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Thats a great point. I try to think that way with all fighters. What if Duran faced all Mayweathers opponents, or what if Ali faced Tysons opponents etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I'm sure if Holyfield would of faced the bum of the month opponents Louis faced he would of crushed them as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by hardcore_crash
holyfield wins throws too many punches for louis
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Originally Posted by holmcall
Seriously what exactly is Holyfield suppose to say? "Yeah Louis would beat me ass?" "I don't deserve to be in the same ring with him?" Come on now. Holyfield is/was a great fighter. And he knows it. I see nothing wrong with his comments.
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseQuote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
Seriously what exactly is Holyfield suppose to say? "Yeah Louis would beat me ass?" "I don't deserve to be in the same ring with him?" Come on now. Holyfield is/was a great fighter. And he knows it. I see nothing wrong with his comments.
But why diss a great like Louis? What does it gain him? He should just go away into the sunset and take the Beast from Russia with him. Louis was a beloved champion in his day.
I'm just plain sick of Holyfield and his "dream." Give me a break here. What part of "it's over" doesn't he get? Part of my animus is due to the fact I hate to see great fighters screw up thier legacy by staying on too long. Same thing happened to Saad and that was sad.
It really wasn't even that much of a diss. He pretty much just said he could beat him. Yeah I agree it's time for him to go. It's been time. But he fights on for the same reason Louis fought on. He needs the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcallQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseQuote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
Seriously what exactly is Holyfield suppose to say? "Yeah Louis would beat me ass?" "I don't deserve to be in the same ring with him?" Come on now. Holyfield is/was a great fighter. And he knows it. I see nothing wrong with his comments.
But why diss a great like Louis? What does it gain him? He should just go away into the sunset and take the Beast from Russia with him. Louis was a beloved champion in his day.
I'm just plain sick of Holyfield and his "dream." Give me a break here. What part of "it's over" doesn't he get? Part of my animus is due to the fact I hate to see great fighters screw up thier legacy by staying on too long. Same thing happened to Saad and that was sad.
I ignore all negative Holyfield news. That guy that fought recently is named Evander Holyfield. But that's just in name. It's not the same guy I followed and made money off by betting on him. That guy disappeared when James Toney (a former Middleweight) knocked him out. He was already shot by than. But I bought his excuses (bad shoulder against Byrd, Ruiz to much holding was the problem) even though I knew they were just that. Excuses. Cuz he was Holyfield. He earned his excuses (they long ran out by now).
Now I seen a lot of Louis fights. Read and study up on him enough to know he was a great fighter. But he was before my time. I didn't follow him. So I can't back him as much as I back Holyfield. And I don't want to back him up. Louis never made me no money like Evander did. So Evander says he can beat Louis ass. Than Evander can beat Louis ass
I have to admit I havent seen many of Joe's fights but on the flip side I think Holyfield is a top HW and would give any HW from any era a run for his money....
But we werent at the interview and we dont know how Holyfield said what he said...did he say it with a smirk or was he dead serious that he would walk through Joe????
Any top athlete has to have a big ego and confidence so he may in his heart think he could beat Joe and there is nothing wrong with that....but I find it hard to believe Holyfield would diss one of the greats.....
[QUOTE=Violent Demise;661949][quote=holmcall;661936]Perfect logic!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Evander should take his analysis one step further, and realize that the same applies to him against guys like the Klitschkos.
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIt really wasn't even that much of a diss. He pretty much just said he could beat him. Yeah I agree it's time for him to go. It's been time. But he fights on for the same reason Louis fought on. He needs the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcallQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
But why diss a great like Louis? What does it gain him? He should just go away into the sunset and take the Beast from Russia with him. Louis was a beloved champion in his day.
I'm just plain sick of Holyfield and his "dream." Give me a break here. What part of "it's over" doesn't he get? Part of my animus is due to the fact I hate to see great fighters screw up thier legacy by staying on too long. Same thing happened to Saad and that was sad.
I ignore all negative Holyfield news. That guy that fought recently is named Evander Holyfield. But that's just in name. It's not the same guy I followed and made money off by betting on him. That guy disappeared when James Toney (a former Middleweight) knocked him out. He was already shot by than. But I bought his excuses (bad shoulder against Byrd, Ruiz to much holding was the problem) even though I knew they were just that. Excuses. Cuz he was Holyfield. He earned his excuses (they long ran out by now).
Now I seen a lot of Louis fights. Read and study up on him enough to know he was a great fighter. But he was before my time. I didn't follow him. So I can't back him as much as I back Holyfield. And I don't want to back him up. Louis never made me no money like Evander did. So Evander says he can beat Louis ass. Than Evander can beat Louis ass
Fair enough!
It is rather difficult to get behind a fighter you never saw fight liveQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIt really wasn't even that much of a diss. He pretty much just said he could beat him. Yeah I agree it's time for him to go. It's been time. But he fights on for the same reason Louis fought on. He needs the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcallQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
But why diss a great like Louis? What does it gain him? He should just go away into the sunset and take the Beast from Russia with him. Louis was a beloved champion in his day.
I'm just plain sick of Holyfield and his "dream." Give me a break here. What part of "it's over" doesn't he get? Part of my animus is due to the fact I hate to see great fighters screw up thier legacy by staying on too long. Same thing happened to Saad and that was sad.
I ignore all negative Holyfield news. That guy that fought recently is named Evander Holyfield. But that's just in name. It's not the same guy I followed and made money off by betting on him. That guy disappeared when James Toney (a former Middleweight) knocked him out. He was already shot by than. But I bought his excuses (bad shoulder against Byrd, Ruiz to much holding was the problem) even though I knew they were just that. Excuses. Cuz he was Holyfield. He earned his excuses (they long ran out by now).
Now I seen a lot of Louis fights. Read and study up on him enough to know he was a great fighter. But he was before my time. I didn't follow him. So I can't back him as much as I back Holyfield. And I don't want to back him up. Louis never made me no money like Evander did. So Evander says he can beat Louis ass. Than Evander can beat Louis ass
Holyfield got hit by too many punches to take Louis....Joe Louis was a BAAAAAD man and Holyfield even comparing himself to Joe makes me think it's waaaaaaay past time to hang them up, it's delusional. Joe Louis would whip his ass! Joe Louis is the greatest of all-time!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SaltyBacon
Lyle i think you are over rating Louis he had weak oppstion and not only that but in his prime was beat by a less then great heavyweight not only beat but knocked out and also was being out boxed by a LHW. Think Evander Holyfeild would stop him late and if Evander could take Tyson and Lewis punchs when he was past prime i think he can take Louis. I also think he could of made as many defences to if he was fighting guys who were not really pro fighters like bartenders then i think Holyfeild could of made that many title defences easy i would favor Holyfeild to win it he has the workrate chin and speed to win and competion was far better and i dont get the big deal he said he could win.
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Originally Posted by LyleHolyfield got hit by too many punches to take Louis....Joe Louis was a BAAAAAD man and Holyfield even comparing himself to Joe makes me think it's waaaaaaay past time to hang them up, it's delusional. Joe Louis would whip his ass! Joe Louis is the greatest of all-time!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SaltyBacon
That's what I'm talking about! :lolololol:
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Originally Posted by Rotten AppleIt is rather difficult to get behind a fighter you never saw fight liveQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIt really wasn't even that much of a diss. He pretty much just said he could beat him. Yeah I agree it's time for him to go. It's been time. But he fights on for the same reason Louis fought on. He needs the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
I ignore all negative Holyfield news. That guy that fought recently is named Evander Holyfield. But that's just in name. It's not the same guy I followed and made money off by betting on him. That guy disappeared when James Toney (a former Middleweight) knocked him out. He was already shot by than. But I bought his excuses (bad shoulder against Byrd, Ruiz to much holding was the problem) even though I knew they were just that. Excuses. Cuz he was Holyfield. He earned his excuses (they long ran out by now).
Now I seen a lot of Louis fights. Read and study up on him enough to know he was a great fighter. But he was before my time. I didn't follow him. So I can't back him as much as I back Holyfield. And I don't want to back him up. Louis never made me no money like Evander did. So Evander says he can beat Louis ass. Than Evander can beat Louis ass
Well, that's why I'm behind The Brown Bomber. Believe it or not, I did actually see him fight. He would have beaten Holyfield IMO, but a compareison of the level of opposition would clearly favor Holyfield who has fought just about everyone and anyone.
Not relevant?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
He dropped a scandalous decision to Valuev just weeks ago, he's relevant enough to compete with the top heavies.
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Holyfield believes that he can still be Unified world Heavyweight Champion.
We don't take this opinion seriously, then why take his opinion about Louis seriously?
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As a heavyweight, Holyfield is actually bigger than Joe.
He has actually fought better competition than Joe has in Tyson, Lewis, Bowe etc.
Given the evolution in size, one could also take Holyfield's cruiser wins into account.
Joe was taken out badly by Marciano and Schmeling, outjabbed by Conn and troubled by some mediocre fighters.
With Holyfields chin, anything COULD happen.
Although I would insert the Bomber as favourite, this hypothetical fight could be a pick em.
Good points, indeed, but keep in mind that Valuev is nothing to write home about. Johnny Ruiz got stiffed in a fight with that Beast.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyNot relevant?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
He dropped a scandalous decision to Valuev just weeks ago, he's relevant enough to compete with the top heavies.
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Holyfield believes that he can still be Unified world Heavyweight Champion.
We don't take this opinion seriously, then why take his opinion about Louis seriously?
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As a heavyweight, Holyfield is actually bigger than Joe.
He has actually fought better competition than Joe has in Tyson, Lewis, Bowe etc.
Given the evolution in size, one could also take Holyfield's cruiser wins into account.
Joe was taken out badly by Marciano and Schmeling, outjabbed by Conn and troubled by some mediocre fighters.
With Holyfields chin, anything COULD happen.
Although I would insert the Bomber as favourite, this hypothetical fight could be a pick em.