Another kahn critic

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

It's not a typical Khan fight its typicial of ANY fighter.

Every prospect, every world champ, every fighter who has the bargaining power will manufacturer fights to be as much in their favour as possible, and if they don't then they are with the wrong promotors.

Look at Floyd, when he fought Coralles he insisted the fight took place at super feather as Diego was struggling to keep at that weight. Manny brought Oscar down to 147, Floyd brought Ricky up to 147.

B Hop brought Oscar, Tito and Pavlik up to fight him on his terms.

EVERY fighter who is expected to have a decent world class career is carefully managed, if they are not then his team are simply not doing their job.

Khan is only 22. He already has wins over a legend in Barrera, an ex world champ in Gary St. Clair. He's won the Commonwealth title and has wins over decent domestic opposition like Graham Earl, Michael Gomez, Willie Limond etc.

Show me another 22 year old fighter in the world who has a more impressive resume and who isn't thought of a potential superstar and world class.

No doubt you will reply 'well Floyd Mayweather was already fighting......blah blah blah', well if that's the lengths you have to go to compare him, against the greatest fighter of the last decade, a 6 weight undefeated world champ, an all time great and a first ballot Hall of Famer, then it kind of only highlights how absurd and over the top the criticisms of Khan are.

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Oscar called Manny out...He already had the advantage...was Manny to just fold up and give DLH every advantage?.....

Trinidad was already a middleweight when he fought Hopkins...in fact a MW champion...He entered the MW tourney no one asked him to enter as a disadvantage to fight Hopkins...It was not a guarentee Hopkins was going to be facing Tito just turned out that way...so no one brought Tito up for Hopkins...

Same as when Hopkins faced DLH...Oscar chased him and jumped up to MW just to fight Hopkins...Hopkins did not call DLH out he accepted a challenge...Again DLH held a world title at MW (Regardless if it was due to a gift decision)

As for fighter at 22 being a prospect or haviong accomplished what Kahn has thuse far,,,

Fernando Vargas was world champion with an unblemished record by time he was 21 and by time he was 22 he had already beaten future HOF fighter such as Ike Quartey and Winky Wright...Who were in their primes....

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Vargas was 10 years ago mate and if I remember was expected to be a superstar then.

Read my post carefully.

Where are the 22 year olds now with resume's better than Khans AND who ARN'T considered to be super prospects?

Khan IS a super prospect, he has WORLD CLASS skills, if he doesn't then just show me all other 22 year olds (or younger) who have done more and are also disregarded as being just hype like he is.

The kid gets no credit, yes he a suspect chin, but in every other department he is outstanding.

People are criticising him for beating an old Barrera as if its not a big deal but what other absolute ring legend recently has been beaten by a supposed nobody and a hype job?

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Actully you said show me another 22yr old fighter in the world...I just did not put the current version into it...

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Oscar called Manny out...He already had the advantage...was Manny to just fold up and give DLH every advantage?.....

Trinidad was already a middleweight when he fought Hopkins...in fact a MW champion...He entered the MW tourney no one asked him to enter as a disadvantage to fight Hopkins...It was not a guarentee Hopkins was going to be facing Tito just turned out that way...so no one brought Tito up for Hopkins...

Same as when Hopkins faced DLH...Oscar chased him and jumped up to MW just to fight Hopkins...Hopkins did not call DLH out he accepted a challenge...Again DLH held a world title at MW (Regardless if it was due to a gift decision)

As for fighter at 22 being a prospect or haviong accomplished what Kahn has thuse far,,,

Fernando Vargas was world champion with an unblemished record by time he was 21 and by time he was 22 he had already beaten future HOF fighter such as Ike Quartey and Winky Wright...Who were in their primes....

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Vargas was 10 years ago mate and if I remember was expected to be a superstar then.

Read my post carefully.

Where are the 22 year olds now with resume's better than Khans AND who ARN'T considered to be super prospects?

Khan IS a super prospect, he has WORLD CLASS skills, if he doesn't then just show me all other 22 year olds (or younger) who have done more and are also disregarded as being just hype like he is.

The kid gets no credit, yes he a suspect chin, but in every other department he is outstanding.

People are criticising him for beating an old Barrera as if its not a big deal but what other absolute ring legend recently has been beaten by a supposed nobody and a hype job?

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Actully you said show me another 22yr old fighter in the world...I just did not put the current version into it...

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ha well I think it's clear that current is implied

Show me another 22 year old fighter in the world who has a more impressive resume and who isn't thought of a potential superstar and world class.

But actually even if ignore the current fighters it only demonstrates the point. Vargas is one of the superstars in boxing, at 22 he was one of the hottest talents in the world, even now he's one of the most popular fighters of the last 10 years having fought all the p4p best and legends around his weight class.

So if you are comparing Amir to him then that's pretty high praise for young Khan methinks.

My point is everybody slates Khan as if he's done nothing and is nothing more than sheer hype yet his resume speaks for itself.

He beats Barrera and even leaving the cut aside people are saying they won't give Khan credit as Barrera was older, smaller, slower etc and had all the disadvantages.

All I can think is well didn't Manny Pacquaio and Juan Manuel Marquez come up from the SAME weight class as Barrera to fight in the new SAME weight class as Khan, and in Manny's case higher again?

Didn't they both smoke their world champion opponents?

Manny destroyed David Diaz, he then destroyed Oscar at 147. Marquez destroyed Casamayor, and then destroyed Juan Diaz (a fight in which oddly everybody gave Juan Diaz tremendous credit)

Then young Khan, the useless club fighter, with a glass jaw and overhyped talent pitches a 5 round shutout of Barrera winning every second of every round, and it's not big deal, he deserves NO credit.

It's just plain hating, I'm not saying from you, but from so many people on here in general.

It was a fantastic performance by Khan, shame about the cut, but Khan by dominating every single round put the question beyond doubt.

HAHAHAHA Missy's come out of hiding then, armed with nothing but cheap shots and petty insults HAHAHAHAHA !!!!

You know what you really are a fucking joke Missy,every excuse in the book, tell me why didnt your man quit in the 4th when he had the chance eh, then it would have been a NC.

Why couldnt your man knock out glass jaw Khan, who I seem to remember you saying a puff of wind could blow over, i mean if Prescott can (who ?) why couldn't the supreme Barrera. He even came out after the doctors visit in 4th to really go at Khan and within 20 seconds Khan was beatin him up again.

its all the cuts fault eh, not like he wasnt getttin outboxed before the cut either.

You are a self-rightoues fanboy who can't get their head out of their arse for 1 minute to actually watch the fight and see the truth, Miles i can understand he's hurting but at least he isnt being a complete and utter sore loser about it.

I dont usually stoop to this level but after all the BS ive heard out of you in the run up to this fight you deserve it. MAB lost fair and square get over it ! Oh heres the full fight in good quality if you care to watch with the blinkers off:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v36TSUVg7Cw

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Originally Posted by 1-hit Wonder

HAHAHAHA Missy's come out of hiding then, armed with nothing but cheap shots and petty insults HAHAHAHAHA !!!!

You know what you really are a fucking joke Missy,every excuse in the book, tell me why didnt your man quit in the 4th when he had the chance eh, then it would have been a NC.

Why couldnt your man knock out glass jaw Khan, who I seem to remember you saying a puff of wind could blow over, i mean if Prescott can (who ?) why couldn't the supreme Barrera. He even came out after the doctors visit in 4th to really go at Khan and within 20 seconds Khan was beatin him up again.

its all the cuts fault eh, not like he wasnt getttin outboxed before the cut either.

You are a self-rightoues fanboy who can't get their head out of their arse for 1 minute to actually watch the fight and see the truth, Miles i can understand he's hurting but at least he isnt being a complete and utter sore loser about it.

I dont usually stoop to this level but after all the BS ive heard out of you in the run up to this fight you deserve it. MAB lost fair and square get over it ! Oh heres the full fight in good quality if you care to watch with the blinkers off:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v36TSUVg7Cw

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Hiding? From what, you? You weren't the idiot I was dressing down on Saturday night are you?

Have you actually taken the time to read the posts? I doubt it.

What excuses have I made? The fact that Barrera had a 2" axe wound in his head? Sorry I made that up and photoshopped that picture:rolleyes:

The cut happened in the middle of the 1st round, you don't honestly expect to predict the outcome of a 12-rounder from that do you? Actually I expect you do.

I do like the part where the 1-eyed Barrera throws a left hook and Khan staggers...you may want to watch that again;)

No matter you're gone from the thread because I'm such a sore loser and you like my jokes:p

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

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Originally Posted by 1-hit Wonder

HAHAHAHA Missy's come out of hiding then, armed with nothing but cheap shots and petty insults HAHAHAHAHA !!!!

You know what you really are a fucking joke Missy,every excuse in the book, tell me why didnt your man quit in the 4th when he had the chance eh, then it would have been a NC.

Why couldnt your man knock out glass jaw Khan, who I seem to remember you saying a puff of wind could blow over, i mean if Prescott can (who ?) why couldn't the supreme Barrera. He even came out after the doctors visit in 4th to really go at Khan and within 20 seconds Khan was beatin him up again.

its all the cuts fault eh, not like he wasnt getttin outboxed before the cut either.

You are a self-rightoues fanboy who can't get their head out of their arse for 1 minute to actually watch the fight and see the truth, Miles i can understand he's hurting but at least he isnt being a complete and utter sore loser about it.

I dont usually stoop to this level but after all the BS ive heard out of you in the run up to this fight you deserve it. MAB lost fair and square get over it ! Oh heres the full fight in good quality if you care to watch with the blinkers off:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v36TSUVg7Cw

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Hiding? From what, you? You weren't the idiot I was dressing down on Saturday night are you?

Have you actually taken the time to read the posts? I doubt it.

What excuses have I made? The fact that Barrera had a 2" axe wound in his head? Sorry I made that up and photoshopped that picture:rolleyes:

The cut happened in the middle of the 1st round, you don't honestly expect to predict the outcome of a 12-rounder from that do you? Actually I expect you do.

I do like the part where the 1-eyed Barrera throws a left hook and Khan staggers...you may want to watch that again;)

No matter you're gone from the thread because I'm such a sore loser and you like my jokes:p

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Missy, I'm sorry but it ain't really on banning him from the thread even if what he said was stupid. It's all part of what happens especially when you make a big deal of something before a fight. Look at all the stuff Chino & Onixaa got after the Mosley-Margarito fight & the ODLH-Pac fight. I don't doubt that one or two of Miles, leftylee, SaddoBoxer & BruceLee will be getting a lil bit banter after the Pac-Hatton fight. It's just one of the things you've got to deal with, I'm sure if Mayweather comes back & gets beaten by someone I'll come in for it as well.

Fine, if you did it to take it off the main board that's cool, but then you close the other thread in Let's Get It On, giving him 10 minutes to respond. You've just abused your powers as a Mod, and that's a shame because you're one of the posters on here I respect. Personally, I dunno who this guy is or really give a fuck, but even if its a tool like SaddoBoxer you still gotta play fair with em.

I could see two things happening. The thread turning nasty and personal or one of us leaving. So I made my choice. My suggestion about taking it off topic reflects him claiming I was in hiding in another thread I'd not seen. So all things considered I think I made the wise choice, don't you?

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

I could see two things happening. The thread turning nasty and personal or one of us leaving. So I made my choice. My suggestion about taking it off topic reflects him claiming I was in hiding in another thread I'd not seen. So all things considered I think I made the wise choice, don't you?

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If that was it fair enough, although it didn't seem like it was headed there that quickly, but for the main board, fair call, but you then closed the other thread not really giving him right of reply, sorry but IMO that's just not on.

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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

I could see two things happening. The thread turning nasty and personal or one of us leaving. So I made my choice. My suggestion about taking it off topic reflects him claiming I was in hiding in another thread I'd not seen. So all things considered I think I made the wise choice, don't you?

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If that was it fair enough, although it didn't seem like it was headed there that quickly, but for the main board, fair call, but you then closed the other thread not really giving him right of reply, sorry but IMO that's just not on.

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Trust me it would have:cool: You go plowing in to thread like that...

That was in Let's Get it On. Who said you had to play fair in there?....you/he could start another thread if you feel hard done by. Promise I won't reply till it hits the second page:cool:

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

I could see two things happening. The thread turning nasty and personal or one of us leaving. So I made my choice. My suggestion about taking it off topic reflects him claiming I was in hiding in another thread I'd not seen. So all things considered I think I made the wise choice, don't you?

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If that was it fair enough, although it didn't seem like it was headed there that quickly, but for the main board, fair call, but you then closed the other thread not really giving him right of reply, sorry but IMO that's just not on.

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Trust me it would have:cool: You go plowing in to thread like that...

That was in Let's Get it On. Who said you had to play fair in there?....you/he could start another thread if you feel hard done by. Promise I won't reply till it hits the second page:cool:

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Well, if you're gonna do all that crap like blockin him from this thread, then the thread HE creates to complain you shift there then close then I doubt he'll do it because he expects the same. I don't have a problem with you, but I don't agree with how you've dealt with this, and I'm going to say that to you, not go creating some whingy little thread about. I've never seen this guy post before, so I'm not really concerned about him more the principle, but if you're gonna take it somewhere, you can't shut it down after the first reply from him.

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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

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If that was it fair enough, although it didn't seem like it was headed there that quickly, but for the main board, fair call, but you then closed the other thread not really giving him right of reply, sorry but IMO that's just not on.

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Trust me it would have:cool: You go plowing in to thread like that...

That was in Let's Get it On. Who said you had to play fair in there?....you/he could start another thread if you feel hard done by. Promise I won't reply till it hits the second page:cool:

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Well, if you're gonna do all that crap like blockin him from this thread, then the thread HE creates to complain you shift there then close then I doubt he'll do it because he expects the same. I don't have a problem with you, but I don't agree with how you've dealt with this, and I'm going to say that to you, not go creating some whingy little thread about. I've never seen this guy post before, so I'm not really concerned about him more the principle, but if you're gonna take it somewhere, you can't shut it down after the first reply from him.

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I know isn't it great;D

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

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Trust me it would have:cool: You go plowing in to thread like that...

That was in Let's Get it On. Who said you had to play fair in there?....you/he could start another thread if you feel hard done by. Promise I won't reply till it hits the second page:cool:

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Well, if you're gonna do all that crap like blockin him from this thread, then the thread HE creates to complain you shift there then close then I doubt he'll do it because he expects the same. I don't have a problem with you, but I don't agree with how you've dealt with this, and I'm going to say that to you, not go creating some whingy little thread about. I've never seen this guy post before, so I'm not really concerned about him more the principle, but if you're gonna take it somewhere, you can't shut it down after the first reply from him.

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I know isn't it great;D

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You fascist pig Balbricker :mad:

Why don't I have any mod powers it so unfair, I want to ban people too. :(

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

Well, if you're gonna do all that crap like blockin him from this thread, then the thread HE creates to complain you shift there then close then I doubt he'll do it because he expects the same. I don't have a problem with you, but I don't agree with how you've dealt with this, and I'm going to say that to you, not go creating some whingy little thread about. I've never seen this guy post before, so I'm not really concerned about him more the principle, but if you're gonna take it somewhere, you can't shut it down after the first reply from him.

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I know isn't it great;D

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You fascist pig Balbricker :mad:

Why don't I have any mod powers it so unfair, I want to ban people too. :(

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That's Miss Ballbreaker to you little man.:mad:

BILBO SERIOUSLY. Kahns Career. to date.

wins that stand out.

Earl, two fights before got smashed to bits in a title challenge and was shot to death when kahn beat him, in earls next fight lost to henry castle who blew him apart in 1, WHO!

Willie limond, A career superfeather drops kahn very heavily and was kahn on the floor for the ten count? Oh and he cant punch and if he could would of been the first man to stop kahn.

Gairy st claire, Career superfeather world champ at super feather and the fight looked like a sparring match.

Scott lawton, beat everytime he stepped up knocked out by thaxton fight before,

Michael gomez, Started as a featherweight still dropped kahn! had been in more wars than rambo when they fought oh and did i already say started as a feather and is away to fight ricky burns at superfeather next! so he was there for cash. not glory.


Prescott. First proper test imo and what happened

Marco antonio Barrera, If any person in the world thought that a young quote superstar of the ring was impressive in beating an ancient ring legend who started his career as a bantam! is more blind than barrera was for the fight with kahn. And barrera still rocked him a bit with a couple of punches!

One resounding fact about all of these fighters bar 1 (prescott) Is they came up from weights and if you coming up in weight you lose a bit of power, Or they just couldnt punch. This is kahns career. Not that impressive imo. If you have a good promoter they can make you look like the greatest. But that does not mean you are.

Bilbo what kahn are you talking about?

Sorry Feeney but I'm 100% with Bilbo on this.

What pretty much EVERYBODY seems to forget is that Khan is just 22 years old. 22 years old FFS!!!

At that age 90% of pro boxers haven't even registered on the radar yet. The difference with Khan is because of his Olympic success.Sure he's getting all the breaks and money boxers equally as good him never normally get, but he's under the microscope having every fight over examined and each opponent picked apart.

I hate to say it but Warren is just doing his job. Khan should be in with blown up FW's and nobodies, he needs to learn his trade first just like every other Pro boxer out there.

If when Bilbo asks to provide another resume from a 22 year old boxer that can rival Khan's and all that can be provided is PBF or Vargas - well, that just says it all doesn't it!

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Sorry Feeney but I'm 100% with Bilbo on this.

What pretty much EVERYBODY seems to forget is that Khan is just 22 years old. 22 years old FFS!!!

At that age 90% of pro boxers haven't even registered on the radar yet. The difference with Khan is because of his Olympic success.Sure he's getting all the breaks and money boxers equally as good him never normally get, but he's under the microscope having every fight over examined and each opponent picked apart.

I hate to say it but Warren is just doing his job. Khan should be in with blown up FW's and nobodies, he needs to learn his trade first just like every other Pro boxer out there.

If when Bilbo asks to provide another resume from a 22 year old boxer that can rival Khan's and all that can be provided is PBF or Vargas - well, that just says it all doesn't it!

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By the time Barrera was Khans age he had defended his world title 6 times. Khan hasnt even challenged for the British title yet and has already been knocked out by an unknown .