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What do you think was the strong indication that Marco would have beaten Manny if the rematch have happen right away?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
ok maybe i got a little carried away there ;D lol but i honestly think that if the Barrera/Pacquiao rematch would have happened sooner, he could have beaten PacQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
he looked a lot sharper in the fights that followed, and well by the time the rematch did happen Barrera already kinda looked out of it, not shot, just he didn't look as drivenQuote:
Originally Posted by Killa From ManilaWhat do you think was the strong indication that Marco would have beaten Manny if the rematch have happen right away?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesok maybe i got a little carried away there ;D lol but i honestly think that if the Barrera/Pacquiao rematch would have happened sooner, he could have beaten PacQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
First fight: Pacquiao embarassed Barrera in front of his crowd.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshe looked a lot sharper in the fights that followed, and well by the time the rematch did happen Barrera already kinda looked out of it, not shot, just he didn't look as drivenQuote:
Originally Posted by Killa From ManilaWhat do you think was the strong indication that Marco would have beaten Manny if the rematch have happen right away?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Second fight: It was very conservative fight for Barrera, he just wanted to survive the night, and didn't really wanna engage until the late rounds where he got cut by a punch and penalized for hitting during the break.
Barrera didn't look that sharp to me against Juarez 1. He just boxed well in Juarez 2, that's pretty much it. Barrera was never a threat to Pacquiao because of their styles.
he looked plenty sharp in the Juarez rematch, boxed beautifully using his jab and straight rightQuote:
Originally Posted by Killa From ManilaFirst fight: Pacquiao embarassed Barrera in front of his crowd.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshe looked a lot sharper in the fights that followed, and well by the time the rematch did happen Barrera already kinda looked out of it, not shot, just he didn't look as drivenQuote:
Originally Posted by Killa From Manila
Second fight: It was very conservative fight for Barrera, he just wanted to survive the night, and didn't really wanna engage until the late rounds where he got cut by a punch and penalized for hitting during the break.
Barrera didn't look that sharp to me against Juarez 1. He just boxed well in Juarez 2, that's pretty much it. Barrera was never a threat to Pacquiao because of their styles.
Elterrible, I said that PAcquia-Marquez I and II were close. Its people who say Pacquiao was dominated from the fourth round on that are full of shit. The second fight was close as well and very even, but there is just no way in my mind that Marquez could have won that, people give him the first round but Pacquiao landed twice as many punches in that round as Marquez did. I can definitely see a draw without the knockdown, but having Marquez ahead by 2 rounds without hte knockdown is mysterious to me.
Also Barrera was dominated the entire fight against PAcquiao except the first round but even there he got credited a knockdown in a situation where he didn't land a punch. It wouldn't have mattered when they fought, Barrera doesn't have Morales chin and he would have been taken out because PAcquiao only got better and still just as ferocious up until the second MOrales fight where he really started improving on his defense and balance.
Also Morales beat Pacquiao the first night, but it was highly competitive and they both took a lot of punches, I am not saying it wasn't unanimous, but winning by 2 rounds means its a close fight.
How did OScar look poor against Forbes? He neglected defense because he didn't need it due to FOrbes' lack of power, but he was throwing his jab beautifully, he was light on his feet, he was throwing good combinations. IMO he looked as good as he did when he KO'ed Mayorga 10x more impressively than Mosley did.
Forbes has great defensively skills, and is impossible to hurt, how can you expect Oscar to look exceptional against that? He had his speed, his desire to win, he showed stamina and a right hand.
I shouldn't have said people who think Marquez won against Pacquiao are delusional, but I get criticized for being a called fan boy because I think both fights were scored appropriately, yet people who have Marquez winning both fights aren't criticized at all even though Pacquiao in more eyes than not won the second fight. THe first fight htere was room for controversy, but the second fight IMO Pacquiao won a razor thin victory by a larger margin on the scorecard than the fight would have indicated because of hte knockdown.
Juarez isn't Pacquaio, Marquez dominated Juarez, but he couldn't dominate Pacquiao. Pacquiao had speed which Juarez didn't have, and Barrera was a little slower than Marquez who was just quick enough to capatalize on Manny's technical flaws.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshe looked plenty sharp in the Juarez rematch, boxed beautifully using his jab and straight rightQuote:
Originally Posted by Killa From ManilaFirst fight: Pacquiao embarassed Barrera in front of his crowd.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Second fight: It was very conservative fight for Barrera, he just wanted to survive the night, and didn't really wanna engage until the late rounds where he got cut by a punch and penalized for hitting during the break.
Barrera didn't look that sharp to me against Juarez 1. He just boxed well in Juarez 2, that's pretty much it. Barrera was never a threat to Pacquiao because of their styles.
To be fair, both Barrera and Pac looked pretty poor in the second fight. Neither fighter was willing to engage. If Barrera really wanted to he could have made a fight of that. Pac was not himself whatsoever in that fight. Barrera was seemingly going through the motions himself though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killa From ManilaFirst fight: Pacquiao embarassed Barrera in front of his crowd.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshe looked a lot sharper in the fights that followed, and well by the time the rematch did happen Barrera already kinda looked out of it, not shot, just he didn't look as drivenQuote:
Originally Posted by Killa From Manila
Second fight: It was very conservative fight for Barrera, he just wanted to survive the night, and didn't really wanna engage until the late rounds where he got cut by a punch and penalized for hitting during the break.
Barrera didn't look that sharp to me against Juarez 1. He just boxed well in Juarez 2, that's pretty much it. Barrera was never a threat to Pacquiao because of their styles.
A horrible fight to watch. I would never have expected it to be so dull.
Pacquiao controlled the whole fight and to my surprise actually outboxed Barrera, he showed better timing was the better counter puncher of the two and landed his left a number times both behind the jab and as a lead. I think Pacquiao let loose a few times after Barrera threw a flurry but usually kept a more level headed approach because he was finding it so easy to outbox Barrera.
Pac pretty much shut Barrera down. A classic performance. I was surprised there was a rematch. I didn't think Barrera had a gameplan to implement for victory... especially after losing to Marquez(although a very very competitive fight). THEN IT WAS PPV!!! BULLSH*T!Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
What (Teath) said above
I am sorry, but when people like ElTerrible start saying Pacquiao is probably the most proven fighter of this generation in terms of competition the outcome of his fight doesn't have the credentials to be considered great I find it laughable. He's beaten 4 guys who have all been in the top 5 p4p for an extended period of time.
i know Pacquiao isn't Juarez, but Barrera seemed willing to fight there in the rematch from the get go he seemed tentative to actually FIGHT, and it wasn't so much due to Pacquiao's boxing ability so much to the fact that Barrera didn't really seem driven, i'm not saying that Pacquiao wouldn't of beat him either way, but i think Barrera would have put on a better performance if the rematch would have happended earlierQuote:
Originally Posted by TaethJuarez isn't Pacquaio, Marquez dominated Juarez, but he couldn't dominate Pacquiao. Pacquiao had speed which Juarez didn't have, and Barrera was a little slower than Marquez who was just quick enough to capatalize on Manny's technical flaws.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshe looked plenty sharp in the Juarez rematch, boxed beautifully using his jab and straight rightQuote:
Originally Posted by Killa From Manila
exactly what i thought, both fighters kinda didn't seem motivatedQuote:
Originally Posted by milesTo be fair, both Barrera and Pac looked pretty poor in the second fight. Neither fighter was willing to engage. If Barrera really wanted to he could have made a fight of that. Pac was not himself whatsoever in that fight. Barrera was seemingly going through the motions himself though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killa From ManilaFirst fight: Pacquiao embarassed Barrera in front of his crowd.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Second fight: It was very conservative fight for Barrera, he just wanted to survive the night, and didn't really wanna engage until the late rounds where he got cut by a punch and penalized for hitting during the break.
Barrera didn't look that sharp to me against Juarez 1. He just boxed well in Juarez 2, that's pretty much it. Barrera was never a threat to Pacquiao because of their styles.
A horrible fight to watch. I would never have expected it to be so dull.
There was nothing Barrera could do, Pacquiao was too fast for him to react to. In the first fight, Pacquiao beat the shit out of Barrera, in the second fight he stayed on the outside and used in and out movement and Barrera couldn't time him, it wasn't orthodox boxing, but in his own style Pacquiao was able to control the pace of the fight and land most of the meaningful punches that IMO is outboxing the opponent. Barrera to his credit fought well enough that Pacquiao wasn't engaging the same way he did in the first fight, but I think part of that was because Manny didn't have to.