career. Lets face it,DLH spent most of his career taking his talent for granted,who knows what he could have been if he had trained for every fight this way?
It'd surely have been a different story if had Oscar stuck it out with his old trainer Rivero, instead hooking up with every big name trainer. Combine that with hard work and Delahoya would have been a wrecking machine instead of a potential wreck waiting to happen.
I can see your point of view now, he is definately working his goldenboy ass off, and although getting his experts is may in part be a publicity move, it is also a smart move.
Its honestly the first time I can see him treating a fight like its do or die time. Im used to Oscar constantly flashing those pearly whites and hoping to get by on raw talent.
Maybe its Dundee and Nacho getting under his skin,maybe its that he can see the end of his road ahead,but for the first time in his career,he's making me feel like he's taking this fight very seriously.
My biggest question,is it just too late
It very well could be too late. Hard to say. One thing i have to say...i like Nacho as a trainer. I think this is the best trainer he has had in years. For all of his flash, i was never a Mayweather Snr. fan and i am not impressed by Roach either. Will Nacho at this stage of his career make a difference...we shall see. Who knows...Oscar might go right back to Mayweather after this fight. But Nacho has a great combination of old school work ethic, smart boxing mind, and great reputation. As for this fight itself. Oscar has the size and skill advantage. My question is...will he use that jab and overall skill early to set Pac up for those big left hooks. Or will he try and unload like crazy like he did for most the Mayweather fight. Oscar should win this fight. If Pac pulls off the huge upset...my hats off to him. But if Oscar is focused, in shape, and fights smart...he has no business losing this fight (despite his age and Pac's big heart and great speed).
Re: Im Actually Rooting For DLH
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
Its honestly the first time I can see him treating a fight like its do or die time. Im used to Oscar constantly flashing those pearly whites and hoping to get by on raw talent.
Maybe its Dundee and Nacho getting under his skin,maybe its that he can see the end of his road ahead,but for the first time in his career,he's making me feel like he's taking this fight very seriously.
My biggest question,is it just too late
It's more likely just a special circumstance for this fight, than it is defining moment in his career. Delahoya is still giving the same talk as he did with Vargas, Mayorga, Mayweather, ad nauseum, but at least things are a little different now.
It's nice to know that Delahoya's heart is in it, but like any time of anticipation, we'll have to see how it all turns out.
Re: Im Actually Rooting For DLH
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zhubin
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by
Chris Nagel
It'd surely have been a different story if had Oscar stuck it out with his old trainer Rivero, instead hooking up with every big name trainer. Combine that with hard work and Delahoya would have been a wrecking machine instead of a potential wreck waiting to happen.
I can see your point of view now, he is definately working his goldenboy ass off, and although getting his experts is may in part be a publicity move, it is also a smart move.
Its honestly the first time I can see him treating a fight like its do or die time. Im used to Oscar constantly flashing those pearly whites and hoping to get by on raw talent.
Maybe its Dundee and Nacho getting under his skin,maybe its that he can see the end of his road ahead,but for the first time in his career,he's making me feel like he's taking this fight very seriously.
My biggest question,is it just too late
It very well could be too late. Hard to say. One thing i have to say...i like Nacho as a trainer. I think this is the best trainer he has had in years. For all of his flash, i was never a Mayweather Snr. fan and i am not impressed by Roach either. Will Nacho at this stage of his career make a difference...we shall see. Who knows...Oscar might go right back to Mayweather after this fight. But Nacho has a great combination of old school work ethic, smart boxing mind, and great reputation. As for this fight itself. Oscar has the size and skill advantage. My question is...will he use that jab and overall skill early to set Pac up for those big left hooks. Or will he try and unload like crazy like he did for most the Mayweather fight. Oscar should win this fight. If Pac pulls off the huge upset...my hats off to him. But if Oscar is focused, in shape, and fights smart...he has no business losing this fight (despite his age and Pac's big heart and great speed).
If Manny whups him,absolutely all credit where its due,and good on the PacMan,I just got a niggling of a suspicion that Oscar isnt blowing this one off for a change
Re: Im Actually Rooting For DLH
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Originally Posted by
Mr140
You know miles you keep playing this hate card on Oscar and your saying he is palying it safe but your boy Calzaghe your favorite fighter played it safe in one of the weakest division in boxing for 10 years so i dont think you can praise one guy and get down on another who has fought better competion in his career as a whole just does not make sense why you do that i know your not dumb but ever thread same thing and well i mean what did you think of him fighting Roy jones jr because that was as big of a farce then this fight is with Oscar Dela Hoya why is it people hate a man with one of the best resume and has done so much for boxing dont get it is not the best fight but it while probably be bigger then any fight of late.
Don't take me too seriously with the whole Oscar thing. I do dislike him, just something about him that grates and doesnt ring true. You cannot admire and repsect every fighter. I watched that 24/7 episode and he's talking about how when he runs he thinks about his family and this gives him "the power". He says such corny things.
I can appreciate the scale that DLH brings and I do think he has some very good wins on his resume. But I do think DLH has been pretty rubbish for the last five years. I think Sturm did enough to beat him too. So Oscar has beaten Forbes and Mayorga in half a decade. Admittedly, he has been fighting top level fighters. But he keeps on falling short, and people want to see him keep trying? I just think its getting a bit trying. And to want to make a fight with Pacquiao reeks of desperation. Oscar just isnt relevant to boxing anymore. A win over Pac means nothing, but it does mean Oscar is that much richer. And that is the only motivation I can see here. Its certainly not about legacy or significant new challenges.
You make a fair point regarding Calzaghe. I wish he had stepped it up earlier. He has always had the skills to beat anybody. I was certainly critical when the fight with Jones Jr was made and I most definitely did some complaining way back when the Manfredo fight was made. Calzaghe has fought plenty of bums and his share of fighters that had perhaps seen better days. I wont deny that. My only defence is that he beat them all and when he has stepped it up, he has done it pretty impressively. He didnt just beat Jones Jr. he took every round after the first. Wonderful fighter to watch.
I dont like DLH and hope he gets beaten. He usually does these days anyway!! ;D:p
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I hope Pac knocks DLH on his ass... stands over him... and calls him his bitch.
Re: Im Actually Rooting For DLH
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Originally Posted by
zhubin
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by
Chris Nagel
It'd surely have been a different story if had Oscar stuck it out with his old trainer Rivero, instead hooking up with every big name trainer. Combine that with hard work and Delahoya would have been a wrecking machine instead of a potential wreck waiting to happen.
I can see your point of view now, he is definately working his goldenboy ass off, and although getting his experts is may in part be a publicity move, it is also a smart move.
Its honestly the first time I can see him treating a fight like its do or die time. Im used to Oscar constantly flashing those pearly whites and hoping to get by on raw talent.
Maybe its Dundee and Nacho getting under his skin,maybe its that he can see the end of his road ahead,but for the first time in his career,he's making me feel like he's taking this fight very seriously.
My biggest question,is it just too late
It very well could be too late. Hard to say. One thing i have to say...i like Nacho as a trainer. I think this is the best trainer he has had in years. For all of his flash, i was never a Mayweather Snr. fan and i am not impressed by Roach either. Will Nacho at this stage of his career make a difference...we shall see. Who knows...Oscar might go right back to Mayweather after this fight. But Nacho has a great combination of old school work ethic, smart boxing mind, and great reputation. As for this fight itself. Oscar has the size and skill advantage. My question is...will he use that jab and overall skill early to set Pac up for those big left hooks. Or will he try and unload like crazy like he did for most the Mayweather fight. Oscar should win this fight. If Pac pulls off the huge upset...my hats off to him. But if Oscar is focused, in shape, and fights smart...he has no business losing this fight (despite his age and Pac's big heart and great speed).
If you were going to go old school,you couldnt go more old school then bringing in Nacho and Dundee. I almost choked when I heard he'd brought in Dundee. And you can tell these guys are consummate pros,because all the reports out of Oscars camp is everything is going smoothly. If you tried to have McGirt and Roach in the same camp, they wouldnt be able to move for stepping on each others toes.
Re: Im Actually Rooting For DLH
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Trainer Monkey
I want this clear,I NEVER root for DLH, ever.
But this time out of the gate he's doing everything Id want to see to make me think he's dead serious about this fight.
Dundee is costing him a serious penny alone
Nacho dont work for free either
And theres nothing to do in Big Bear but ski or train
;D
Is that a joke?
Oscar is only worth about a billion quid. ;D
And Dundee was probably brought in to pad out the 24/7 program ;)
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Fenster
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
I want this clear,I NEVER root for DLH, ever.
But this time out of the gate he's doing everything Id want to see to make me think he's dead serious about this fight.
Dundee is costing him a serious penny alone
Nacho dont work for free either
And theres nothing to do in Big Bear but ski or train
;D
Is that a joke?
Oscar is only worth about a billion quid. ;D
And Dundee was probably brought in to pad out the 24/7 program ;)
Theres an old commercial for a wine
"And how do you think I got so rich?"
It wasnt from throwing money at the wall
Re: Im Actually Rooting For DLH
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
I want this clear,I NEVER root for DLH, ever.
But this time out of the gate he's doing everything Id want to see to make me think he's dead serious about this fight.
Dundee is costing him a serious penny alone
Nacho dont work for free either
And theres nothing to do in Big Bear but ski or train
;D
Is that a joke?
Oscar is only worth about a billion quid. ;D
And Dundee was probably brought in to pad out the 24/7 program ;)
Theres an old commercial for a wine
"And how do you think I got so rich?"
It wasnt from throwing money at the wall
Yes.
But Oscar is hardly in a position to worry about a few hundred thousand dollars, is he? Especially when he would be HUMILIATED losing to such a small guy.
Beristain is JM Marquez trainer, a fighter that has arguably BEATEN Pac twice, so not hard to work out why Oscar picked him. And as i said, Dundee is probably as much to do with HBO for the 24/7 show. ;)
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
;D
Is that a joke?
Oscar is only worth about a billion quid. ;D
And Dundee was probably brought in to pad out the 24/7 program ;)
Theres an old commercial for a wine
"And how do you think I got so rich?"
It wasnt from throwing money at the wall
Yes.
But Oscar is hardly in a position to worry about a few hundred thousand dollars, is he? Especially when he would be HUMILIATED losing to such a small guy.
Beristain is JM Marquez trainer, a fighter that has arguably BEATEN Pac twice, so not hard to work out why Oscar picked him. And as i said, Dundee is probably as much to do with HBO for the 24/7 show. ;)
What Im hearing is Dundee is actually working him
Re: Im Actually Rooting For DLH
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
Theres an old commercial for a wine
"And how do you think I got so rich?"
It wasnt from throwing money at the wall
Yes.
But Oscar is hardly in a position to worry about a few hundred thousand dollars, is he? Especially when he would be HUMILIATED losing to such a small guy.
Beristain is JM Marquez trainer, a fighter that has arguably BEATEN Pac twice, so not hard to work out why Oscar picked him. And as i said, Dundee is probably as much to do with HBO for the 24/7 show. ;)
What Im hearing is Dundee is actually working him
Working him at what? Dundee is what, 90?
In the 24/7 show Dundee was there as a "consultant" ;)
