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I don't think he is too short, he is as tall as Cotto and Mayweather and they've done fine at 147, with his speed he shouldn't even be too short for 154, I would just like tosee more fluidity, he has good boxing skills when he boxes, he has amazing speed, and good power, but he can't transition well at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by JudahShuffle
I dont know why everyone so up in arms over the fight i mean he won almost every round like Hatton did just in a boring fashion o well. I like Berto really do but he better never step in the ring with Mosely or it game over and Berto going down bad and hard and ending career fashion. If he going to step up he got few option he go for Cotto only reason i say this is because he open for upper cut and has a so so chin and suspect stam. The the other person he can try is Margarito when he comes back and well see how much he has left and see if he was worth anything to start.
Its hard to say if Cotto would destroy him, remember how badly Cotto looked against Ricardo Torres? Or less than truly dominant performances against Lovermore N'dou, Abdulaev, Oktay Urkal. I honestly see Collazo giving Cotto and Floyd Mayweather Jr a lot of problems because of his speed, durability, and willingness to mix it up, IMO Mosley really good off looking better than he was in the fight against COllazo because Collazo couldn't really throw punches, and even then it wasn't like Mosley was dominating him, most of the rounds Collazo would land 9ish punches to MOsley's 11-15 punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puerto Rican Punch
My question is, who else is a reasonable test for Berto before going to the elites? Besides Zab Judah who is campaigning at 140, I really don't see a person who is a step up from Collazo or even Urango who isn't an elite fighter.
Well i say right now Berto is like at a Hatton level kinda of fighter well at least what i have seen off the seen vs the same kinda of comp. But like teath said if he can get a trainer to get him to do right things he has the natural gifts to become great but his mind set need some work though. I think he should take some fighters less then elite to fix his flaws and then go after a Mosely, Cotto, Clotty or if he comes back Margarito but before all that few more easy fights need to happen and flaws fixed.
Keep Berto as far away as possible from Cotto. The Berto from last night would've lasted maybe 5 rounds with Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethIts hard to say if Cotto would destroy him, remember how badly Cotto looked against Ricardo Torres? Or less than truly dominant performances against Lovermore N'dou, Abdulaev, Oktay Urkal. I honestly see Collazo giving Cotto and Floyd Mayweather Jr a lot of problems because of his speed, durability, and willingness to mix it up, IMO Mosley really good off looking better than he was in the fight against COllazo because Collazo couldn't really throw punches, and even then it wasn't like Mosley was dominating him, most of the rounds Collazo would land 9ish punches to MOsley's 11-15 punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puerto Rican Punch
My question is, who else is a reasonable test for Berto before going to the elites? Besides Zab Judah who is campaigning at 140, I really don't see a person who is a step up from Collazo or even Urango who isn't an elite fighter.
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I think people are over estimating Cotto(who is a great fighter), I mean he is great, but he hasn't been able to stop high end welterweights early in fights at all, except Quintana.
As for comparing Berto to Hatton, I think their effectiveness is on a similar playing field, but I truly believe Berto's athleticism and speed is going to hinder elite fighters more than Hatton's ruthless pressure. Most elite fighters are there because they themselves are faster fighters, whether its physically, with timing, or superior technique, they are used to having their punches get there first, and for all his flaws Berto is faster than anyone p4p in the sport, and he has good timing. His instincts are all there, he can be very defensively gifted when he wants to be, but he just doesn't know how to dominate guys in that clean efficient way we've grown so accustomed to with guys like Roy Jones Jr, Mayweather, Whitaker, Hopkins, etc.
That being said I think Urango would be an ugly fight for anybody, I don't see Mosley making it look any prettier, I see Mayweather doing the same thing Berto did, but more elegantly. Manny might look really effective against Urango.
Berto almost got a point deducted for holding, threw a few amateurish uppercuts, and managed to get tagged a few times by the "hourglass-speed" hands of Urango. None of this tells me he's ready for the truly elite fighters of the welterweight division. Oh....... AND...... Urango was moving up in weight, which means Berto should've been able to put on a better show. Sorry, he gets mangled by Cotto, Mosley, or any of the elites at 147.
You could get him in there against Quintana, but other than him, at 147 he's got the elite to deal with. Cintron said he's willing to come back down to 147 to get a title shot and Berto's got a strap. I'm sure Judah wouldn't mind coming back up to get a shot at Berto's strap. Judah gets fights he doesn't deserve.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethIts hard to say if Cotto would destroy him, remember how badly Cotto looked against Ricardo Torres? Or less than truly dominant performances against Lovermore N'dou, Abdulaev, Oktay Urkal. I honestly see Collazo giving Cotto and Floyd Mayweather Jr a lot of problems because of his speed, durability, and willingness to mix it up, IMO Mosley really good off looking better than he was in the fight against COllazo because Collazo couldn't really throw punches, and even then it wasn't like Mosley was dominating him, most of the rounds Collazo would land 9ish punches to MOsley's 11-15 punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puerto Rican Punch
My question is, who else is a reasonable test for Berto before going to the elites? Besides Zab Judah who is campaigning at 140, I really don't see a person who is a step up from Collazo or even Urango who isn't an elite fighter.
I wouldn't mind seeing Berto in with the loser of Cotto - Clottey, meaning Clottey. That would be a good test for him.
That's probably what Berto's team is planning to do. Fight the loser while they're not completely recovered while on the other end, the loser will want to get their name back out there on their next fight leaving Berto as the perfect choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I know this sounds redundant,But I'm struggling to think of a key player Berto could get by.He is a very flawed guy,has a naaaaasty habit of holding off of leads,arms open like he is welcoming his long last Aunt from the airport or something,head standing high.Can you picture him getting away with that on the inside vs. a Williams,Cotto,Margarito or Mosley..etc.He fights like a one-two punch slugger and his legs are sketchy,rigid.I think Collazo is due a rematch...would be a good opportunity for Berto to close that chapter,re-tool and make that huge impact he's struggling to find.
I don't mind the holding after landing the lead against a fast dangerous opponent, its the smart thing to do, and Mayweather and Roy Jones and Hopkins do it all the time, but Berto is wide open when he is in clinches, like you said, he doesn't do a great job of tying his opponent up on the inside. Despite ahve rigid legs, he still moves very well, and IMO is a better pure boxer than Mosley, but I've never been a huge fan of Mosley. I just think they are both too robotic.
All of those guys work on the inside,and in Jones and Hopkins cases, they usually came in off of very potent leads.Work on the inside not only with hands,but setting up/picking shots once the inevitable break comes......Berto just....stands there mostly,literally.But then again,they have 2 or 3 times the experience a Berto has as well.Seems like he is over thinking and still caught in between styles.Very dangerous for any fighter on the inside to be idle.I just cant get away from feeling that they 'rushed him to market',now he might be going into huge fights against top tier guys where he needs to make the adjustment he should have been making/sharpening up on many fights ago.Very interested to see what direction they go with next fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Berto still has not impressed me, other than his heart in the Collazo fight, but on a technical aspect he hasn't really done anything to blow me away, last night he hugged just as much as Wlad, and didn't even do it half as effectively, his power has pretty much proved to be VERY MUCH overrated, even when he lands shots that look like they'd end your career his opponants don't even really flinch, his speed is great, but he never really puts a gameplan together to fully showcase the talent he's supposed to be possessing, Mosley, Cotto, Mayweather, and Williams all beat Berto, and i'd dare to say that most likely all but Floyd would stop him, Berto's shown time and time again that he really isn't that stron mentally, most notably in the Collazo fight, i say put him in against Judah or even Quintana
How is his power not proven? People don't get KO's if they don't have power. Mayweather has all the speed in the world and he didn't get KO's early on. Berto has foughten three guys in a row that are pretty much impossible to legitimately hurt Forbes, Collazo, and Urango all have great chins.