BrocktonBlockbuster and Britkid
havnt seen either of you guys in a long while
welcome back:cool:
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BrocktonBlockbuster and Britkid
havnt seen either of you guys in a long while
welcome back:cool:
HEY DOOT!!! YEAH ITS BEEN A WHILE. THANKS BUDDY!!! :)
As for the foul-mouthed BLegit and his other foul-mouthed (and I suspect cantankerous to say the least!) friends, .....
YES Floyd was rocked and rolled by a short counter inside right hook from Zab Judah and DID GO DOWN AND IT WAS NOT A BALANCE SHOT. (I CAN HERE THE ALMIGHTY BLEGIT SAY IT NOW!!@! I DON'T GIVE A RAT'S ARSCH 17 YEARS FIGHTING....YOU DON'T KNOW AS MUCH AS YOU SHOULD, SIR!!! PLENTY OF FIGHTERS' CHINS WERE NEVER TESTED IN THEIR CAREERS, BECAUSE OF THEIR COBRA-LIKE REFLEXES. FLOYD IS ONE OF THEM. WAKE UP, SIR.)
DeMarcus Corley had him rockin and reelin, too.
Floyd Mayweather has a weak chin at best.
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Originally Posted by miles
Khan has a terrible chin. Can't think of anyone else at that level that qualifies.
David Haye.
Suspect chin. Granted I'm not totally sold that it should be referred to as a glass jaw yet, but it is suspect.
Ronald Hearns.
Enzo and Amir are proven to put the g in glass jaw. They shouldn't qualify as suspect.
What qualifies as a glass jaw anyway? A punch can knock you down or a punch can knock you out? Many fighters get tagged and go down but then go on to win fights. Does that mean they have suspect chins?
Totally agree, Franks problem was when stunned he was a sitting duck and didnt have a clue how to tough it out, and just stood there taking bombs like they were going out of fashion.Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidThat is not true, look at all them straight clean rights he took off of Bonecrusher! The problem with Frank was when he was hit and stunned, he did not have a clue what to do; until George Francis [rip] finally programmed him to hold on for dear life! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Britkid, Lyle and Doot, I say we all 4 go out for a nice pint or 2. Problem is, Im teachin English in South Korea now!:o
Wladimir Klitchsko - He´s the fraud of frauds.
I think Paul Williams has 1 of the best chins in boxing and I think he will be able to absorb the middleweight punches well. In their 1st fight Carlos Quintana found him quite often and could not budge him and Antonio Margarito loaded gloves or not nailed him squarely and could take him out and Winky tagged him a few times 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
Just had to comment as a fan of Frank, said it here before on other posts, as above Frank just didn't know what to do when hit.Look a the stopages he had, he was sat on the ropes and was taking some full on hits and just didn't go over.So. not so much as glass jaw as a bit clueless !!Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Totally agree, Franks problem was when stunned he was a sitting duck and didnt have a clue how to tough it out, and just stood there taking bombs like they were going out of fashion.Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidThat is not true, look at all them straight clean rights he took off of Bonecrusher! The problem with Frank was when he was hit and stunned, he did not have a clue what to do; until George Francis [rip] finally programmed him to hold on for dear life! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I suspected Chris Byrd of owning a chin constructed of dry match sticks and glass....but he had a good beard.
There is no such thing as a bad chin !
what knocks you out is a variety of things !
Posture and Balance for one ! How often do you hear the term 'chinny banger'? It's all bollocks !
fighters sitting down on the punchers with their weight forward getting tagged by a counter punch normally a hook is a classic example !
Fighters with a poor defence who dont distribute their weight on the back foot and dont see the punch coming aresuckers ie front footed bully boys !
Tito, regarded as offensive but took a sustained beating from Hopkins yet didnt go down to the 12th round and yet was hit hurt and floored by the likes of Keven Lueshing early on his fights when well in the ascendancy .
Soon as Tyson started neglecting technique and boxing his way in he got harder and harder , Bruno rocked him with a big right hand early on in their fights and for a good ten seconds had him out on his feet , yet Tyson managed to take a sustained beating from Lewis without trying to get his own offense on well into his 30s.
Eye sight is also a big factor , the common myth of steeling yourself for a punch is absoloute bollocks ! What steels you is when you lessen the force of the punch by moving away or getting onto your toes .
Stregthening your neck muscles wont do fuck all for punch resistance except hurt you more , neck stregthening is for general posture, the arguement about the brain being rocked in the skull and the head whiplashing back is just the most stupid thing ive ever heard
Keeping your hands up and chin down is also the biggest load of horseshit ever , thats the quickest way to fatigue a fighter across the top of the shoulders,neck and back and anyone who teaches it is a total numptie .
If you have a peek aboo style you cant generate anypower and you dont see the punches coming and you cant move you feet if you cant move your hands
Basic principals of velocity ,torque and force . If a trucks hits a wall at 30 mph with 2 tonnes he's gonna sustain more damage that if he's travelling with half a toone.
If you dont want to get his then relax and find some POISE in the ring learn to move away from punches learn to take a small step back whenever you land the jab .
He doesn't have the best jaw for sure but it is overstated to say he's the fraud of the fraud, in the heavyweight, you just can't be champion for a couple of years with a glass jaw as one single punch would always (or almost) make the difference. THat he doesn't have a good one, I do agree, but it is good enough to be champion for a couple of years. Lennox didn't have a good jaw neither, but it wasn't made out from glass, Wlad has only the same problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Great post Adam.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
And as for PBF, he took some good shots off a very game ODLH and came out on top.
Also if he is anything like his father he will have a great punch resistance, see the Leonard fight!
I didn't say Floyd has a glass jaw, I stated that I suspect him, which I always do; He didn't get landed that flush by power punch by oscar but look at the Judah and Hatton's fights, a good jab and a good straight flush sent him reeling, perhaps it is just coincidence but in my own opinion, it is enough to raise suspicions :)Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuGreat post Adam.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
And as for PBF, he took some good shots off a very game ODLH and came out on top.
Also if he is anything like his father he will have a great punch resistance, see the Leonard fight!
Agree that in general there are many aspects to a knockout, foot placement,balance even where you're hit. Some KO's are not due to being hit on the chin but on the temple whick will cause your legs to turn to jelly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Dick Whittington
Also agree it's better to try and ride the punch than set yourself for it, setting yourself is just allowing yourself to be hit , id you ride the punch you are at least moving away from it and not taking the full force.
Have to disagree with some points though, neck training does prevent the whiplash effect of being hit in particular by a solid continuous jab which will repeatedly throw your neck back. it will also build up those muscles that can protect the carotid artery which if your hit on repeatedly can cause blurry vision and dizziness.
Develpoment of the neck muscles and the traps which are part of the back muscles can also help if being hit by a rabbit punch.
if you devlop these muscles which you say is a waste of time , you have the strength to keep your arms up and cover up your chin as most fighters do and will continue to do.Someone like Froch has been lucky to get away with the arms low style and hopefully he will continue to get away with.