Lewis-Tyson, Prime For Prime, Who Wins?

a prime tyson murders lewis in the 1st few rounds imo

Nobody beats Tyson in his prime. :box3:Not even Rocky Balboa. ;)

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Originally Posted by Kel

I don't want to sound like a twat but use the fucking search function, you will find lots to read on a prime Lewis and a prime Tyson going at it.

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Yep thought the same thing soon as I saw the thread.


For the record,a Lewis who has trained right and has respect for his opponent beats most ATG,including bully boy Tyson.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

OK Prime for Prime would go down about the way the actual match went down. Tyson would be in it for the first half of the fight and then fade because Lewis was a lot bigger and he was just all around a better boxer.

Lennox Lewis COULD have had an off night and got KO'd but I am thinking if they fought 100 times Lennox could easily take 70 fights off of Mike.

Lennox and Evander just had Mike's number...the fights vs Rudduck and Bruno were actual FIGHTS, the fights vs Lennox and Evander were not even close, Tyson got dominated in both fights and I highly doubt a Prime Tyson would have done much different

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There is something in what you say. I don't know about 70%, but if Lewis boxes smart, keeps busy, and doesn't make any stupid mistakes, maybe he keeps Tyson at bay. Maybe.

I just know that Tyson had trouble with guys who could box (Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis, Buster Douglas) and tall guys with reach and a good jab (Lennox Lewis, Buster Douglas). I think Lennox Lewis in his Prime would be too smart, too big, and too strong for Tyson.

I think Lewis and Holyfield would have ALWAYS beaten Tyson no matter when they fought.

Of course I think Douglas, McBride, and Williams all caught Mike at really bad times or in McBride and Williams' cases at the tail end of his career. But I do think Buster Douglas' fight vs Tyson was a BRILLIANT fight on his part

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Originally Posted by ono

It's a question that can't really be answered in fairness. There is cases for Tyson ko'ing him and there is a case for Lewis frustrating the life out of him....I will say tho...

There isn't anybody on Tyson's 'prime' resume that is majorly impressive. The manor in which he won the fights might have been but i think a lot of people glorify his 'prime' because the reality may be that when he stepped up, he lost. Therefore it's easier to say 'he's past his prime'. Sometimes the fact that you are facing far better fighters (than you are used to facing) who also happen to be in their prime can sometimes give the illusion that you're not quite in your prime anymore - given that you haven't performed so well against them.

I just feel that it's too difficult to fully justify his prime being around the time he first became champion because he was beating name fighters who were past their best or solid-looking fighters with padded records or at least resumes that appear better until you actually look at how their resume is compiled.

He was a beast and of course there is the option of saying 'Tyson by KO' no matter who his prime vs prime opponent is, because he had the power and the speed to land.....but at the same time you have to remember that the chances of landing those sort of punches severly diminish when you actually fight an elite fighter.....like Holyfield or Lewis.

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I've not replied to any message before although I have looked at this forum for a long while but I couldn't walk past this post as I think it's spot on. The prime vs. prime stuff is bunk. Tyson lost because he was never ever top rank - he looked amazing but he looked amazing against a poor set of opposition and he lost when he ran into someone more determined. He never triumphed in aversity or overcame a great opponent. He didn't pass the test when it came, and despite his highlight reel career is not a great heavyweight.

Tyson v Lewis primes would in my opinon turn out as the first round of their actual fight did. Tyson on the offensive fast and aggesive. Lewis is a great fighter and i think would beat some of the all time greats, but the weaker ones, by weaker i dont mean weaker in that context but ones who did not hold devastating power e.g Ali i think would have been given fits by Lewis but i think would have beaten Tyson who in turn i think would knock out Lewis Mid rounds.

Lewis in my opinon couldnt fight a true rough inside fight which i think tyson could have made it, look at the holyfield fights, Lewis was hurt whenever they traded blow for blow. And if he refused to trade and was cautious mike owuld just eat him up gradully.

Lennox & Mike sparred together as kids when with Cus D'mato. Its said that Lennox always had Mike's #. Lennox would TKO Mike inside 10

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Originally Posted by PrettyBoyFloyd712

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Originally Posted by oakleyno1

Tyson v Lewis primes would in my opinon turn out as the first round of their actual fight did. Tyson on the offensive fast and aggesive. Lewis is a great fighter and i think would beat some of the all time greats, but the weaker ones, by weaker i dont mean weaker in that context but ones who did not hold devastating power e.g Ali i think would have been given fits by Lewis but i think would have beaten Tyson who in turn i think would knock out Lewis Mid rounds.

Lewis in my opinon couldnt fight a true rough inside fight which i think tyson could have made it, look at the holyfield fights, Lewis was hurt whenever they traded blow for blow. And if he refused to trade and was cautious mike owuld just eat him up gradully.

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i seriously dont know why lewis gets any respect on this forum, he never beat anyone remotely good, he beat a tyson who was 10/12 years past his prime. he was heavy weight champ when heavy weight division was at its lowest point in history. trust me i know what im talking about when it comes to boxing. ive studied and watched the sport for my whole life. and im an ametuer boxer too. so i know wat im talkin about

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That color font suits your dumb ass

What really makes me smile when reading some of these posts is the young kids declaring " I have more Boxing Knowledge than anyone else on this board" & " I'm a boxing expert" LOL
I've been in and around boxing for over 30 years and I certainly dont claim to be an expert . I can remember the great trainer Eddie (Papa Smurf) Futch saying to a reporter that had called Eddie a boxing expert "I'm not an expert I'm still learning the game" Eddie was 82 yrs old at the time

Tyson would beat lewis down, why even bother with this thread?:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by ukfan

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Originally Posted by ono

It's a question that can't really be answered in fairness. There is cases for Tyson ko'ing him and there is a case for Lewis frustrating the life out of him....I will say tho...

There isn't anybody on Tyson's 'prime' resume that is majorly impressive. The manor in which he won the fights might have been but i think a lot of people glorify his 'prime' because the reality may be that when he stepped up, he lost. Therefore it's easier to say 'he's past his prime'. Sometimes the fact that you are facing far better fighters (than you are used to facing) who also happen to be in their prime can sometimes give the illusion that you're not quite in your prime anymore - given that you haven't performed so well against them.

I just feel that it's too difficult to fully justify his prime being around the time he first became champion because he was beating name fighters who were past their best or solid-looking fighters with padded records or at least resumes that appear better until you actually look at how their resume is compiled.

He was a beast and of course there is the option of saying 'Tyson by KO' no matter who his prime vs prime opponent is, because he had the power and the speed to land.....but at the same time you have to remember that the chances of landing those sort of punches severly diminish when you actually fight an elite fighter.....like Holyfield or Lewis.

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I've not replied to any message before although I have looked at this forum for a long while but I couldn't walk past this post as I think it's spot on. The prime vs. prime stuff is bunk. Tyson lost because he was never ever top rank - he looked amazing but he looked amazing against a poor set of opposition and he lost when he ran into someone more determined. He never triumphed in aversity or overcame a great opponent. He didn't pass the test when it came, and despite his highlight reel career is not a great heavyweight.

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:rolleyes: What horseshit about Tyson. Whatever you want to believe pal.

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Originally Posted by CGM

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Originally Posted by ukfan

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Originally Posted by ono

It's a question that can't really be answered in fairness. There is cases for Tyson ko'ing him and there is a case for Lewis frustrating the life out of him....I will say tho...

There isn't anybody on Tyson's 'prime' resume that is majorly impressive. The manor in which he won the fights might have been but i think a lot of people glorify his 'prime' because the reality may be that when he stepped up, he lost. Therefore it's easier to say 'he's past his prime'. Sometimes the fact that you are facing far better fighters (than you are used to facing) who also happen to be in their prime can sometimes give the illusion that you're not quite in your prime anymore - given that you haven't performed so well against them.

I just feel that it's too difficult to fully justify his prime being around the time he first became champion because he was beating name fighters who were past their best or solid-looking fighters with padded records or at least resumes that appear better until you actually look at how their resume is compiled.

He was a beast and of course there is the option of saying 'Tyson by KO' no matter who his prime vs prime opponent is, because he had the power and the speed to land.....but at the same time you have to remember that the chances of landing those sort of punches severly diminish when you actually fight an elite fighter.....like Holyfield or Lewis.

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I've not replied to any message before although I have looked at this forum for a long while but I couldn't walk past this post as I think it's spot on. The prime vs. prime stuff is bunk. Tyson lost because he was never ever top rank - he looked amazing but he looked amazing against a poor set of opposition and he lost when he ran into someone more determined. He never triumphed in aversity or overcame a great opponent. He didn't pass the test when it came, and despite his highlight reel career is not a great heavyweight.

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:rolleyes: What horseshit about Tyson. Whatever you want to believe pal.

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Wow. Welcome to the forum, but I agree with CGM.

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Originally Posted by porkypara

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Originally Posted by Kel

I don't want to sound like a twat but use the fucking search function, you will find lots to read on a prime Lewis and a prime Tyson going at it.

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Yep thought the same thing soon as I saw the thread.


For the record,a Lewis who has trained right and has respect for his opponent beats most ATG,including bully boy Tyson.

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Thank you porky, that needed to be said again. Christ, I make one unoriginal freakin post and people give me sh@t for it. Unbelievable. ;D

They say history repaets itself.I agree with you, based on the facts that Tyson went 4 years beating up on big guys and NOT getting KO'd, (the facts say) he would have beaten Lewis.