Re: Boxing and brain damage.
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Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
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Originally Posted by
DaxxKahn
The whole object of the sport of Boxing and MMA is not to inflict brain damage...anyone who thinks so has no REAL understanding of the sport...They have simply an urge to see someone permenatly injured and that is an issue of their own.....
Sure everyone likes to see a KO but no one wants to see someone injured severly.....Brain Damage from long term just happens to be a side effect that goes along with being hit so often...the body is a machine and like any machine it can only take so much....Athletes that take better care of themselves deal with it better...
In FACT most NHL hocky players recieve harder hits that cause more damage to the head then the average KO punch....It is often rare that a KO punch in itself has any long lasting effects...there is usually some sort of damage already in place prior if that does happen
The sport of Boxing is one that proves the better man/woman, it is one that shows skill and how hard a person has worked in perfecting their craft...it shows who is physically able to bring their body and reflexes to the greater point.....It is not to cause brain damage on your opponent....
In MMA most genuine fans of the sport and not the casual armchair fan appreciate a well executed submission just as much if not more in most cases
A KO means a concussion, which is brain damage, and a KO is the main goal of boxing. There is no better win in the eyes of the fans than a KO.
Yes boxing shows how hard a person has worked to hone their skill and reflexes, but why do they do it? To be better prepared to KO or incapacitate another human being.
You say hockey players often take bigger hits (and in some cases maybe they do, the Lindros bros in particular have had bad concussion-riden pasts), but how many former NHL'ers do you see with slurred speech, or that can't dress themselves when they hit 55? How many NHLers do you see die on the ice from a head injury? Boxing has the stats to prove how dangerous and brutal it is.
The amount of force the average Hocky Player takes from a hit during an NHL game is beyond what a Pro boxer recieves from a punch...
TESTED...MEASURED...RESULTS RECORDED...FACT!!!!!!!
Before you start trying to act like you know something do yourself a favor and do some research before you make a fool of yourself.....
A Hocky Player on the tail end of a full body check gets hit bwith a lot more then just a punch they absorb the full weight of a 200lb man coming at them 5-10 miles an hour....That much with out anything more is common sense..
They takje less shots then the average fighter certainly by far but if you compare the 2 blows one is much harder whn measuring power wise....
Also since you write without reading everything I do remember mentioning in one of my post about long term effects from a massive amount of blows not just one or two concussions being more dangerous..
Since you feel that everything remains around the KO then explain to us all fight DR how it is guys like Pernell who only suffered 1 KO loss or better yet Hector Camacho who has NEVER been KO'd....and he has brain damage
Re: Boxing and brain damage.
I got curious so I did some research,the leader in sports related deaths...........
Wait for it..............
Wait for it.............
Bicycling
Somebody get me my lawyer on the line,Im suing the hell out of Schwin and Huffy
Re: Boxing and brain damage.
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
I got curious so I did some research,the leader in sports related deaths...........
Wait for it..............
Wait for it.............
Bicycling
Somebody get me my lawyer on the line,Im suing the hell out of Schwin and Huffy
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Re: Boxing and brain damage.
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
I got curious so I did some research,the leader in sports related deaths...........
Wait for it..............
Wait for it.............
Bicycling
Somebody get me my lawyer on the line,Im suing the hell out of Schwin and Huffy
Are you talking cycling as a competitive organized sport, or cycling in general including sport and recreational pastime? You have a link to support this? Thanks.
Re: Boxing and brain damage.
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Originally Posted by
CGM
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
I got curious so I did some research,the leader in sports related deaths...........
Wait for it..............
Wait for it.............
Bicycling
Somebody get me my lawyer on the line,Im suing the hell out of Schwin and Huffy
Are you talking cycling as a competitive organized sport, or cycling in general including recreational pastime? You have a link to support this? Thanks.
Id have to look it up again,but if you run a google search using Sport Related Deaths,you'll end up finding both the links I found,theyre relatively dry stats to read through. Bicycling is also the leader in juvenile injuries.
Though for juvenile trips to the emergency room, I was surprised to see that basketball was really high up there,I didnt expect that.
Wait I still had it in my google bar so I looked it up again
Heres one
Sports Injury Statistics - My Child Has - Children's Hospital Boston
Heres another
Sport Injuries and Injury Statistics
There are more links,but my ass is way to lazy to keep digging again
Re: Boxing and brain damage.
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Originally Posted by
DaxxKahn
The amount of force the average Hocky Player takes from a hit during an NHL game is beyond what a Pro boxer recieves from a punch...
TESTED...MEASURED...RESULTS RECORDED...FACT!!!!!!!
Before you start trying to act like you know something do yourself a favor and do some research before you make a fool of yourself.....
A Hocky Player on the tail end of a full body check gets hit bwith a lot more then just a punch they absorb the full weight of a 200lb man coming at them 5-10 miles an hour....That much with out anything more is common sense..
They takje less shots then the average fighter certainly by far but if you compare the 2 blows one is much harder whn measuring power wise....
Also since you write without reading everything I do remember mentioning in one of my post about long term effects from a massive amount of blows not just one or two concussions being more dangerous..
Since you feel that everything remains around the KO then explain to us all fight DR how it is guys like Pernell who only suffered 1 KO loss or better yet Hector Camacho who has NEVER been KO'd....and he has brain damage
I figured I'd have to defend my position, I just didn't know it would be this easy. I figured someone would at least put some thought into a reply, so let me break it down slowly so that you can understand.
YES, a hockey check exerts more pressure than a punch. But where is the pressure exerted? TO THE HOCKEY PLAYER'S BODY. Its mostly shoulder to shoulder/chest impact. On the odd occaision where a shoulder catches a chin, the results are disasterous, YES. But the majority of checks are body to body, therefore THE BODY obsorbs the majority of the blow.
Think about it: Earnie Shavers punches me in the arm, and Oscar de la Hoya punches you in the head. Obviously Earnie's punch will exert much more pressure, but my body is obsorbing the blow, whereas your head is obsorbing Oscar's blow. I took a harder blow, but you're going to be the one spelling his name with an "894" for the rest of his life. Understand?
And where did I mention EVERYTHING is about the KO? Re-read my post. I didn't. I said a KO equals a concussion, which by definition equals damage to your brain. I did not say that was the only way to damage your brain. I am well aware that subconcussive blows are also incredibly damaging. I have no idea why you brought this up, because it only adds to my arguement.
Re: Boxing and brain damage.
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
Id have to look it up again,but if you run a google search using Sport Related Deaths,you'll end up finding both the links I found,theyre relatively dry stats to read through. Bicycling is also the leader in juvenile injuries.
Though for juvenile trips to the emergency room, I was surprised to see that basketball was really high up there,I didnt expect that.
Wait I still had it in my google bar so I looked it up again
Heres one
Sports Injury Statistics - My Child Has - Children's Hospital Boston
Heres another
Sport Injuries and Injury Statistics
There are more links,but my ass is way to lazy to keep digging again
Trips to the emergency room stats are irrelevant IMO. Its niave to compare injuries that can be repaired, such as a broken limb, to irrepairable, irreversible brain damage.
Re: Boxing and brain damage.
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Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
Quote:
Originally Posted by
DaxxKahn
The amount of force the average Hocky Player takes from a hit during an NHL game is beyond what a Pro boxer recieves from a punch...
TESTED...MEASURED...RESULTS RECORDED...FACT!!!!!!!
Before you start trying to act like you know something do yourself a favor and do some research before you make a fool of yourself.....
A Hocky Player on the tail end of a full body check gets hit bwith a lot more then just a punch they absorb the full weight of a 200lb man coming at them 5-10 miles an hour....That much with out anything more is common sense..
They takje less shots then the average fighter certainly by far but if you compare the 2 blows one is much harder whn measuring power wise....
Also since you write without reading everything I do remember mentioning in one of my post about long term effects from a massive amount of blows not just one or two concussions being more dangerous..
Since you feel that everything remains around the KO then explain to us all fight DR how it is guys like Pernell who only suffered 1 KO loss or better yet Hector Camacho who has NEVER been KO'd....and he has brain damage
I figured I'd have to defend my position, I just didn't know it would be this easy. I figured someone would at least put some thought into a reply, so let me break it down slowly so that you can understand.
YES, a hockey check exerts more pressure than a punch. But where is the pressure exerted? TO THE HOCKEY PLAYER'S BODY. Its mostly shoulder to shoulder/chest impact. On the odd occaision where a shoulder catches a chin, the results are disasterous, YES. But the majority of checks are body to body, therefore THE BODY obsorbs the majority of the blow.
Think about it: Earnie Shavers punches me in the arm, and Oscar de la Hoya punches you in the head. Obviously Earnie's punch will exert much more pressure, but my body is obsorbing the blow, whereas your head is obsorbing Oscar's blow. I took a harder blow, but you're going to be the one spelling his name with an "894" for the rest of his life. Understand?
And where did I mention EVERYTHING is about the KO? Re-read my post. I didn't. I said a KO equals a concussion, which by definition equals damage to your brain. I did not say that was the only way to damage your brain. I am well aware that subconcussive blows are also incredibly damaging. I have no idea why you brought this up, because it only adds to my arguement.
Even then your argument is flawed,you take 3 straight KO's your on indefinite suspension until you have your noggin examined.
You take three concussions in hockey,or football,they just see when your ready to come back
Re: Boxing and brain damage.
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Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
Id have to look it up again,but if you run a google search using Sport Related Deaths,you'll end up finding both the links I found,theyre relatively dry stats to read through. Bicycling is also the leader in juvenile injuries.
Though for juvenile trips to the emergency room, I was surprised to see that basketball was really high up there,I didnt expect that.
Wait I still had it in my google bar so I looked it up again
Heres one
Sports Injury Statistics - My Child Has - Children's Hospital Boston
Heres another
Sport Injuries and Injury Statistics
There are more links,but my ass is way to lazy to keep digging again
Trips to the emergency room stats are irrelevant IMO. Its niave to compare injuries that can be repaired, such as a broken limb, to irrepairable, irreversible brain damage.
Yeah hang out with my arthritis and tell me that
Re: Boxing and brain damage.
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by
CGM
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
I got curious so I did some research,the leader in sports related deaths...........
Wait for it..............
Wait for it.............
Bicycling
Somebody get me my lawyer on the line,Im suing the hell out of Schwin and Huffy
Are you talking cycling as a competitive organized sport, or cycling in general including recreational pastime? You have a link to support this? Thanks.
Id have to look it up again,but if you run a google search using Sport Related Deaths,you'll end up finding both the links I found,theyre relatively dry stats to read through. Bicycling is also the leader in juvenile injuries.
Though for juvenile trips to the emergency room, I was surprised to see that basketball was really high up there,I didnt expect that.
Wait I still had it in my google bar so I looked it up again
Heres one
Sports Injury Statistics - My Child Has - Children's Hospital Boston
Heres another
Sport Injuries and Injury Statistics
There are more links,but my ass is way to lazy to keep digging again
Yeah, I am also too lazy to spend a lot of time looking. I'd be surprised if we are talking about just competitive bicycle racing. But a high death rate in recreational cycling that wouldn't surprise me, as there is a somewhat higher risk of getting hit by a car while cycling, than in the boxing ring. I'd also say the participation numbers are much lower for boxing.
A quick bit research seems to indicate that the most common sports related cause of death is cardiac arrest, which can happen in any sport. The numbers are surprisingly high for young people and cardiac arrest.
Re: Boxing and brain damage.
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
Yeah hang out with my arthritis and tell me that
You're going to compare some joint pain to not being able to dress yourself? Dont be so foolish
Re: Boxing and brain damage.
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Originally Posted by
CGM
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by
CGM
Are you talking cycling as a competitive organized sport, or cycling in general including recreational pastime? You have a link to support this? Thanks.
Id have to look it up again,but if you run a google search using Sport Related Deaths,you'll end up finding both the links I found,theyre relatively dry stats to read through. Bicycling is also the leader in juvenile injuries.
Though for juvenile trips to the emergency room, I was surprised to see that basketball was really high up there,I didnt expect that.
Wait I still had it in my google bar so I looked it up again
Heres one
Sports Injury Statistics - My Child Has - Children's Hospital Boston
Heres another
Sport Injuries and Injury Statistics
There are more links,but my ass is way to lazy to keep digging again
Yeah, I am also too lazy to spend a lot of time looking. I'd be surprised if we are talking about just competitive bicycle racing. But recreational cycling that wouldn't surprise me, as there is a somewhat higher risk of getting hit by a car while cycling, than in the boxing ring. I'd also say the participation numbers are much lower for boxing.
A quick bit research seems to indicate that the most common sports related cause of death is cardiac arrest, which can happen in any sport. The numbers are surprisingly high for young people and cardiac arrest.
I know a few guys have snuffed it doing the Tour De France,apparantly theres one pass thats just a death trap if you screw up.
I was kind of surprised by the stats, I was expecting Football to be the hands down winner,I didnt expect bicycling and basketball to be that high on the list.
Goes to show,you dont allways know what you think you know
Re: Boxing and brain damage.
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Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
Yeah hang out with my arthritis and tell me that
You're going to compare some joint pain to not being able to dress yourself? Dont be so foolish
What does extreme joint pain create, a situation where you cant dress yourself,or get out of bed,or walk,or do much of damn nigh anything
Dont be foolish
Re: Boxing and brain damage.
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
Even then your argument is flawed,you take 3 straight KO's your on indefinite suspension until you have your noggin examined.
You take three concussions in hockey,or football,they just see when your ready to come back
I don't know where you're getting your information you're using (thin air I would imagine), but these big league teams have trainers and physicians on hand for the athletes, so if you have ONE concussion, you get examined and you're cleared when you're better. They don't wait for you to get knocked out 3 times in a row to pay attention to your health. These leagues take care not to tarnish their reputations so there is a lot more emphasis on safety.
Also, when a player is injured often (particularily with concussions), he becomes a liability and often finds his work options limited (look at Eric Lindros). I'm not saying these big league owners are saints, but its a far cry from letting 45 year old Holyfield, a guy 12 years removed from his prime, get into the ring and fight world champs. Or letting a guy with BLATANT signs of brain damage in 41 year old Riddick Bowe fight on the undercard of a world championship fight.
Re: Boxing and brain damage.
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
What does extreme joint pain create, a situation where you cant dress yourself,or get out of bed,or walk,or do much of damn nigh anything
Dont be foolish
Not a pleasant state, but there are drugs and treatments you can take to alleviate the pain and improve movement in the joints.
Too bad there are no drugs that can give Gerald McClellan back his sight and ability to walk.
Don't be an idiot, comparing yourself to these brain damaged warriors is incredibly idiotic.
