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Originally Posted by Chino
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"Fast southpaw Zab Judah had early success in his fight with PBF... I think PAC can duplicate that and sustain it to the later rounds..."
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It will be interesting which matchup ends up happening for Pac next: Mayweather or Hatton. Hatton is the easier and potentially more exciting fight for Manny. The Mayweather fight would be a stiffer challenge and more interesting fight. Floyd is as smart, skilled, and fast a fighter as anyone in the sport. He also posseses the best defense of any fighter. Floyd is also incredibly well conditioned...so he will not fade and will have energy to dance around the ring for 12 rounds. Also, Floyd has proven that all out pressure fights against him wont work. Manny has certainly developed more to his arsenal than just offense...but he would have to be tactically at his very best to beat Floyd. Floyd, however, has not been very active recently...so he to would have to be sharp as ever to beat a physically imposing fighter like Pac. If i had to pick the winner, i would pick Floyd...because of Mayweather's smarts, skills, and equally fast hands and feet.
Mayweather by a close UD. Floyd has the best defense but I think his offense would win this one for him. Pac's left lead is just undefendable and Floyd's defense I think is vulnerable with that punch. his left arm is way down on his belly. I think Pac wins the early rounds being the aggresor throwing and connecting more punches but Floyd is to smart not to adjust and he would be more offensive. A think Pac would go down flash at the middle of the fight. that would be the fight's turning point. Again, Floyd wins by UD but it should be very close.
Same thing. Even if we heard that Klitschko went down on weight and Pac went up to face each other I just can't see Pac fans going "No way Pac wins that one" specially now after beating A GREAT regardless of him being old, worned-out, drained, far from his prime, etc.Quote:
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Mayweather by TKO juzz like Hatton. Mayweather's speed compares to none. #1 P4P before retirement.
LOL. I know you're a hater Chino. You just can't admit it.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
Then you'd say, "I don't hate PAc... I Just hate his pac fans....."
You know we are decent and would always be decent regarding our love for Pac. You're putting us in a bad picture always as if we're crazy about Pac. I just know that you're still hating us after you were proven wrong with your predictions against our country man.
LOL. Grow old Chino. Reading your posts makes me conclude that you're a hater. I know you're mexican and you would always support your fighter just as we do. PAcquaio KOed Marquez how many times and it seems you're forgetting that. First fight was a draw and the second fight clearly goes to Pac. Let it be that way coz that's how it was judged.
Don't be a cry baby calling the DLH-Pac fight a mismatch in favor of Pac coz majority of us here was calling it a mismatch in favor of ODLH.
Can't you see my sigi? It was because I had a bet with Danny and I chose DLH to win that fight.... and I am the #1 pac fan here.
i dont think Chino is a hater i seen him post some good points before but he just likes his mexican fighter and can u blame him theres like 3-4 on the p4p lists. Now Moono is a hater.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeLOL. I know you're a hater Chino. You just can't admit it.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
..... and please stop generalizing us Pac fans coz you're a pac hater and you can't deny that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
Pacs win over ODLH was a great achievment, it is almost ridiculous that a guy who started at 109 and fought at 130 only a few months ago could beat an ATG at 147 and a former alphabet 160 champ. It is arguably the best win of the last few years on paper. But in reality maybe it is not. I like Pac as a fighter, he is clearly the number 1 P4P active fighter at the moment. But if im being honest after watching the fight ODLH had nothing. In fact i think any 147 fighter in the top 20 could have fought better than him, especially a young hungry guy. I think guys like Judah, Quintana, even Alfonso Gomez could have done as well as Oscar. Atleast they would have fought back a little and maybe attempted to use their size to rough up Pac a little.
I guess what im trying to say is that Pac's win altho great is not maybe as good as it seems on paper. In fact i think his last win over JMM is more impressive. His wins over Morales and Barrera were too.
Just cos he beat DLH dont mean he'll beat Floyd or even really have any greater chance than he did before. I think his best chance is if PBF has become rusty, or takes him too easy. If he did fight Hatton first and beat him then I may become a little nervous in my prediction.;)
But for now i think if Pac and PBF fought in the next year or so FLoyd would win a close tactical UD. If im wrong i wont mind and i'll be happy to eat my words.
i'm actually going with pac. just want to sway the odds in pbf's favor. ;D
really, it they fight next pbf would be at a disadvantage after being laid off for quite some time, and i'm sure pac's camp would ask for the fight at a catchweight surely not at 147lbs.
And why would I pick against PAC? PAC haven't lost for a long time even with the increasing risks, increasing weight and bigger challenges in every next fight. PAC getting used to it, he has the momentum, he's the man right now. Why would I pick against him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
You know, I'm really thinking PBF will be in a big surprise. PAC is a very fast southpaw boxer with a great stamina...
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Saying things that a fan wouldn't dare himself saying doesn't make me a hater. Does it make me a hater when I said I had my doubts about ODLH vs Pac? Does it make me a hater when I say that I am not so sure about ODLH decision with Sturm? People DO HATE ODLH around here and outside when no matter what he does people will bitch about. Now that is hate.Quote:
LOL. I know you're a hater Chino. You just can't admit it.
That's right but you seem to get a bit sensitive and skip those parts where I talk about how he keeps on improving on every fight, how he brings action to the ring, how he's not anymore the guy that only had a charging straight left and that was it, how I like Pac not being a trash talker. I have also mentioned how it sucks that he has beaten some Mexicans before (except Marquez) but it doesn't suck AS MUCH since, well, it's Pac! And he doesn't go on trash talking like others. And yes, I have mentioned that I would like to see him loose just to see how his fans react as much as I wanted to see ODLH loose just to see how HBO would react since I felt that sometimes HBO worshipped him.Quote:
Then you'd say, "I don't hate PAc... I Just hate his pac fans....."
My prediction was not as bad. Instead of getting all excited about his fight against Forbes, just like Pac fans got excited about Pac vs Diaz, I said that I was not impressed and also that if a guy that is not known for having a KO punches damaged Oscar's face then Pac would be a greater threat and so on. Yes, I like ODLH but I won't have any problems talking about things I dislike about him unlike Pac or Cotto fans who can't seem to accept negative comments about their guy. There's only like one or two guys in this forum who are not only Pac fans but also Phillipino who have their doubts about Pac's decisions vs Marquez.Quote:
You know we are decent and would always be decent regarding our love for Pac. You're putting us in a bad picture always as if we're crazy about Pac. I just know that you're still hating us after you were proven wrong with your predictions against our country man.
Am I supposed to praise Pac blindly like you? Someone else needs to grow up then. It's just simple stuff. Just tell me, was ODLH young and in his complete prime? Was Ali in his prime when he lost against Berbick? Was Leonard in his prime when he lost against Norris or Camacho? Was Tyson in his prime when he lost against McBride? Imagine if all those fights were done at least 5 years earlier. That is not hating or being immature. That's just what happens when a boxer stays in the ring longer than they should. And let me tell you, ODLH got a taste of his own medicine. Fought JC Chavez in the same situation he fought Pac. But what can be even more funny (see, I have no problem saying something negative about a boxer I LIKE AND SUPPORT) is that I somehow feel he wanted to retire from boxing with a "big victory" and therefore decided to "play it safe" by fighting someone who could bring some PPV demand, big crowds, etc. But who was smaller at the same time and not a big threat and look what happens. I would be a bit embarrassed by the loss really. Not only to my fans but also to my whole team and promoters. See? I like ODLH and all but I don't blind myself from seeing stuff like that. Can't believe you blind yourself from seeing something as simple as ODLH being worned out, not in his prime, drained, etc. I'll put it this way, EVEN PAC AND HIS TEAM KNEW ABOUT IT and they mentioned it in interviews, 24/7 show, etc. Did you miss that part?...far from hate dude.Quote:
LOL. Grow old Chino.
The difference is that I don't blind myself from their mistakes or flaws.Quote:
I know you're mexican and you would always support your fighter just as we do
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PAcquaio KOed Marquez how many times and it seems you're forgetting that. First fight was a draw and the second fight clearly goes to Pac. Let it be that way coz that's how it was judged.
Then if that is the way it was judged than we can agree that Chavez and Holyfield totally deserve their "Tie" decision, right? I totally support JC Chavez and here I am doubting his decision vs Whitaker.
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And why would I pick against PAC? PAC haven't lost for a long time even with the increasing risks, increasing weight and bigger challenges in every next fight. PAC getting used to it, he has the momentum, he's the man right now. Why would I pick against him?
So you do see him beating Klitschko then, eh? Hhhhhmmmph, doesn't surprise me from a Pac fan really:).
Jesus Chavez threw over 100 punches in almost every round, against Floyd Mayweather he still got whooped.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfanYup. The only way to beat technical fighters is to get them out of their rhythm by launching an all-out kamikaze attack, just as Ricky tried to do in the early rounds of their fight (he had some success there by stunning Floyd). But you'll need lots and lots of energy to sustain that kind of attack. Ricky said he got tired at around the 5th.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
And JMM had success against Manny Pacquiao with his counter punching style twice, despite Manny Pacquiao's improvements. He still has fits with JMM's counter punching style.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
And i think Floyd Mayweather's counter punching style, is an even worse style match up. Because he is also much harder to hit than JMM is.
And Zab Judah only won 3 rounds, as soon as Floyd Mayweather worked him out. He gave Zab Judah a beating, he landed almost x3 as many power punches.
I'll back Chino here. I've spoken to him and seen his posts. He isn't a Pac hater. He's just telling it like he sees it. Nothing wrong with that...