JOE CALZAGHE was a better champ than JOE LOUIS

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Originally Posted by SEANIE

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Originally Posted by RP33

Let me guess, you're from the UK.

Unbiased? You just rated Jeff Lacy 10/10.. nice try.

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As stated all boxers are ranked pre fight. There is no retrospective rating. Coming into the Calzaghe bout Lacey was the favourite and unbeaten. If you read all the thread you will see I gave Max Schmeling 10/10. My opionions are unbiased. If you disagree do your own ratings or shut up.

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

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Originally Posted by SEANIE

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Originally Posted by RP33

Let me guess, you're from the UK.

Unbiased? You just rated Jeff Lacy 10/10.. nice try.

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As stated all boxers are ranked pre fight. There is no retrospective rating. Coming into the Calzaghe bout Lacey was the favourite and unbeaten. If you read all the thread you will see I gave Max Schmeling 10/10. My opionions are unbiased. If you disagree do your own ratings or shut up.

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I'd argue you're being too generous Missy ;)

I think Joe Louis could STILL give Joe Calzaghe his worst ever beating!

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Originally Posted by scousekilla

I will never respect Joe for the simple reason he spent the most part of his prime career avoiding the only other SMW that mattered: Sven Ottke.

Ottke would have made Joe's 0 disappear and JC knew this, which is why he spent his career tap dancing around a talentless Lacy, an ancient Roy Jones & a green & overhyped Kessler.

At least Joe Louis stepped up to the plate and fought the best his division had to offer.

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...If you are NOT joking then I think an immediate and permenant banning is in order (j/k of course)...SVENN OTTKE?!?!?!

REALLY?!?!

I mean I think Joe should have fought the guy but come on...Svenn Ottke....that's like ripping RJJ for never fighting Michalczewski

Remind me how great Mundine was again :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by miles

Joe Calzaghe beats any fighter in the history of boxing at any weight, except for Manny Pac.

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:-\ he was given a gift against B-Hop, so dont' see how he beats any fighter in the history of boxing at any weight

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Calzaghe had an off night, but still outworked BHop quite handily IMO.

The post you are quoting was tongue in cheek anyway, so I should have used this smiley :p with it.

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... quite handily my ass.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

:-\ he was given a gift against B-Hop, so dont' see how he beats any fighter in the history of boxing at any weight

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Calzaghe had an off night, but still outworked BHop quite handily IMO.

The post you are quoting was tongue in cheek anyway, so I should have used this smiley :p with it.

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... quite handily my ass.

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Calzaghe at lightheavy is completely overrated, i give him all the credit in the world for what he did at super middle but he was given a gift win against B-Hop and then beat up an old shot Roy Jones

Listen I was a Calzaghe fan the last few years of his reign...For most of it I thought he was the MOST protected fighter in the last 25 yrs but he came on strong in the end, jumping up a division etc

With that being said....
Joe Calzaghe could not wipe the ss of Joe Louis....This is a late April fools thread I am hoping...Calzaghe defended an ABC version of a title (The least regarded one at that) in his back yard 90% of the time....As for quality of oppopnents and the quickness to downgrade louis caliber lets review some of Joes again...

Peter Manfredo....:rolleyes:
Kabary Salem,,,,:confused:,,,,,Exactly

Tocker Pudwill...His previous 4 opponents before he faced Calzaghe were on 6 bout losing streaks..:-\

Rick Thornberry...The last 6 opponents Thornberry defeated before Calzaghe faced him had the records of..5-26, 18-23, 1-0, 5-17, 0-2, 6-3....How the hell did they even give the guy a title shot???

Some of these guys belonged no where near a world title shot...Or even on the undercard of a title bout!!!!

And the more credible names like Mario Veit, Byron Mitchell, Sakio Bika and Jeff Lacey were/are either over hyped or Top 10 Super Middleweight in the Divisions weakest era....

Like I said I am not trying to Dog Joe because I am a fan but lets be serious...His resume up until he fought Kessler was anything but Stellar with the exception of Eubank

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Originally Posted by miles

Joe Calzaghe beats any fighter in the history of boxing at any weight, except for Manny Pac.

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Except. for...(And I assume Prime vs Prime condition)

Henry Armstrong, Ray Robinson, Archie Moore, Michael Spinks, Muhammad Ali, Lennox Lewis, Joe Louis, Roberto Duran, Marvin Hagler, Carlos Monzon, Harry Greb, Sam Langford, Benny Leonard, Willie Pep, Sandy Saddler, Billy Conn, Alexis Arguello, Floyd Mayweather Jr, Pernell Whitaker....

To name a few

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Originally Posted by SEANIE

Below is my unbiased rating of Joe Louis and Joe Calzaghe's World title opponents.

Their opponents will be rated, as they would of pre fight. There will be no retrospective rating. Each opponent will be ranked from 0 to 10.

Obviously Louis had a few more title fights than Calzaghe, but I will give and overall percentage rating average of there opposition.

If anyone disputes my ratings of each boxers opponents. Then rank them yourself and see who you think is the best champion.

Joe Louis V James Braddock. Braddock was a career light heavy who returned to boxing to make money for his family. Not a particular heavy hitter @ Light Heavy, he managed to Floor Louis in the 1st round before losing in the 8th round. I’d have to rank Braddock at this stage of his career as a suitable opponent for Louis 5/10

Joe Calzaghe V Chris Eubank. Eubank was a former WBO middle & Super Middle champion who’s only two loses had come on close decisions to Steve Collins. Calzaghe floored Eubank in the first round and pounded out a conclusive unanimous decision. I’d have to rank Eubank at this stage of his career as a suitable opponent for Calzaghe as 8/10. I was tempted to give a 9.

Joe Louis V Tommy Farr. Farr was like Braddock a light heavyweight who had gone up to Heavyweight and he managed to give Louis a tough and close fight according to two of the scorecards in a 15 round fight. I rate Farr at this stage of his career as a suitable opponent for Louis 3/10

Joe Calzaghe V Branko Sobot. Sobot was a good level European fighter whose only loss up to this point had been on points to Hacine Cherifi. Calzaghe stopped him in the 3rd round for an easy first defence. I rate Sobot at this stage of his career as a suitable opponent for Calzaghe 7/10

Joe Louis V Nathan Mann. Mann was a pretty average heavyweight who had suffered four loses to not so great heavyweights. What he was doing in a world title fight is beyond me. I rate Mann at this stage of his career as a suitable opponent for Louis 3/10

Joe Calzaghe V Juan Carlos Giminez Ferreyra. Giminez was a former three times World title challenger and had never previously been stopped. He had lost his major fights by a fairly large point’s margin. I rate Giminez at this stage of his career as a suitable opponent for Calzaghe 6/10

Joe Louis V Harry Thomas. Prior to challenging Louis Thomas had lost two of his previous four bouts one by stoppage. He would in my book be rated a very unworthy challenger for the title. I rate Thomas at this stage of his career as a suitable opponent for Louis 2/10

Joe Calzaghe V Robin Reid. Reid was a former WBC champ who had lost his title to the tricky Thulani Malinga. Since the Malinga loss Reid had one win. Reid managed to take Calzaghe to a split decision. I rate Reid at this stage of his career as a suitable opponent for Calzaghe 7/10

Joe Louis V Max Schmeling. Schmeling had previous koed Louis in 10 rounds and was undefeated since. This is Louis first defence were the standard of his opposition could truly be called world class. I rate Schmeling at this stage of his career as a suitable opponent for Louis 10/10. There is no way he could be ranked lower. Probably the finest win of Louis career.

Joe Calzaghe V Rick Thornberry. Thornberry had suffered two stoppage loses in his career before facing Calzaghe. He was an average fighter. I rate Thornberry at this stage of his career as a suitable opponent for Calzaghe 4/10.

Joe Louis V John Henry Lewis. Lewis was The Light Heavyweight champion and you could argue that he was a suitable opponent for Louis. I rate Lewis at this stage of his career as a suitable opponent for Louis 5/10.

Joe Calzaghe V David Starie. Staries only previous defeat had been a stoppage defeat. He had won 8 fights since this loss before challenging Calzaghe. I rate Starie at this stage of his career as a suitable opponent for Calzaghe 5/10.

Joe Louis V Jack Roper. Roper had suffered thirteen previous KO loses before meeting Louis including 4 in the first round. At this stage of his career I can only give him 0/10. He was a truly awful title challenger.

Joe Calzaghe V Omar Sheika. Sheika was a hyped up prospect who had lost on points to English journeyman Tony Booth and had built his record on has beens and never will been’s. I rate Sheika at this stage of his career as a suitable opponent for Calzaghe 4/10.

Joe Louis V Tony Galento. Galento was a fat average heavyweight who boxed mostly average boxers throughout his career. At this stage of his career I can only give him 2/10.

Joe Calzaghe V Richie Woodhall. Woodhall was an ex WBC champ who was coming to the end of his career. He had lost his WBC title to Marcus Beyer. I rate Woodhall at this stage of his career as a suitable opponent for Calzaghe 6/10.

Joe Louis V Bob Pastor. Pastor had lost to Louis before he became champ and also lost to Nathan Mann who I rated 3/10. There for I can only give Pastor 2/10.

Joe Calzaghe V Mario Veit. Veit had padded his 30 – 0 record against bums. That said he was undefeated so I rate him at this stage of his career 6/10.

Joe Louis V Arturo Godoy. Godoy would win a few then lose. He was an ok heavyweight, but pre fight you wouldn’t have given him much chance against Louis.
I rate Godov at this stage of his career as a suitable opponent for Louis 3/10.

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I honestly thought this thread was a joke. in the words of Larry Holmes Calzaghe aint fit to carry Joe Louis jockstrap

Nice effort Seanie, the ratings are as already pointed out a bit squewiff but an effort nonetheless.

You cant try and convince people that a modern fighter is as good or better than fighters of yesteryear, it just wont fly. Whether we like to admit it or not we all cling on to this notion that fighters past were cast from different moulds. Personally I dont buy it but still find it difficult to place calzaghe PBF Hopkins ect up there with the Robinsons, Louis's ect.

No He Wasn't

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by scousekilla

I will never respect Joe for the simple reason he spent the most part of his prime career avoiding the only other SMW that mattered: Sven Ottke.

Ottke would have made Joe's 0 disappear and JC knew this, which is why he spent his career tap dancing around a talentless Lacy, an ancient Roy Jones & a green & overhyped Kessler.

At least Joe Louis stepped up to the plate and fought the best his division had to offer.

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...If you are NOT joking then I think an immediate and permenant banning is in order (j/k of course)...SVENN OTTKE?!?!?!

REALLY?!?!

I mean I think Joe should have fought the guy but come on...Svenn Ottke....that's like ripping RJJ for never fighting Michalczewski

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To be fair though Lyle Ottke would have lost to Calzaghe but he was better than all of the people he was fighting then.

No disrespect but Joe Louis does have a thing that connects him to Joe Calzaghe and that is they both fought alot of bums lets face it. I mean Joe Louis got floored by some fat out of shape bartender you know. Joe Calzaghe rematch a man he knocked out like in the first round. But regardless the other thing they have in common is that they fought and kept there belts for a long time and along the way beat some good fighters but like what some just said they are from differents eras.

Joe calzaghe 46-0-0 36 KO'S nuff said.