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Never get why Vargas gets crap even after his loses he still went at it with all he had he was youngest guy win the lmw title i believe. Not only taht he had good wins including a win over Wright and there is no shame in losing to Mosley, Tito, and Oscar because he was competive to. He acompished alot i think and even after he lost he still fought with heart.
I believe the undefeated Vargas who fought Trinidad would have beaten ODH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
I think that's BS he fought with all the heart in the world against Oscar, its just Oscar was too good of a boxer for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Dick Whittington
Probably, he was rushed into the big fights too soon, I think he needed a bit more time to mature as a fighter before he went anywhere near Tito.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI believe the undefeated Vargas who fought Trinidad would have beaten ODH.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethI think that's BS he fought with all the heart in the world against Oscar, its just Oscar was too good of a boxer for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Dick Whittington
I dont know about that Vargas lost to Trinidad that Oscar boxed circles around and should got the fucking decsion why he didnt well never know.
Sorry. He may have "fought his heart out" against Oscar, but he wasn't the same fighter AFTER Tito. You may recall... he was floored quite easily and put on queer street by the lightly regarded Wilfredo Rivera (also from PR) in a fight shortly after the Tito fight. Had Wilfredo taken advantage of that knockdown, he'd have given Fernando his 2nd KO loss. So it was Tito who ruined Fernando, not Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethI think that's BS he fought with all the heart in the world against Oscar, its just Oscar was too good of a boxer for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Dick Whittington
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Foreman looked pretty much back to form in 76, the Young fight was the one that cost him 10 years....Quote:
Originally Posted by RozzySean
As for Nunn, I would say it was the Barkley fight was the one that began Nunn's fall, although the Toney fight was still an upset.
Zab stands out for me here, never recovered from that KO by Tszyu. He has had some good wins but generally has been disappointing since his first loss.
Meldrick Taylor comes to mind and Roy Jones Jr just couldn't come to grips with Tarver and has been average at best since.
George Foreman went awol after the Ali loss, had a good second win over Frazier but the invincibility was gone within two years and he retires at age 27?
I will be interested to see how Cotto comesback after his first loss, many fighters comeback better than ever such as Whitaker, Tszyu and more recently Darchinyan. I think the jury is still out on Hatton. A lot of this fight game is pyschological and it all depends on how you prepare yourself physically and more importantly approach your next fight mentally. Zab for example just hasn't coped well at all.
agreed, but you gotta admit Vargas lost a little more of himself after every lossQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanSorry. He may have "fought his heart out" against Oscar, but he wasn't the same fighter AFTER Tito. You may recall... he was floored quite easily and put on queer street by the lightly regarded Wilfredo Rivera (also from PR) in a fight shortly after the Tito fight. Had Wilfredo taken advantage of that knockdown, he'd have given Fernando his 2nd KO loss. So it was Tito who ruined Fernando, not Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethI think that's BS he fought with all the heart in the world against Oscar, its just Oscar was too good of a boxer for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Dick Whittington
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Great call... here can't believe no one else listed him.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Lightly regarded? You ain't seen much of Rivera have you? Rivera was a very good fighter. If there was any justice in the world he would of got that win against Pernell Whitaker. He deserved it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanSorry. He may have "fought his heart out" against Oscar, but he wasn't the same fighter AFTER Tito. You may recall... he was floored quite easily and put on queer street by the lightly regarded Wilfredo Rivera (also from PR) in a fight shortly after the Tito fight. Had Wilfredo taken advantage of that knockdown, he'd have given Fernando his 2nd KO loss. So it was Tito who ruined Fernando, not Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethI think that's BS he fought with all the heart in the world against Oscar, its just Oscar was too good of a boxer for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Dick Whittington
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Maybe he was never meant to be....and he certainly was noy emulating his father
But Dario Galindez :o Jeezus,talk about how quickly an undefeated career can take a permanent nose dive:shinner:
just reminded me Corey Spinks, in fact any of the Spinks.
Gotta admit... I never saw much of Rivera. I know he came up short in his bigger fights (DLH, Mosley, Vargas). I never did see either of his fights against Whitaker. His career being pretty much parallel to Trinidad's, he was often overlooked here in PR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseLightly regarded? You ain't seen much of Rivera have you? Rivera was a very good fighter. If there was any justice in the world he would of got that win against Pernell Whitaker. He deserved it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanSorry. He may have "fought his heart out" against Oscar, but he wasn't the same fighter AFTER Tito. You may recall... he was floored quite easily and put on queer street by the lightly regarded Wilfredo Rivera (also from PR) in a fight shortly after the Tito fight. Had Wilfredo taken advantage of that knockdown, he'd have given Fernando his 2nd KO loss. So it was Tito who ruined Fernando, not Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
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Rey "Bum Bum" Bautista
Agree a bit on Taylor and Roy, but can't agree at all on Zab, Hatton & Foreman. Yes, it was a shocking KO for Zab, but its not like he didn't become the real welterweight champ of the world after that, which doesn't identify a fighter who was 'never the same'. Same with Foreman, he would have the win over Moorer and he beat Frazier badly again. I think saying he folded is going way too far, it's just Ali exposed how to beat him. Also Ricky has more than enough excuses in his own mind for his loss, even if they are mostly bollocks, for him to be over it. Should Pac batter him than I think he may well be finished, because the welterweight, Joe Cortez & 'it was Floyd Mayweather' lines won't work any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
The one fighter who really sticks out is Don Curry, and of current fighters who I think it may have got are the obvious ones like Cotto & Pavlik, and also Katsidis, I think the Casamayor fight may have screwed him up in the sense of knowing he can't simply outslug the best fighter. He's still an exciting fighter, but he's no longer as dominating as I thought he'd be