IF Hatton beats Pacqauio does that mean he will be P4P #1?

I can cerainly see the argument for putting him at number 1.

He'll have beaten 3 top ten fighters in the last 4 years (tszyu #2/3, Castillo was at number 10 when the fight was made, maybe slipped down a few places when the fight took place and Pac is number 1)

The problem with saying he'd be outside the top 3 is the fact that you'd be hard pushed to put 3 fighters ahead of him. Pac would lose stock with a loss, JMM has lost and drawn with Pac, Hopkins has recently lost altho he looked exceptional beating Pavlik and Tarver, Mosely deserves props for his win against Margarito, but has lost to Cotto who lost to Margarito....argh! Vasquez has been inactive, so has Rafael Marquez.

At the minute i think a lot have him anywhere between 7-11 but that's with including 2 inactive fighters in Rafa Marquez and Israel Vasquez.

When i compiled my p4p ratings i ommited Marquez and Vasquez due to inactivity so in turn Hatton moved up a few places. A win over pacman would most likely move him up another 2/3 places.

I'd probably side with Mick who has him at #2 behind Marquez but again i wouldn't argue with anybody having Hatton at #1. Techincally he is probably a level below the guys around him but the fact is he has wins over Tszyu, Castillo, Malignaggi, Urango, Collazo and if he were to win he'd have one over Pacman.

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Originally Posted by ono

I can cerainly see the argument for putting him at number 1.

He'll have beaten 3 top ten fighters in the last 4 years (tszyu #2/3, Castillo was at number 10 when the fight was made, maybe slipped down a few places when the fight took place and Pac is number 1)

The problem with saying he'd be outside the top 3 is the fact that you'd be hard pushed to put 3 fighters ahead of him. Pac would lose stock with a loss, JMM has lost and drawn with Pac, Hopkins has recently lost altho he looked exceptional beating Pavlik and Tarver, Mosely deserves props for his win against Margarito, but has lost to Cotto who lost to Margarito....argh! Vasquez has been inactive, so has Rafael Marquez.

At the minute i think a lot have him anywhere between 7-11 but that's with including 2 inactive fighters in Rafa Marquez and Israel Vasquez.

When i compiled my p4p ratings i ommited Marquez and Vasquez due to inactivity so in turn Hatton moved up a few places. A win over pacman would most likely move him up another 2/3 places.

I'd probably side with Mick who has him at #2 behind Marquez but again i wouldn't argue with anybody having Hatton at #1. Techincally he is probably a level below the guys around him but the fact is he has wins over Tszyu, Castillo, Malignaggi, Urango, Collazo and if he were to win he'd have one over Pacman.

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what difference does it make? if all goes as planned and Mayweather does come out of retirement, he'll be #1 again by the end of the year ;D lol

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by ono

I can cerainly see the argument for putting him at number 1.

He'll have beaten 3 top ten fighters in the last 4 years (tszyu #2/3, Castillo was at number 10 when the fight was made, maybe slipped down a few places when the fight took place and Pac is number 1)

The problem with saying he'd be outside the top 3 is the fact that you'd be hard pushed to put 3 fighters ahead of him. Pac would lose stock with a loss, JMM has lost and drawn with Pac, Hopkins has recently lost altho he looked exceptional beating Pavlik and Tarver, Mosely deserves props for his win against Margarito, but has lost to Cotto who lost to Margarito....argh! Vasquez has been inactive, so has Rafael Marquez.

At the minute i think a lot have him anywhere between 7-11 but that's with including 2 inactive fighters in Rafa Marquez and Israel Vasquez.

When i compiled my p4p ratings i ommited Marquez and Vasquez due to inactivity so in turn Hatton moved up a few places. A win over pacman would most likely move him up another 2/3 places.

I'd probably side with Mick who has him at #2 behind Marquez but again i wouldn't argue with anybody having Hatton at #1. Techincally he is probably a level below the guys around him but the fact is he has wins over Tszyu, Castillo, Malignaggi, Urango, Collazo and if he were to win he'd have one over Pacman.

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what difference does it make? if all goes as planned and Mayweather does come out of retirement, he'll be #1 again by the end of the year ;D lol

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I was actually thinking that when i was typing it. I was also thinking i think pac will win anyway.

I haven't done a top ten in ages, I'm not totally sure Hatton would be in it right now if I did one but either way if he was he'd be bottom third so a Pac win would move him top five probably but definitely not number 1.

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Originally Posted by ono

I can cerainly see the argument for putting him at number 1.

He'll have beaten 3 top ten fighters in the last 4 years (tszyu #2/3, Castillo was at number 10 when the fight was made, maybe slipped down a few places when the fight took place and Pac is number 1)

The problem with saying he'd be outside the top 3 is the fact that you'd be hard pushed to put 3 fighters ahead of him. Pac would lose stock with a loss, JMM has lost and drawn with Pac, Hopkins has recently lost altho he looked exceptional beating Pavlik and Tarver, Mosely deserves props for his win against Margarito, but has lost to Cotto who lost to Margarito....argh! Vasquez has been inactive, so has Rafael Marquez.

At the minute i think a lot have him anywhere between 7-11 but that's with including 2 inactive fighters in Rafa Marquez and Israel Vasquez.

When i compiled my p4p ratings i ommited Marquez and Vasquez due to inactivity so in turn Hatton moved up a few places. A win over pacman would most likely move him up another 2/3 places.

I'd probably side with Mick who has him at #2 behind Marquez but again i wouldn't argue with anybody having Hatton at #1. Techincally he is probably a level below the guys around him but the fact is he has wins over Tszyu, Castillo, Malignaggi, Urango, Collazo and if he were to win he'd have one over Pacman.

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I agree, I see both sides of the argument, most guys in the top 10 have recent losses so it's difficult (if Hatton wins) to keep him out of the top 3 as there aren't that many stand outs. However beating Pac doesn't put him above Pac as he is a much larger guy, beating Pac in December wouldn't have put Oscar in the top 5 so it shouldn't for Ricky.

Neither does it put his achievements above Marquez's, maybe the aging Casa and Juan Diaz weren't truly elite fighters, but they were both top 3 (with Campbell) at lightweight straight after moving up, it would be similar in acheivement if Hatton went up and KO'ed Berto and Clottey, something not even his diehard looney fans would expect.

Casamayor was at the top of the division because he ko'ed an overrated Katsidis, and Juan Diaz is pretty good, but he lost to Campbell and gave Marquez a hell of a fight, he's pretty good, but he shouldn't be giving Marquez that type of fight.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

If Hatton beats Pac he becomes #2.

1. JMM
2. Hatton :o
3.Pac


If Pac beats Hatton then Pac becomes #1.

1. Pac
2. JMM


Of course this is just MY opinion. I currently have JMM as #1

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Hatton jumping to # 2 p4p for beating an undersized Pacquaio? Say it ain't so, Mick.

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Think I would put him about #4/5 if he beats Pac

But if he wins he has to go above Pac - so does that mean Pac drops to number 6 ?? No way will Pac drop that for.

It's a tough one - and where does PBF go when he announces his return (has that happened yet ? thought it was supposed to be yesterday he announced it but not seen owt on news)

Tomorrow morning I will give it some more thought ;)

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Also you keep on hating on David Diaz, but didn't he beat that Santa Cruz who by all accounts got robbed against Casamayor?

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didn't a shot Morales beat Diaz and got robbed?

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

If Hatton beats Pac he becomes #2.

1. JMM
2. Hatton :o
3.Pac


If Pac beats Hatton then Pac becomes #1.

1. Pac
2. JMM


Of course this is just MY opinion. I currently have JMM as #1

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Hatton jumping to # 2 p4p for beating an undersized Pacquaio? Say it ain't so, Mick.

:(

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Hatton was beaten by an "undersized" Mayweather, and should be given full credit if he beats Pacquiao, Trinidad was given credit for beating the undersized Mayorga, same will go for Berto if he beats Urango, and basically same crap happened when Khan beat Barrera, but yea i rank Hatton #5 if he beats Pacquiao, push Manny down to #3, JMM to #1, and B-Hop to #2

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Originally Posted by Mark TKO

Think I would put him about #4/5 if he beats Pac

But if he wins he has to go above Pac - so does that mean Pac drops to number 6 ?? No way will Pac drop that for.

It's a tough one - and where does PBF go when he announces his return (has that happened yet ? thought it was supposed to be yesterday he announced it but not seen owt on news)

Tomorrow morning I will give it some more thought ;)

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Does he? did Maxim suddenly become the GOAT p4per cos he beat SRR?

Pac is currently a 4 division champ who started out at 106 lbs. That means Ricky should be a champ at welter, junior middle and middle to best PAC's accomplishments. If Ricky beats Paul Williams at 154 and 160 lbs yes he is P4P number1.

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

If Hatton beats Pac he becomes #2.

1. JMM
2. Hatton :o
3.Pac


If Pac beats Hatton then Pac becomes #1.

1. Pac
2. JMM


Of course this is just MY opinion. I currently have JMM as #1

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Hatton jumping to # 2 p4p for beating an undersized Pacquaio? Say it ain't so, Mick.

:(

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Ok, this post left me totally confused. :cwm3:
Hatton was beaten by an "undersized" Mayweather, and should be given full credit if he beats Pacquiao (ok... he was beaten by the undersized Mayweather, so he should be given full credit for beating the undersized Pacquaio? WTF?), Trinidad was given credit for beating the undersized Mayorga,(Mayorga AND Trinidad both were out of their best weights when they fought at 160... example denied) same will go for Berto if he beats Urango, and basically same crap happened when Khan beat Barrera, but yea i rank Hatton #5 if he beats Pacquiao,(ok... at least you're not putting him at # 1, which is of course what I'm arguing against. I'm my personal opinion, I'd leave his exactly where he is now... 7 is it?) push Manny down to #3, JMM to #1, and B-Hop to #2

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Uhhhh... see my comments above.

Re: IF Hatton beats Pacqauio does that mean he will be P4P #1?

Well... look at this way. At least THIS question has been put to bed. NOW the question becomes: If he DOESN'T retire, how far down the p4p list does he drop? My personal opinion, out of the top 20 for sure.