Re: Cotto may never be the same
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Chino
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It took him like one second to make up his mind after asking are you OK?
He looked into his face and asked twice "Are you ok?...Are you ok?..." while Taylor probably thought if a freight train just ran over him.
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Cotto lost a big fight, let's wait to see how he fights in his next fight to assess whether he'll be the same
He's fighting just another journeyman like the rest in his list so I am not really getting all hyped up about his fight with Jennings. Sure, I can see some people in this forum going "Ooooh my gaaaaaawd! He totally beat the Great Jennings!" but really, it's just a stepping stone and I wouldn't be surprised if Jennings cuts, rocks, and hurts Cotto like past fights against other journeymen. Let's see how he does in his rematch or any other young big name in their prime.
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After seeing him lose to Maragarito, do you think he'd beat the other elite welters
I wonder the same. How would he handle fighting against an elite young big name in his prime. Anybody can look good beating bunch of has-beens or journeymen. In his case, he has looked bad facing some journeymen. Let's wait until his rematch. I am not so hyped about the Jennings fight.
well Margarito is fighting the same guy that cotto beat :-\
Re: Cotto may never be the same
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Originally Posted by
Chino
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It took him like one second to make up his mind after asking are you OK?
He looked into his face and asked twice "Are you ok?...Are you ok?..." while Taylor probably thought if a freight train just ran over him.
Actually it was a bit longer than a second, more like a second and a half. Two seconds tops. During this time yeah Steele asked him twice, and the after the 2nd time, he didn't even give Taylor time to respond.
It happened too fast. But Steele did things like that.
Re: Cotto may never be the same
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CGM
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Originally Posted by
Chino
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It took him like one second to make up his mind after asking are you OK?
He looked into his face and asked twice "Are you ok?...Are you ok?..." while Taylor probably thought if a freight train just ran over him.
Actually it was a bit longer than a second, more like a second and a half. Two seconds tops. During this time yeah Steele asked him twice, and the after the 2nd time, he didn't even give Taylor time to respond.
It happened too fast. But Steele did things like that.
On top of that his dumb ass trainer or promoter (cant remember which) jumped up on the canvas and totally ddisctracted Taylor I think it made enough of a difference.
Re: Cotto may never be the same
Too fast a stoppage ???
I have dreamt stuff and thought it was true before but not about boxing as yet :-\.
So was I dreaming hearing Cotto say (post fight)
"My family is everything to me and Im everything to them I had to think of them etc..." ?
Re: Cotto may never be the same
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Andre
Too fast a stoppage ???
I have dreamt stuff and thought it was true before but not about boxing as yet :-\.
So was I dreaming hearing Cotto say (post fight)
"My family is everything to me and Im everything to them I had to think of them etc..." ?
i think he did say something like that. I think he stoppage should have come like 30 seconds earlier
Re: Cotto may never be the same
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Andre
Too fast a stoppage ???
I have dreamt stuff and thought it was true before but not about boxing as yet :-\.
So was I dreaming hearing Cotto say (post fight)
"My family is everything to me and Im everything to them I had to think of them etc..." ?
So you are saying that Taylor did have time to respond after the 2nd "Are you OK" ? Or are you even talking about Taylor?
Re: Cotto may never be the same
Now Im thinking about it more; I cant rememeber if it was part of the answer on why he just quit or if he will come back and try it again :-\.
Re: Cotto may never be the same
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CGM
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Originally Posted by
Andre
Too fast a stoppage ???
I have dreamt stuff and thought it was true before but not about boxing as yet :-\.
So was I dreaming hearing Cotto say (post fight)
"My family is everything to me and Im everything to them I had to think of them etc..." ?
So you are saying that Taylor did have time to respond after the 2nd "Are you OK" ? Or are you even talking about Taylor?
that quote was referring to the Cotto V Margo fight.
Re: Cotto may never be the same
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Originally Posted by
OnixAA
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Originally Posted by
CGM
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Originally Posted by
Andre
Too fast a stoppage ???
I have dreamt stuff and thought it was true before but not about boxing as yet :-\.
So was I dreaming hearing Cotto say (post fight)
"My family is everything to me and Im everything to them I had to think of them etc..." ?
So you are saying that Taylor did have time to respond after the 2nd "Are you OK" ? Or are you even talking about Taylor?
that quote was referring to the Cotto V Margo fight.
Yeah sorry :p. Im stuck on thinking about Cotto and why he took a knee etc , i cant remember if he said the family relies on me so the decision is about them and me ;in regards to him stopping fighting or whether or not he may not come back and fight Margo again.
To have other priorities goig into a fight is not a real good sign either way around and wont help at all next around, but it is smart.
Re: Cotto may never be the same
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Andre
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Originally Posted by
OnixAA
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CGM
So you are saying that Taylor did have time to respond after the 2nd "Are you OK" ? Or are you even talking about Taylor?
that quote was referring to the Cotto V Margo fight.
Yeah sorry :p.
LOL, but Onix and I were talking about chavez taylor. :confused:
This selective quoting of yours is messing things up Andre. ;D
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Yeah sorry dude,i explained above, :p selective reading on my behalf.
Going to have to up my fish oil intake by the looks of it :rolleyes:.
Anyway im going to have to rewatch the fight again, hope I got the after fight interviews too.
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well Margarito is fighting the same guy that cotto beat
Good point KingFrnk. A big name that is not in his prime. If Margarito hurts Mosley or even Kos/TKOs him then that can be intimidating. Like saying "I did what you couldn't do" kind of thing. Nobody is loosing/gaining weight drastically or anything. Can't wait to see this fight.
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Actually it was a bit longer than a second, more like a second and a half. Two seconds tops. During this time yeah Steele asked him twice, and the after the 2nd time, he didn't even give Taylor time to respond.
It happened too fast. But Steele did things like that.
Yes, the second time he didn't wait as long as the first time he asked. He even got close to Taylor's face to maybe try to find a reaction that showed he could still do it but no, no answer, nothing. I am guessing it all has to do with the fact that there were a few seconds left not for the round but for the entire fight that may be controversial. If this was, say, round 6 when the fight got stopped then I can imagine nobody would argue the stoppage.
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On top of that his dumb ass trainer or promoter (cant remember which) jumped up on the canvas and totally ddisctracted Taylor I think it made enough of a difference
Lou Duva who also trained Pernel Whitaker, Evander Holyfield, among others.
Re: Cotto may never be the same
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Chino
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well Margarito is fighting the same guy that cotto beat
Good point KingFrnk. A big name that is not in his prime. If Margarito hurts Mosley or even Kos/TKOs him then that can be intimidating. Like saying "I did what you couldn't do" kind of thing. Nobody is loosing/gaining weight drastically or anything. Can't wait to see this fight.
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Actually it was a bit longer than a second, more like a second and a half. Two seconds tops. During this time yeah Steele asked him twice, and the after the 2nd time, he didn't even give Taylor time to respond.
It happened too fast. But Steele did things like that.
Yes, the second time he didn't wait as long as the first time he asked. He even got close to Taylor's face to maybe try to find a reaction that showed he could still do it but no, no answer, nothing. I am guessing it all has to do with the fact that there were a few seconds left not for the round but for the entire fight that may be controversial. If this was, say, round 6 when the fight got stopped then I can imagine nobody would argue the stoppage.
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On top of that his dumb ass trainer or promoter (cant remember which) jumped up on the canvas and totally ddisctracted Taylor I think it made enough of a difference
Lou Duva who also trained Pernel Whitaker, Evander Holyfield, among others.
Didn't wait as long? When you consider the lag between making up your mind and your arm musles reacting to wave it off, I'd say he didn't wait at all. And if you are not going to wait, then why ask in the first place? Sure the fact that there was two seconds left has a has a lot to do with the notoriety of the call. Taylor was so close. Was Taylor finished beyond doubt? Hard to say. I still say Steele blew the call, but such is controversy.
Re: Cotto may never be the same
SO staying on the Taylor V Chavez topic and going back to my original Margo V Cotto topic, I wanted to bring this clip in I found on youtube, documenting the Chavez V Taylor fight, but I also wanty to point out the first two minutes of that documentary where they are talking about how that fight extinguished Taylor's prime, that's what I'm thining when I ask the question regarding Cotto was his fight with Margo that fight for him, the prmie extinguishing fight?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFQ2oJ3asaM
Re: Cotto may never be the same
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Originally Posted by
Chino
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It took him like one second to make up his mind after asking are you OK?
He looked into his face and asked twice "Are you ok?...Are you ok?..." while Taylor probably thought if a freight train just ran over him.
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Cotto lost a big fight, let's wait to see how he fights in his next fight to assess whether he'll be the same
He's fighting just another journeyman like the rest in his list so I am not really getting all hyped up about his fight with Jennings. Sure, I can see some people in this forum going "Ooooh my gaaaaaawd! He totally beat the Great Jennings!" but really, it's just a stepping stone and I wouldn't be surprised if Jennings cuts, rocks, and hurts Cotto like past fights against other journeymen. Let's see how he does in his rematch or any other young big name in their prime.
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After seeing him lose to Maragarito, do you think he'd beat the other elite welters
I wonder the same. How would he handle fighting against an elite young big name in his prime. Anybody can look good beating bunch of has-beens or journeymen. In his case, he has looked bad facing some journeymen. Let's wait until his rematch. I am not so hyped about the Jennings fight.
You know what I like about you Chino? How original all your posts are. You don't limit yourself to one topic or say the same things over and over again like a some posters; you've got a lot to say, and you present it in as unbiased a way a possible, backing up all your assertions with solid facts.
Good job :thumb:
