Re: ESPNs top 50 Fighters of all time
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Nonito Donaire
How can Pernell Whitaker only be 44 ? he is one of the GOAT IMO, he only lost one legit fight to Felix Trinida. And thats when he just got out of rehab, and he still won 3 rounds and had Felix Trinidad badly hurt in the 7th round.
Azumah Nelson
Julio Cesar Chavez
Roger Mayweather
Jose Luis Ramirez x2
Greg Haugen
Freddie Pendleton
Jorge Paez
James McGirt x2
Julio Cesar Vasquez
Wilfredo Rivera x2
Rafael Pineda
Titles at Lightweight, Jr Welterweight, Welterweight, Jr Middleweight.
Number 44 is fucking BS end of.
No way, he's was really good, but thats 44 out of the best ever, he wasn't that well recognized which is a big factor, he never got the credit he deserved, and thats probably why he is so low, but he lost to Oscar, not by the scores they had, but he lost that one.
Because people naturally dry hump the past all these guys won't get the credit they deserve until 20+ years down the road. Honestly guys like Whitaker, Hopkins, Mayweather all deserve to be higher, especially Hopkins with his fight with Calzaghe and his win over Pavlik now. I think he should be p4p in the top 30.
Re: ESPNs top 50 Fighters of all time
Got to say these all time lists are highly biased towards old fighters.
I mean Joe Luis at 4, really?
Apart from Schmelling who did he ever beat? His era was as weak as our modern era. Larry Holmes, Lennox Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe, Ali, Foreman and Frazier would all be favourites to beat him imo.
Marciano too has a record less impressive than Joe Calzaghe. Again who did he beat?
Henry Armstrong did a great feat but Manny has done as much already imo and could go on to do more.
In all seriousness I really think Manny is top 10 already with guys like B Hop and Roy Jones thereabouts too.
Re: ESPNs top 50 Fighters of all time
Never a fan of lists.... but where is ?
Aaron Pryor
Salvador Sanchez
Wilfredo Gomez
Finito Lopez
Azumah Nelson
Fighting Harada
Seems to me that the little guys get a raw deal here!
Re: ESPNs top 50 Fighters of all time
Better list but Michael Spinks waaay too high at 41.
Re: ESPNs top 50 Fighters of all time
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BIG H
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Louis
5. Willie Pep
6. Roberto Duran
7. Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sam Langford
11. Joe Gans
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Harry Greb
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney
17. Mickey Walker
18. Archie Moore
19. Stanley Ketchel
20. George Foreman
21. Tony Canzoneri
22. Barney Ross
23. Jimmy McLarnin
24. Julio Cesar Chavez
25. Marcel Cerdan
26. Joe Frazier
27. Ezzard Charles
28. Jake LaMotta
29. Sandy Saddler
30. Terry McGovern
31. Billy Conn
32. Jose Napoles
33. Ruben Olivares
34. Emile Griffith
35. Marvin Hagler
36. Eder Jofre
37. Thomas Hearns
38. Larry Holmes
39. Oscar De La Hoya
40. Evander Holyfield
41. Ted "Kid" Lewis
42. Alexis Arguello
43. Marco Antonio Barrera
44. Pernell Whitaker
45. Carlos Monzon
46. Roy Jones Jr.
47. Bernard Hopkins
48. Floyd Mayweather Jnr
49. Erik Morales
50. Mike Tyson
Any list that doesn't include Ricardo Lopez is a garbage list
Re: ESPNs top 50 Fighters of all time
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Originally Posted by
Casamayor Nuthugger 4 Life
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Originally Posted by
BIG H
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Louis
5. Willie Pep
6. Roberto Duran
7. Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sam Langford
11. Joe Gans
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Harry Greb
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney
17. Mickey Walker
18. Archie Moore
19. Stanley Ketchel
20. George Foreman
21. Tony Canzoneri
22. Barney Ross
23. Jimmy McLarnin
24. Julio Cesar Chavez
25. Marcel Cerdan
26. Joe Frazier
27. Ezzard Charles
28. Jake LaMotta
29. Sandy Saddler
30. Terry McGovern
31. Billy Conn
32. Jose Napoles
33. Ruben Olivares
34. Emile Griffith
35. Marvin Hagler
36. Eder Jofre
37. Thomas Hearns
38. Larry Holmes
39. Oscar De La Hoya
40. Evander Holyfield
41. Ted "Kid" Lewis
42. Alexis Arguello
43. Marco Antonio Barrera
44. Pernell Whitaker
45. Carlos Monzon
46. Roy Jones Jr.
47. Bernard Hopkins
48. Floyd Mayweather Jnr
49. Erik Morales
50. Mike Tyson
Any list that doesn't include Ricardo Lopez is a garbage list
I got Ricardo Lopez at 14 although my list was done quick. So its a bit all over the place, i think give or a take a few places thats about right, but your right any list without the great Ricardo Lopez is ridiculous.
Re: ESPNs top 50 Fighters of all time
Ditto and Ditto on Lopez....pathetic exclusion.
Re: ESPNs top 50 Fighters of all time
I mean its ESPN :confused:
I can't be the only one who expected a garbage list.
Re: ESPNs top 50 Fighters of all time
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Nonito Donaire
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Casamayor Nuthugger 4 Life
Quote:
Originally Posted by
BIG H
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Louis
5. Willie Pep
6. Roberto Duran
7. Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sam Langford
11. Joe Gans
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Harry Greb
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney
17. Mickey Walker
18. Archie Moore
19. Stanley Ketchel
20. George Foreman
21. Tony Canzoneri
22. Barney Ross
23. Jimmy McLarnin
24. Julio Cesar Chavez
25. Marcel Cerdan
26. Joe Frazier
27. Ezzard Charles
28. Jake LaMotta
29. Sandy Saddler
30. Terry McGovern
31. Billy Conn
32. Jose Napoles
33. Ruben Olivares
34. Emile Griffith
35. Marvin Hagler
36. Eder Jofre
37. Thomas Hearns
38. Larry Holmes
39. Oscar De La Hoya
40. Evander Holyfield
41. Ted "Kid" Lewis
42. Alexis Arguello
43. Marco Antonio Barrera
44. Pernell Whitaker
45. Carlos Monzon
46. Roy Jones Jr.
47. Bernard Hopkins
48. Floyd Mayweather Jnr
49. Erik Morales
50. Mike Tyson
Any list that doesn't include Ricardo Lopez is a garbage list
I got Ricardo Lopez at 14 although my list was done quick. So its a bit all over the place, i think give or a take a few places thats about right, but your right any list without the great Ricardo Lopez is ridiculous.
I put my own top 30 on here a couple of years ago, I had Whitaker at 8 and Lopez at 13
Re: ESPNs top 50 Fighters of all time
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Nonito Donaire
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Casamayor Nuthugger 4 Life
Quote:
Originally Posted by
BIG H
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Louis
5. Willie Pep
6. Roberto Duran
7. Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sam Langford
11. Joe Gans
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Harry Greb
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney
17. Mickey Walker
18. Archie Moore
19. Stanley Ketchel
20. George Foreman
21. Tony Canzoneri
22. Barney Ross
23. Jimmy McLarnin
24. Julio Cesar Chavez
25. Marcel Cerdan
26. Joe Frazier
27. Ezzard Charles
28. Jake LaMotta
29. Sandy Saddler
30. Terry McGovern
31. Billy Conn
32. Jose Napoles
33. Ruben Olivares
34. Emile Griffith
35. Marvin Hagler
36. Eder Jofre
37. Thomas Hearns
38. Larry Holmes
39. Oscar De La Hoya
40. Evander Holyfield
41. Ted "Kid" Lewis
42. Alexis Arguello
43. Marco Antonio Barrera
44. Pernell Whitaker
45. Carlos Monzon
46. Roy Jones Jr.
47. Bernard Hopkins
48. Floyd Mayweather Jnr
49. Erik Morales
50. Mike Tyson
Any list that doesn't include Ricardo Lopez is a garbage list
I got Ricardo Lopez at 14 although my list was done quick. So its a bit all over the place, i think give or a take a few places thats about right, but your right any list without the great Ricardo Lopez is ridiculous.
yea and i think you listed miguel canto twice. confusing.
