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So what's the difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
PBF is the bigger boxer here and he's having all the tangible advantages over JMM...Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepAnd how is that different than what Team Mayweather is doing?Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
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JMM could be a special fighter if he overcomes the heavy odds and defeat PBF... Team JMM is also composed of special persons for allowing this much disadvantage to take place... Team JMM made a horrendous mistake before for having JMM fight the slick champion Chris John in John's hometurf for cheap change... Hope they will not have the same horrible result this time around (the much much bigger PBF knocking out JMM)...Quote:
Originally Posted by KelI have got nothing wrong and I am not defending the wrong guy. Well done for giving JMM his props it must have taken a lot out of you, he sure is a special fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerYou got it wrong and you're defending the wrong guy... Props to JMM for agreeing (or was he forced to agree) to fight at 147... But how about PBF?? :confused: PBF already has all the tangible advantages over JMM if the fight is made at 143 and how much more at 147?? PBF is making a joke to us fight fans... He's already a 4 to 1 favorite to defeat JMM at 143 and then he still allowed this fight to have a limit of 147 which in effect will give him huge advantage in the size department... JMM was only fighting at 140 on the night of his last fight...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
First I consider this match-up as a tune up fight for PBF, now it becomes a joke tune-up fight...
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"Floyd Mayweather - Juan Manuel Marquez Will Be Fought At 147!"
Not according to Dan Rafael.... It's at a maximum weight of 144 pounds.
The drawing power of HBO's "24/7" lives up to its name - ESPN
He already is a special fighter. He is taking the hardest fight he could, all with no catch weight nonsense. Amazing really.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerJMM could be a special fighter if he overcomes the heavy odds and defeat PBF... Team JMM is also composed of special persons for allowing this much disadvantage to take place... Team JMM made a horrendous mistake before for having JMM fight the slick champion Chris John in John's hometurf for cheap change... Hope they will not have the same horrible result this time around (the much much bigger PBF knocking out JMM)...Quote:
Originally Posted by KelI have got nothing wrong and I am not defending the wrong guy. Well done for giving JMM his props it must have taken a lot out of you, he sure is a special fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
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I find it funny that people are making PBF sound like Valuev in this fight, the size difference is not that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerJMM could be a special fighter if he overcomes the heavy odds and defeat PBF... Team JMM is also composed of special persons for allowing this much disadvantage to take place... Team JMM made a horrendous mistake before for having JMM fight the slick champion Chris John in John's hometurf for cheap change... Hope they will not have the same horrible result this time around (the much much bigger PBF knocking out JMM)...Quote:
Originally Posted by KelI have got nothing wrong and I am not defending the wrong guy. Well done for giving JMM his props it must have taken a lot out of you, he sure is a special fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
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That's cuz Marquez has great heart. He won't be denied. It's the reason why Pac avoided a 3rd fight with him. One of the few things Mayweather and Kenny agreed on was Marquez beat Pac twice.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelMarquez is obviously not willing to be 'protected' like Pac I suppose. I don't think bigger, good opponents phase him.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerQuote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Team PAC is composed of sensible persons, they won't allow the bigger, good opponents of PAC to have all the advantages... They have to protect their boxer... :lickish:
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I think there's already a big advantage in size in favor of PBF even at 143... I've mentioned that JMM's highest fight night weight is only 140... So PBF will definitely enjoy bigger size advantage at 147...Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepI find it funny that people are making PBF sound like Valuev in this fight, the size difference is not that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerJMM could be a special fighter if he overcomes the heavy odds and defeat PBF... Team JMM is also composed of special persons for allowing this much disadvantage to take place... Team JMM made a horrendous mistake before for having JMM fight the slick champion Chris John in John's hometurf for cheap change... Hope they will not have the same horrible result this time around (the much much bigger PBF knocking out JMM)...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
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Additional advantage in size just become HUGE because it's coupled with the other advantages PBF enjoys over JMM... 5" of freaking reach advantage... PBF can just pot shot JMM and dance to decision victory with that reach advantage coz he has the skill to go with it... How about the height advantage?? The age/youth advantage?? Can you give me just one tangible advantage JMM has over PBF?? I think there's none...
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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerI think there's already a big advantage in size in favor of PBF even at 143... I've mentioned that JMM's highest fight night weight is only 140... So PBF will definitely enjoy bigger size advantage at 147...Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepI find it funny that people are making PBF sound like Valuev in this fight, the size difference is not that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Additional advantage in size just become HUGE because it's coupled with the other advantages PBF enjoys over JMM... 5" of freaking reach advantage... PBF can just pot shot JMM and dance to decision victory with that reach advantage coz he has the skill to go with it... How about the height advantage?? The age/youth advantage?? Can you give me just one tangible advantage JMM has over PBF?? I think there's none...
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hahaha got you, you just pulled stats straight off of boxrec, just as I knew you would. 72" vs 67" is armspan not reach dumbass. Yes the 1" height advantage will surely be a decided advantage and such huge differences in height are such a rarity nowadays. Age advantage? Clearly this is a factor that you would also fault PAC for.
Marquez advantages, he's been active fighting the best fighters available to him. He doesn't have to worry about ring rust.
Ouch ;D. Shite the weight aside...which I do see as relevant.Just look at the resent history for both.Marquez will debut at 140 + :vd: against a refreshed,sitting idle off long layoff Mayweather,haaaad to be in training,who last we saw was showing no effects of wear and tear or decline......Marquez has been in 3 or 4 straight harsh battles and I think his counter-sharp shooting style will be badly effected all things combined.I just cant get passed seeing him slowed,packed to tight and a bit stiff weighing anything near 140ish.He will have to play the aggressor,charge forward all night...Floyd will be the one countering.Comparitivly.....and save the Manny hater mantra....Pac brought the weight on vs. a badly drained and declined Oscar at that range.Very much want Marquez to spring the upset,he does not know the word 'cannot',one of the greats of out generation and will not just roll over nor cave.
Yes that's armspan or wingspan or reach, that's 5" reach advantage to PBF... Why do you think BoxRec labeled that thing as "reach" if it's not reach dumbass?? The one you're trying to refer at, is arm length which is in the range of 20" to maybe 28" for most boxers...Quote:
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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerI think there's already a big advantage in size in favor of PBF even at 143... I've mentioned that JMM's highest fight night weight is only 140... So PBF will definitely enjoy bigger size advantage at 147...Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Additional advantage in size just become HUGE because it's coupled with the other advantages PBF enjoys over JMM... 5" of freaking reach advantage... PBF can just pot shot JMM and dance to decision victory with that reach advantage coz he has the skill to go with it... How about the height advantage?? The age/youth advantage?? Can you give me just one tangible advantage JMM has over PBF?? I think there's none...
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hahaha got you, you just pulled stats straight off of boxrec, just as I knew you would. 72" vs 67" is armspan not reach dumbass. Yes the 1" height advantage will surely be a decided advantage and such huge differences in height are such a rarity nowadays. Age advantage? Clearly this is a factor that you would also fault PAC for.
Marquez advantages, he's been active fighting the best fighters available to him. He doesn't have to worry about ring rust.
ha ha ;D JMM been actively fighting... I'll give you that as if PBF not been regularly going to the gym...;D
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Reach is from the armpit to the end of the fist, arm length is the length from the armpit to the tip of the finger, arm span is finger tip to fingertip arms straight out.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerYes that's armspan or wingspan or reach, that's 5" reach advantage to PBF... Why do you think BoxRec labeled that thing as "reach" if it's not reach dumbass?? The one you're trying to refer at, is arm length which is in the range of 20" to maybe 28" for most boxers...Quote:
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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
hahaha got you, you just pulled stats straight off of boxrec, just as I knew you would. 72" vs 67" is armspan not reach dumbass. Yes the 1" height advantage will surely be a decided advantage and such huge differences in height are such a rarity nowadays. Age advantage? Clearly this is a factor that you would also fault PAC for.
Marquez advantages, he's been active fighting the best fighters available to him. He doesn't have to worry about ring rust.
ha ha ;D JMM been actively fighting... I'll give you that as if PBF not been regularly going to the gym...;D
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Saddoboxer in your infinite wisdom explain the 5" reach advantage. Since your equation assumes a chest width of 0" (AKA 2 dimensional)
I Agree with what Michael Marley said about this fight, that this is about money, and Mayweather is doing a good job.
Floyd is aware that in order to stop Pacman Phenomenon is to batter pacman's nemesis, nightmare, whatever you call it. A Unanimous decision will only make him look bad, but a win with no less than KO is like shoving Manny's ass with sandpaper. He knew this thats why he's making moves on how to secure a KO. Choose a midget mexican, a natural lightweight, untested at 140 and fight him at 147. Plain and simple.
But this is a gamble on Mayweather's part. If Marquez lose this fight on his feet, Mayweather will look like a sorry ass.
So.... what's the difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepSo what's the difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerPBF is the bigger boxer here and he's having all the tangible advantages over JMM...Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
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At this point I think it's something to do with Chewbacca.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHSo.... what's the difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepSo what's the difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
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Originally Posted by killersheepAt this point I think it's something to do with Chewbacca.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHSo.... what's the difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep