Re: Al Bernstein On Boxing: Lost In The Shuffle?
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Good article Mr. AL ... I'm glad to have the same pick (Clottey) with a well known boxing historian...
More power...
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Have you ever seen Joshua Clottey vs Richard Gutierrez ? because if you have i would be worried if your Joshua Clottey fan, because he struggled with body shots in that fight. He almost also got himself DQ again like he did in the Carlos Baldomir fight, and he only had an injured hand against Antonio Margarito, not a broken hand and fighters have won with far worst injuries. I seriously question Joshua Clottey's desire i really do.
I think a healthy 100% Clottey will give Cotto a very tough fight or totally upset Cotto.... Sure Cotto can target Clottey's body but he must watch out very carefully the stinging counterpunches combos from Clottey...
I think Cotto will avoid a toe-to-toe battle coz Clottey got very fast hands and tight defense... Clottey will pressure Cotto with his forward movement, tight defense and fast stinging combos until Cotto gets tired and forced to go toe-to-toe which will be Cotto's downfall...
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Yes but what is a 100 percent healthy Joshua Clottey ? are you saying that he wasn't 100 percent in the Carlos Baldomir fight ? or the Richard Gutierrez fight ?
And what fight would you consider that you have seen him in 100 percent condition ? because lets state the facts here. Joshua Clottey has never beaten an elite fighter.
Zab Judah isn't an elite fighter anymore and is basically a stepping stone now. And Joshua Clottey didn't win that fight that impressively either. And the only other name is Diego Corrales.
But come on Diego Corrales had no business at Jr Welterweight, let alone Welterweight it was a totally unfair match up size wise. I just don't think Joshua Clottey is elite.
And his heart is also questionable aswell, especially when he basically lost alot of heart on only a hand injury against Antonio Margarito. He also gave away a win against Carlos Baldomir, and almost got himself DQ'ed again against Richard Gutierrez.
Joshua Clottey is a good fighter and is deserving of his shot, but he just doesn't seem elite to me. He's not that special in any one area except for his counter punching.
And while his defense maybe good he often goes into a shell, too much and lets fighters bang away at him without firing back. And you also say Joshua Clottey will come on late.
But Joshua Clottey himself has had stamina issues in the past. So i wouldn't be so confident in that prediction, Miguel Cotto will use his better boxing skills. And his superb body attack to earn a tough decision IMO.
Re: Al Bernstein On Boxing: Lost In The Shuffle?
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XaduBoxer
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ICB
Have you ever seen Joshua Clottey vs Richard Gutierrez ? because if you have i would be worried if your Joshua Clottey fan, because he struggled with body shots in that fight. He almost also got himself DQ again like he did in the Carlos Baldomir fight, and he only had an injured hand against Antonio Margarito, not a broken hand and fighters have won with far worst injuries. I seriously question Joshua Clottey's desire i really do.
I think a healthy 100% Clottey will give Cotto a very tough fight or totally upset Cotto.... Sure Cotto can target Clottey's body but he must watch out very carefully the stinging counterpunches combos from Clottey...
I think Cotto will avoid a toe-to-toe battle coz Clottey got very fast hands and tight defense... Clottey will pressure Cotto with his forward movement, tight defense and fast stinging combos until Cotto gets tired and forced to go toe-to-toe which will be Cotto's downfall...
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Yes but what is a 100 percent healthy Joshua Clottey ? are you saying that he wasn't 100 percent in the Carlos Baldomir fight ? or the Richard Gutierrez fight ?
And what fight would you consider that you have seen him in 100 percent condition ? because lets state the facts here. Joshua Clottey has never beaten an elite fighter.
Zab Judah isn't an elite fighter anymore and is basically a stepping stone now. And Joshua Clottey didn't win that fight that impressively either. And the only other name is Diego Corrales.
But come on Diego Corrales had no business at Jr Welterweight, let alone Welterweight it was a totally unfair match up size wise. I just don't think Joshua Clottey is elite.
And his heart is also questionable aswell, especially when he basically lost alot of heart on only a hand injury against Antonio Margarito. He also gave away a win against Carlos Baldomir, and almost got himself DQ'ed again against Richard Gutierrez.
Joshua Clottey is a good fighter and is deserving of his shot, but he just doesn't seem elite to me. He's not that special in any one area except for his counter punching.
And while his defense maybe good he often goes into a shell, too much and lets fighters bang away at him without firing back. And you also say Joshua Clottey will come on late.
But Joshua Clottey himself has had stamina issues in the past. So i wouldn't be so confident in that prediction, Miguel Cotto will use his better boxing skills. And his superb body attack to earn a tough decision IMO.
Would you fancy a 1 week sig bet. You got Cotto, I got Clottey;)
Re: Al Bernstein On Boxing: Lost In The Shuffle?
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I think a healthy 100% Clottey will give Cotto a very tough fight or totally upset Cotto.... Sure Cotto can target Clottey's body but he must watch out very carefully the stinging counterpunches combos from Clottey...
I think Cotto will avoid a toe-to-toe battle coz Clottey got very fast hands and tight defense... Clottey will pressure Cotto with his forward movement, tight defense and fast stinging combos until Cotto gets tired and forced to go toe-to-toe which will be Cotto's downfall...
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Yes but what is a 100 percent healthy Joshua Clottey ? are you saying that he wasn't 100 percent in the Carlos Baldomir fight ? or the Richard Gutierrez fight ?
And what fight would you consider that you have seen him in 100 percent condition ? because lets state the facts here. Joshua Clottey has never beaten an elite fighter.
Zab Judah isn't an elite fighter anymore and is basically a stepping stone now. And Joshua Clottey didn't win that fight that impressively either. And the only other name is Diego Corrales.
But come on Diego Corrales had no business at Jr Welterweight, let alone Welterweight it was a totally unfair match up size wise. I just don't think Joshua Clottey is elite.
And his heart is also questionable aswell, especially when he basically lost alot of heart on only a hand injury against Antonio Margarito. He also gave away a win against Carlos Baldomir, and almost got himself DQ'ed again against Richard Gutierrez.
Joshua Clottey is a good fighter and is deserving of his shot, but he just doesn't seem elite to me. He's not that special in any one area except for his counter punching.
And while his defense maybe good he often goes into a shell, too much and lets fighters bang away at him without firing back. And you also say Joshua Clottey will come on late.
But Joshua Clottey himself has had stamina issues in the past. So i wouldn't be so confident in that prediction, Miguel Cotto will use his better boxing skills. And his superb body attack to earn a tough decision IMO.
Would you fancy a 1 week sig bet. You got Cotto, I got Clottey;)
Sure why not and i also heard you got married, congrats on that bro.
Re: Al Bernstein On Boxing: Lost In The Shuffle?
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ICB
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XaduBoxer
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ICB
Have you ever seen Joshua Clottey vs Richard Gutierrez ? because if you have i would be worried if your Joshua Clottey fan, because he struggled with body shots in that fight. He almost also got himself DQ again like he did in the Carlos Baldomir fight, and he only had an injured hand against Antonio Margarito, not a broken hand and fighters have won with far worst injuries. I seriously question Joshua Clottey's desire i really do.
I think a healthy 100% Clottey will give Cotto a very tough fight or totally upset Cotto.... Sure Cotto can target Clottey's body but he must watch out very carefully the stinging counterpunches combos from Clottey...
I think Cotto will avoid a toe-to-toe battle coz Clottey got very fast hands and tight defense... Clottey will pressure Cotto with his forward movement, tight defense and fast stinging combos until Cotto gets tired and forced to go toe-to-toe which will be Cotto's downfall...
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Yes but what is a 100 percent healthy Joshua Clottey ? are you saying that he wasn't 100 percent in the Carlos Baldomir fight ? or the Richard Gutierrez fight ?
And what fight would you consider that you have seen him in 100 percent condition ? because lets state the facts here. Joshua Clottey has never beaten an elite fighter.
Zab Judah isn't an elite fighter anymore and is basically a stepping stone now. And Joshua Clottey didn't win that fight that impressively either. And the only other name is Diego Corrales.
But come on Diego Corrales had no business at Jr Welterweight, let alone Welterweight it was a totally unfair match up size wise. I just don't think Joshua Clottey is elite.
And his heart is also questionable aswell, especially when he basically lost alot of heart on only a hand injury against Antonio Margarito. He also gave away a win against Carlos Baldomir, and almost got himself DQ'ed again against Richard Gutierrez.
Joshua Clottey is a good fighter and is deserving of his shot, but he just doesn't seem elite to me. He's not that special in any one area except for his counter punching.
And while his defense maybe good he often goes into a shell, too much and lets fighters bang away at him without firing back. And you also say Joshua Clottey will come on late.
But Joshua Clottey himself has had stamina issues in the past. So i wouldn't be so confident in that prediction, Miguel Cotto will use his better boxing skills. And his superb body attack to earn a tough decision IMO.
I consider a 100% Clottey the one who showed up in the early part of the Margacheato fight, before he injured his hand...
Clottey has not YET beaten an elite fighter but I pick the tough defense minded Clottey over Cotto primarily on the basis of their respective performances against their common opponents in Margacheato and Judah... Cotto quits against Margo in the 11th round while Clottey took Margo to a close UD loss... Judah quits against Clottey in the 9th round while Cotto TKOs Judah in the 11th... Clottey is also much bigger than Cotto...
I agree Diego is somewhat not yet acclimatized at welter but saying Diego has no busines at Jr. Welter is absurd since Diego can't make 135 anymore... He has to move up, he has no choice... (RIP Diego)
I'm predicting Cotto to tire first than Clottey since Cotto will be moving a lot and bouncing a lot to evade the always come forward Clottey... I really don't think Cotto will stand there going toe-to-toe with Clottey in the early rounds... Cotto will box Clottey early and moves/bounces a lot that will consume a lot of his energy... Soon as Cotto tires first, he will be forced to stand toe-to-toe and that where Clottey will pick him up...
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Re: Al Bernstein On Boxing: Lost In The Shuffle?
Nice read thanks AL.
I somewhat agree with you here.
Also with Xaduboxer in the above post; dont think Cotto will go toe to toe at first either if theres any lingering doubts.
Will depend alot on Clotteys mindset too.
Cotto could be slightly gun shy on early commitment and may get rocked a few times early which could even the ending out as I think his skill and precision equaling accumulated power will eventually prevail.
Its about 50/50 for me.
I'll always call for the underdog on the night though, so call me in.
Re: Al Bernstein On Boxing: Lost In The Shuffle?
Good read Al I am glad someone else thinks of Clottey a bit higher then he is credited besides me.
