Re: Hatton - Pacman - Who gets the most Credit for the win?
I think that it is a win-win situation, if Hatton wins, they will say that the defeat against FLoyd was not representative of his talent and that this victory just shows how the Hitman is talented, if PAcman wins, they will say that it is just another proof of his greatness, perhaps the defeat would be easier on Pac's side as he could have the "size" excuse and that Hatton wasn't depleted by a wrong diet like Oscar was but in case of victory, I don't think that one would have more credit than the other, I really see it as more or less equal.
Re: Hatton - Pacman - Who gets the most Credit for the win?
Who gets the most credit? Hmmm... tough question, this one. Let's see... I guess my answer would be........
Pacman, of course!!!!!
C'mon... are you serious?!?!? I don't care HOW much Hatton fans want to build this up as a fight that will vault Hatton to #1 p4p should he win. IT SHOULDN'T. Do the math. Hatton's natural fighting weight for most if not all of his career has been 140 pounds. Pac came up from way below that. What's there to argue? Because Pac destroyed an old and miscalculating De La Hoya, who was looking for an easy payday and legacy-making fight? So the hell what?!? DLH must have surprised himself with how flat he came out, how he had nothing left. All the credit in the world to Pac, 'cause of course he didn't know this (that DLH was washed up) BEFORE the fight, and took it anyway. And Pac DID look better at his higher weight than most fighters look when they jump so much. But don't get carried away. Hatton is NOT washed up, and is probably licking his chops at the prospect of adding the undersized Pac to his trophies.
Now if PAC should win.......well, that's another story altogether.
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Re: Hatton - Pacman - Who gets the most Credit for the win?
From a Hatton fan point of view I would have to say Pacman would get more respect for a win. he is fighting the more natural man at the weight and it would be a contradiction for Hatton fans to say anything else IMO.
Hatton won't get the same credit for beating a smaller man regardless of being the P4P best, he will get credit for being the best in this division and will shut people up for saying he was done.
overall a bigger achievement for Pac to win, but if he gets sparked don't come on saying oh well he wasn't at his natural weight etc etc . No excuses you take the fight you take the result.
Re: Hatton - Pacman - Who gets the most Credit for the win?
I would have to say it would work equally both ways.
Pac is the man who the majority of writers are picking and who is being backed at the bookies. He has also fought at WW and beat a faded modern great. If Hatton overturns that then he deserves full credit.
But having said that, I think Pacs recent step up is all smoke and mirrors and am convinced that Hatton will take this. Hatton has reigned at 140 for a long time and seems to be rejuvinated. He should really beat a man who was only a year ago getting his backside kicked at 130.
Re: Hatton - Pacman - Who gets the most Credit for the win?
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miles
I would have to say it would work equally both ways.
Pac is the man who the majority of writers are picking and who is being backed at the bookies. He has also fought at WW and beat a faded modern great. If Hatton overturns that then he deserves full credit.
But having said that, I think Pacs recent step up is all smoke and mirrors and am convinced that Hatton will take this. Hatton has reigned at 140 for a long time and seems to be rejuvinated. He should really beat a man who was only a year ago getting his backside kicked at 130.
I respect you miles... but you seem to be contradicting yourself a bit here. On the one hand, Hatton "deserves full credit". On the other, he admittedly should beat a man who "only a year ago was getting his backside kicked at 130."
Also, basing your "deserves full credit" argument on the fact that some writers back Pacquiao is a bit of flawed logic, if you ask me. Fact of the matter is... some writers are "bandwagon-ish" and wouldn't be able to pick a winner correctly in a fight between Wlad Klitschko and Ivan Calderon.
;)
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miles
I would have to say it would work equally both ways.
Pac is the man who the majority of writers are picking and who is being backed at the bookies. He has also fought at WW and beat a faded modern great. If Hatton overturns that then he deserves full credit.
But having said that, I think Pacs recent step up is all smoke and mirrors and am convinced that Hatton will take this. Hatton has reigned at 140 for a long time and seems to be rejuvinated. He should really beat a man who was only a year ago getting his backside kicked at 130.
I respect you miles... but you seem to be contradicting yourself a bit here. On the one hand, Hatton "deserves full credit". On the other, he admittedly should beat a man who "only a year ago was getting his backside kicked at 130."
Also, basing your "deserves full credit" argument on the fact that some writers back Pacquiao is a bit of flawed logic, if you ask me. Fact of the matter is... some writers are "bandwagon-ish" and wouldn't be able to pick a winner correctly in a fight between Wlad Klitschko and Ivan Calderon.
;)
Yeah, there is an obvious contradiction there and it was intended, though not worded very well. What I should be saying is that all the naysayers owe Hatton their dues when he overcomes all of these "overwhelming odds". But my own opinion is that Hatton should do a number on Pac, so I don't think I will need to be eating humble pie.
It's not a foregone conclusion, but Hatton should really be beating the shite out of Manny. But Manny has that speed and could make it tricky.
Yes, I seem to be annoyed by the writers for acting like they are. It's echoes of Calzaghe: Lacy in that its the US writers are seemingly overlooking Hattons obvious credentials and tools to take this.
Re: Hatton - Pacman - Who gets the most Credit for the win?
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miles
I would have to say it would work equally both ways.
Pac is the man who the majority of writers are picking and who is being backed at the bookies. He has also fought at WW and beat a faded modern great. If Hatton overturns that then he deserves full credit.
But having said that, I think Pacs recent step up is all smoke and mirrors and am convinced that Hatton will take this. Hatton has reigned at 140 for a long time and seems to be rejuvinated. He should really beat a man who was only a year ago getting his backside kicked at 130.
With a bit of hindsight it could go each way, as you say with Pac being the big favourite amongst tipsters and bookies then if Hatton does win he should get some credit.
Although WHEN he wins I can see it being a hiding to nothing for Hatton, everyone will flip flop on what they said and start admiting that the ODLH result was marred and that Pac was at the wrong weight, and a truckload of other excuses to take away from Hatton, they will all need to remember it was there in black and white so man up and accept the better man won.
Re: Hatton - Pacman - Who gets the most Credit for the win?
Hatton will get credit if he wins since he's clearly the underdog here...
PAC will get more credit if he wins even if he's the favorite because this fight will significantly enhance PAC legacy... If PAC will be victorious, he will capture his 4th lineal title (112, 126, 130, 140) and also becomes a 6 division titliest (112, 122, 126, 130, 135, 140)... It's one hell of a boxing accomplishment...
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Re: Hatton - Pacman - Who gets the most Credit for the win?
was just about to post after reading exactly the same story in the Ring
Am stunned that 17 of the 20 'experts' pick Manny - and only UK ones go for Hatton.
If Manny wins he cements his ranking as #1, if Hatton wins he goes to about 4 or 5 in my book
As far as I am concerned Hatton is favourite here
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SaddoBoxer
Hatton will get credit if he wins since he's clearly the underdog here...
PAC will get more credit if he wins even if he's the favorite because this fight will significantly enhance PAC legacy... If PAC will be victorious, he will capture his 4th lineal title (112, 126, 130, 140) and also becomes a 6 division titliest (112, 122, 126, 130, 135, 140)... It's one hell of a boxing accomplishment...
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Damn right buddy,... damn right.
Hatton is stuck at 140. :vd::rotflmao:
Sad but true.
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Killa From Manila
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SaddoBoxer
Hatton will get credit if he wins since he's clearly the underdog here...
PAC will get more credit if he wins even if he's the favorite because this fight will significantly enhance PAC legacy... If PAC will be victorious, he will capture his 4th lineal title (112, 126, 130, 140) and also becomes a 6 division titliest (112, 122, 126, 130, 135, 140)... It's one hell of a boxing accomplishment...
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Damn right buddy,... damn right.
Hatton is stuck at 140. :vd::rotflmao:
Sad but true.
Like Kelly Pavlik is stuck at 160 ? Cuz when he went up he looked pretty bad ? That is one beyond garbage statement.
Let's remember Hatton is a previous world champion at welterweight, 147. Something Pac will and never can do.
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leftylee
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Killa From Manila
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SaddoBoxer
Hatton will get credit if he wins since he's clearly the underdog here...
PAC will get more credit if he wins even if he's the favorite because this fight will significantly enhance PAC legacy... If PAC will be victorious, he will capture his 4th lineal title (112, 126, 130, 140) and also becomes a 6 division titliest (112, 122, 126, 130, 135, 140)... It's one hell of a boxing accomplishment...
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Damn right buddy,... damn right.
Hatton is stuck at 140. :vd::rotflmao:
Sad but true.
Like Kelly Pavlik is stuck at 160 ? Cuz when he went up he looked pretty bad ? That is one beyond garbage statement.
Let's remember Hatton is a previous world champion at welterweight, 147.
Something Pac will and never can do.
Don't jump to conclusion coz you don't know that yet. Plus, Hatton didn't conquer that division so I wouldn't call it a success for him. He got KTFO in that weight class, he's got nowhere else to go, and that's why he crawled back to 140 like a lil' biitch. ;) FACT.
Re: Hatton - Pacman - Who gets the most Credit for the win?
Pac Man cannot compete at the highest level at Welterweight, same as Hatton. He would not be able to deal with the elites in that division.
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THE BOXING GOD
Manny gets the most credit,another division conquered
Are you saying Pac's win over ODLH means he conquered the 147 division and his win over Diaz means he conquered the 135 division?
A simple yes or no will do
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THE BOXING GOD
I clearly said another division conquered meaning the 140 division don't put words in my mouth,its not the 1st division he's conquered,and I clearly said he still has a CHANCE to conquer the 147 class obviously meaning that beating oscar did not mean he accomplished that
No, what you clearly said was;
"Manny gets the most credit,another division conquered"
Can you simply list the divisions you think he has conquered if you can't give me a straight yes or no?:rolleyes:
