Re: Has Any Fighter In Recent Memory Fought As Many Quality Fighters In A Row Than JM
Re: Has Any Fighter In Recent Memory Fought As Many Quality Fighters In A Row Than JM
Re: Has Any Fighter In Recent Memory Fought As Many Quality Fighters In A Row Than JM
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jackassess
edwin valero?;D
A list of "Tuk-tuks", HOF as Brad C would coin it! LOL!
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miron_lang
Oscar Larios should be in BOLD. He's was a champion before pac and now the current WBC 126lbs Champion.
Lehlo Ledwabba was a serious TOP 15 fighter p4p and was considered the top dog @122
Jorge Julio - Is a former 2 time World Champion
Chatchai Sasakul - Is a linear Legendary Champion
Only Oscar Dela Hoya and BHOP rivals PAC's resume
Bolded names are of those Future Hall of Famers!
Re: Has Any Fighter In Recent Memory Fought As Many Quality Fighters In A Row Than JM
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Dark Lord Al
Calzaghe :lolhaha:
What's incredible about Joe's list would be the left side of it... showing only W's exclusively! Winningly discriminating of D's and L's, if you get the drift.
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Barring the unjustifiable Manfredo fight, Calzaghe's last half-a-dozen are top draw.
What current other fighter between 160-175 would remain unbeaten through - Lacy, Keslser, Bika, Hopkins and Roy?
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Fenster
Barring the unjustifiable Manfredo fight, Calzaghe's last half-a-dozen are top draw.
What current other fighter between 160-175 would remain unbeaten through - Lacy, Keslser, Bika, Hopkins and Roy?
The hate for Joe is amazing. He's beaten a whose who of the best fighters in thos weight classes and still gets no respect.
His last six fights resume is way above Marquez imo who is 4-2 after all
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Nonito Donaire
JMM's last 8 fights.
Victor Polo
Chris John
Terdsak Jandaeng
Jimrex Jaca
MAB
Rocky Juarez
Manny Pacquaio
Joel Casamayor
And now Juan Diaz from the top of my head, i can't think of a fighter. Who has fought that kind of level of opposition in a row. That truly is quite a list.
Juan Manuel Marquez is way over-rated. Don't get me wrong I think Marquez is a great fighter but he has yet prove he is the great champion he is given credit for being. People (his fans) keep mentioning him with the same breath as MAB and EM. This something he hasn't earned. When did he fight EM? Juan Manuel Marquez. He fought MAB on his way down, Marquez missed his chance to "Prove" he is the great champion he is given credit for. When he refused to fight Naseem Hamed. Juan Manuel Márquez - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia Marquez is riding on the coat tails of Manny Pacquiao. I wish Marquez would just fight with his fists and not with his mouth. But I think it's too late for this champion to do that because his on his way out. If he ever gets a rematch with Pacquiao in 2009, after Pacquiao/Hatton (depends on Mayweather. is his love for money greater than his love for being a braggart) Pacquiao will just make him look old. Take him out of the p4p top ten.
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Bilbo
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Fenster
Barring the unjustifiable Manfredo fight, Calzaghe's last half-a-dozen are top draw.
What current other fighter between 160-175 would remain unbeaten through - Lacy, Keslser, Bika, Hopkins and Roy?
The hate for Joe is amazing. He's beaten a whose who of the best fighters in thos weight classes and still gets no respect.
His last six fights resume is way above Marquez imo who is 4-2 after all
Calzaghe is hated beyond measure. Marquez is really good, but Calzaghe has done more in recent years for me. And IMO Barrera beat Marquez too, so that shoots a nail in it. Calzaghe hands down, he doesnt lose fights.
And as for Taeth saying there is a case for Hopkins beating Calzaghe. Get real. Twit. :rolleyes:
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JMM is not over rated he is unlucky and would have beat Naz before MAB did.
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I've defended Calzaghe's record in the part, but saying he has fought better competition than JMM or Pac in his last several fights is absurd.
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Fenster
Barring the unjustifiable Manfredo fight, Calzaghe's last half-a-dozen are top draw.
What current other fighter between 160-175 would remain unbeaten through - Lacy, Keslser, Bika, Hopkins and Roy?
You can't just ignore the Manfredo fight though. Hopkins was a great win for Calzaghe (I feel that he lost the fight by 1 round, but I guess I must be a twit), Kessler was a great win as well (hopefully he does something in the future to justify this position), as was Lacy at the time, but Bika, Manfredo, and Jones were not great opponents IMO. Bika was a rugged 2nd tier fighter, Manfredo was Manfredo, and Jones was a shadow of what he used to be (though the way in which Calzaghe beat him was impressive).
It's a very high level of opposition, but I don't feel that it compares with that of some of the other fighters mentioned.
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Bilbo
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Fenster
Barring the unjustifiable Manfredo fight, Calzaghe's last half-a-dozen are top draw.
What current other fighter between 160-175 would remain unbeaten through - Lacy, Keslser, Bika, Hopkins and Roy?
The hate for Joe is amazing. He's beaten a whose who of the best fighters in thos weight classes and still gets no respect.
His last six fights resume is way above Marquez imo who is 4-2 after all
This isn't a shot just at you, but this fascination with fighters remaining undefeated is ridiculous. It's also one of the things slowly killing boxing. Fighters desperate to stay undefeated will carefully choose opponents in order to keep the 0 on their records. I guess it's the Rocky Marciano syndrome or something; all fighters want to retire undefeated. UFC doesn't have the same obsession with undefeated fighters and it doesn't seem to hurt their marketability at all.
And whether or not the fighter in question remained undefeated is irrelevant to the original question.
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miles
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Bilbo
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Fenster
Barring the unjustifiable Manfredo fight, Calzaghe's last half-a-dozen are top draw.
What current other fighter between 160-175 would remain unbeaten through - Lacy, Keslser, Bika, Hopkins and Roy?
The hate for Joe is amazing. He's beaten a whose who of the best fighters in thos weight classes and still gets no respect.
His last six fights resume is way above Marquez imo who is 4-2 after all
Calzaghe is hated beyond measure. Marquez is really good, but Calzaghe has done more in recent years for me. And IMO Barrera beat Marquez too, so that shoots a nail in it. Calzaghe hands down, he doesnt lose fights.
And as for Taeth saying there is a case for Hopkins beating Calzaghe. Get real. Twit. :rolleyes:
Calzaghe doesn't lose fights because he hasn't fought a high level of competition for much of his career. That's not to say he isn't a great fighter, he is, but being undefeated is not the be all and end off of things and again, it has nothing to do with the original question.
As for Hopkins, I also feel he (barely) beat Calzaghe. It's no different from you feeling that Barrera beat Marquez.
I want to reiterate, I don't dislike Calzaghe, but I don't think his recent level of opposition is comparable to that of Pac, Marquez, or even Hopkins or Winky. It has been very good (lately), but it's still a step below those fighters, which is not a shot at Calzaghe in any way.
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Master
JMM is not over rated he is unlucky and would have beat Naz before MAB did.
Just more hot air!
Re: Has Any Fighter In Recent Memory Fought As Many Quality Fighters In A Row Than JM
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Master
JMM is not over rated he is unlucky and would have beat Naz before MAB did.
I'm with MASTER. Naz ducked Marquez and Marquez would've also done a number on him very similarly to what Barrera did.
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C-Lo
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Master
JMM is not over rated he is unlucky and would have beat Naz before MAB did.
I'm with MASTER. Naz ducked Marquez and Marquez would've also done a number on him very similarly to what Barrera did.
Marquez was offered the Naz fight but unfortunately BOTTLED it. Fact.
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CFH
I've defended Calzaghe's record in the part, but saying he has fought better competition than JMM or Pac in his last several fights is absurd.
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Fenster
Barring the unjustifiable Manfredo fight, Calzaghe's last half-a-dozen are top draw.
What current other fighter between 160-175 would remain unbeaten through - Lacy, Keslser, Bika, Hopkins and Roy?
You can't just ignore the Manfredo fight though. Hopkins was a great win for Calzaghe (I feel that he lost the fight by 1 round, but I guess I must be a twit), Kessler was a great win as well (hopefully he does something in the future to justify this position), as was Lacy at the time, but Bika, Manfredo, and Jones were not great opponents IMO. Bika was a rugged 2nd tier fighter, Manfredo was Manfredo, and Jones was a shadow of what he used to be (though the way in which Calzaghe beat him was impressive).
It's a very high level of opposition, but I don't feel that it compares with that of some of the other fighters mentioned.
I said the Manfredo fight was unjustifiable.
Which current fighter between 160-175 do you think would remain unbeaten against those guys?
