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Do you know Abrams well Smash? Or did you just bump into him?Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
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Originally Posted by skel1983Do you know Abrams well Smash? Or did you just bump into him?Quote:
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Having regular chats mate as we get the same train into central London and he lives down the road.
Had a good chat this morning as it goes and we dissagreed;D
I reckon the only way to beat Wlad would have been for Haye to make him come to him and counter whereas he reckon he should steam in and get in his face.
Really nice fella is Claude:cool:
And yeah i just recognised him last week and went over and said hello basically.
I thought Vitali was gonna fight Valuev. I was looking forward to seeing two giant with no technique maul and wrestle until one of em fell over.
Hayes best chance was against Wvlad. Vitali is a taller order and I didnt really fancy Hayes chances vs the younger more vulnerable brother.
Props to Haye for taking the fight but if he think that his 4 round up and downer with Barrett a year ago is any kind of prep for a heavyweight title fight then he is gonna be shocked.
Since when do Ring Champions who move up in weight class need to start from ground 0?Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleWell I'm happy you enjoyed that post, allow me to explain stuff you might have misinterpretted.Quote:
Originally Posted by mofo2
#1 David Haye was asked who would be his opponent for 11-15-2008 and HAYE said it would be a household name and a dangerous fighter....he fought Monte Barrett who is none of the above. Should David not get called out for talking one way and acting in another way???
#2 I never said David should act like any other heavyweight just entering the division. I said David should fight better competition and well now he should just fight. He's either the Undisputed Cruiserweight Champion who is ready to do something at heavyweight OR he's just a novice heavyweight, he should either fight GOOD fighters or work his way up, he cannot have it both ways!
#3 David Haye accomplished something at CRUISERWEIGHT. What cruiserweights ...what CHAMPION cruiserweights have moved on to heavyweight and actually gone on to have success? Holyfield? James Toney? My reason for bringing it up is because it's not something that happens all the time HOWEVER cruiserweights moving up to heavyweight and getting destroyed does happen an awful lot and even to the good cruiserweights.
#4 What has Haye accomplished that gives you Haye fans any hope of him doing well in the heavyweight division? He's a cruiserweight champ...so was Vassily Jirov, so were Dwight Qawi, Carlos DeLeon, Ossie Ocasio and not a one of them had success at heavyweight.
I'm not biased, I'm just waiting for David Haye's ACTIONS to match his talk
It simply dosent happen Lyle and you know it. He cleaned out and Unified his division and proven himself a worldclass fighter at the highest level. All those things dont go by the way side over a few pounds.
You are a biased. End of
Boxing is a business, Haye is Marketable the rest of the division isint. The only one I would argue about is Arreola. He is fat and ugly but he is exciting and has a certain working class charm and demeanor. IMO he has earned his shot.
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Originally Posted by GAME
vitali is a great technical exponent to compare him to valuev who is a complete out and out mauler is harsh to say the least.
Was also looking forward to seeing a 7foot 4 giant get dumped on his arse but david haye getting his pretty little face battered into a shell would be a sacrifice id be prepared to see.
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Originally Posted by JT RockSince when do Ring Champions who move up in weight class need to start from ground 0?Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleWell I'm happy you enjoyed that post, allow me to explain stuff you might have misinterpretted.Quote:
Originally Posted by mofo2
#1 David Haye was asked who would be his opponent for 11-15-2008 and HAYE said it would be a household name and a dangerous fighter....he fought Monte Barrett who is none of the above. Should David not get called out for talking one way and acting in another way???
#2 I never said David should act like any other heavyweight just entering the division. I said David should fight better competition and well now he should just fight. He's either the Undisputed Cruiserweight Champion who is ready to do something at heavyweight OR he's just a novice heavyweight, he should either fight GOOD fighters or work his way up, he cannot have it both ways!
#3 David Haye accomplished something at CRUISERWEIGHT. What cruiserweights ...what CHAMPION cruiserweights have moved on to heavyweight and actually gone on to have success? Holyfield? James Toney? My reason for bringing it up is because it's not something that happens all the time HOWEVER cruiserweights moving up to heavyweight and getting destroyed does happen an awful lot and even to the good cruiserweights.
#4 What has Haye accomplished that gives you Haye fans any hope of him doing well in the heavyweight division? He's a cruiserweight champ...so was Vassily Jirov, so were Dwight Qawi, Carlos DeLeon, Ossie Ocasio and not a one of them had success at heavyweight.
I'm not biased, I'm just waiting for David Haye's ACTIONS to match his talk
It simply dosent happen Lyle and you know it. He cleaned out and Unified his division and proven himself a worldclass fighter at the highest level. All those things dont go by the way side over a few pounds.
You are a biased. End of
Boxing is a business, Haye is Marketable the rest of the division isint. The only one I would argue about is Arreola. He is fat and ugly but he is exciting and has a certain working class charm and demeanor. IMO he has earned his shot.
Maybe Lyle is a little biased about Haye, but that doesn't mask the paradox in mofo's post. On the one hand he claims that being cruiserweight champion makes him instantly good enough to take on the Klits, yet in the previous sentence he claims he wasn't ready last autumn to face a stiffer test than Barrett!! what the hell has happened since then?Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockSince when do Ring Champions who move up in weight class need to start from ground 0?Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleWell I'm happy you enjoyed that post, allow me to explain stuff you might have misinterpretted.Quote:
Originally Posted by mofo2
#1 David Haye was asked who would be his opponent for 11-15-2008 and HAYE said it would be a household name and a dangerous fighter....he fought Monte Barrett who is none of the above. Should David not get called out for talking one way and acting in another way???
#2 I never said David should act like any other heavyweight just entering the division. I said David should fight better competition and well now he should just fight. He's either the Undisputed Cruiserweight Champion who is ready to do something at heavyweight OR he's just a novice heavyweight, he should either fight GOOD fighters or work his way up, he cannot have it both ways!
#3 David Haye accomplished something at CRUISERWEIGHT. What cruiserweights ...what CHAMPION cruiserweights have moved on to heavyweight and actually gone on to have success? Holyfield? James Toney? My reason for bringing it up is because it's not something that happens all the time HOWEVER cruiserweights moving up to heavyweight and getting destroyed does happen an awful lot and even to the good cruiserweights.
#4 What has Haye accomplished that gives you Haye fans any hope of him doing well in the heavyweight division? He's a cruiserweight champ...so was Vassily Jirov, so were Dwight Qawi, Carlos DeLeon, Ossie Ocasio and not a one of them had success at heavyweight.
I'm not biased, I'm just waiting for David Haye's ACTIONS to match his talk
It simply dosent happen Lyle and you know it. He cleaned out and Unified his division and proven himself a worldclass fighter at the highest level. All those things dont go by the way side over a few pounds.
You are a biased. End of
Boxing is a business, Haye is Marketable the rest of the division isint. The only one I would argue about is Arreola. He is fat and ugly but he is exciting and has a certain working class charm and demeanor. IMO he has earned his shot.
Wether he's earned it or not, the Wlad-Haye fight would have been an entertaining fight, and I agree that there aren't many heavy's out there who can legitimiately claim to have done enough to earn a shot at Wlad, so in that sense by process of elimination Haye should have his shot sooner rather than later. Still doesn't take away from the fact that Haye is a part timer, and if he actually were to somehow catch Wlad it would only be detrimental to the sport.
Did I say Haye needed to start at ground 0??? NO! But here's the deal David Haye is the Ring Champion for the cruiserweight division and he moved up to heavyweight with a lot of buzz behind him and he fought MONTE BARRETT....so my issue with David Haye is that he was Ring Champion, he talked the way a guy who wanted an immediate title shot needed to talk BUT he fought Monte Barrett it doesn't add up.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
As for weight, sure someone like Ezzard Charles and Hank Armstrong could move up and down in weight and not be effected at all and someone like Ricky Hatton who was a World Class fighter at 140 but move him up to 147 and he couldn't do shit...so while it might not matter for SOME fighters it is an issue and one that David Haye hasn't even tried to answer or even put the boxing fans at ease about, and therefore I question him.
But if you want to go ahead and call be biased fine, I just call it as I see it and I saw David Haye run his mouth and then fight a bum BY CHOICE, if Haye is such a huge draw etc then why fight a bum when he could have lured over a bigger name or a more dangerous fighter. It seemed to me as if David didn't want to test himself.....but I thought the guy was world class???? If he's world class then why doesn't he want to SHOW IT???
10 bucks says Vitali gets injured and pulls out and retires again before this fight even happens.
While that COULD happen, I would expect the fight doesn't even happenQuote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Wait a minute Lyle. There were a lot of fighters who turned down Offers from David Haye. You can't blame him for that. At the end of the day he still fought someone Wlad has fought at HW and dealt with him quicker than Wlad.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleDid I say Haye needed to start at ground 0??? NO! But here's the deal David Haye is the Ring Champion for the cruiserweight division and he moved up to heavyweight with a lot of buzz behind him and he fought MONTE BARRETT....so my issue with David Haye is that he was Ring Champion, he talked the way a guy who wanted an immediate title shot needed to talk BUT he fought Monte Barrett it doesn't add up.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
As for weight, sure someone like Ezzard Charles and Hank Armstrong could move up and down in weight and not be effected at all and someone like Ricky Hatton who was a World Class fighter at 140 but move him up to 147 and he couldn't do shit...so while it might not matter for SOME fighters it is an issue and one that David Haye hasn't even tried to answer or even put the boxing fans at ease about, and therefore I question him.
But if you want to go ahead and call be biased fine, I just call it as I see it and I saw David Haye run his mouth and then fight a bum BY CHOICE, if Haye is such a huge draw etc then why fight a bum when he could have lured over a bigger name or a more dangerous fighter. It seemed to me as if David didn't want to test himself.....but I thought the guy was world class???? If he's world class then why doesn't he want to SHOW IT???
What top HW fighters turned down offers to fight Haye? Wlad fought Monte when he had 1 split decision loss and was still a possible up and comer 9 years ago. Haye fought Monte when he had 6 losses and was washed up. I cant believe you people are sticking by Haye, who talked a bunch of crap, got what he wanted (fight with Wlad), then got scared and pulled out with a fake injury......I feel sorry for you if Haye is your hero.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuWait a minute Lyle. There were a lot of fighters who turned down Offers from David Haye. You can't blame him for that. At the end of the day he still fought someone Wlad has fought at HW and dealt with him quicker than Wlad.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleDid I say Haye needed to start at ground 0??? NO! But here's the deal David Haye is the Ring Champion for the cruiserweight division and he moved up to heavyweight with a lot of buzz behind him and he fought MONTE BARRETT....so my issue with David Haye is that he was Ring Champion, he talked the way a guy who wanted an immediate title shot needed to talk BUT he fought Monte Barrett it doesn't add up.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
As for weight, sure someone like Ezzard Charles and Hank Armstrong could move up and down in weight and not be effected at all and someone like Ricky Hatton who was a World Class fighter at 140 but move him up to 147 and he couldn't do shit...so while it might not matter for SOME fighters it is an issue and one that David Haye hasn't even tried to answer or even put the boxing fans at ease about, and therefore I question him.
But if you want to go ahead and call be biased fine, I just call it as I see it and I saw David Haye run his mouth and then fight a bum BY CHOICE, if Haye is such a huge draw etc then why fight a bum when he could have lured over a bigger name or a more dangerous fighter. It seemed to me as if David didn't want to test himself.....but I thought the guy was world class???? If he's world class then why doesn't he want to SHOW IT???
I feel sorry for anyone who is a fan of a jabaholic with no testicular fortitude that is so scared his chin will get checked that he dosent have the gumption to finish guys who are for the taking.Quote:
Originally Posted by HunterWhat top HW fighters turned down offers to fight Haye? Wlad fought Monte when he had 1 split decision loss and was still a possible up and comer 9 years ago. Haye fought Monte when he had 6 losses and was washed up. I cant believe you people are sticking by Haye, who talked a bunch of crap, got what he wanted (fight with Wlad), then got scared and pulled out with a fake injury......I feel sorry for you if Haye is your hero.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuWait a minute Lyle. There were a lot of fighters who turned down Offers from David Haye. You can't blame him for that. At the end of the day he still fought someone Wlad has fought at HW and dealt with him quicker than Wlad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Thats what the Champion of the tradition rich division in Boxing does, he is exciting and finishes fights and creates excitement. Klitschko dosent give the masses a compelling reason to tune in and support the division.
I had stated already that there is nothing wrong with Wlad starting off with the jab and 1-2's. But when its clear after 3 rounds his opponent dosent have answers and has been hurt and soften up its time to step on the gas and look for the finish. Not scratch and sniff with the jab for 3-4 more rounds.
Thats not what a heavyweight champ does, if he was a Welter, Middleweight etc. than that is fine but a guy who goes into 99% of his fight with every advantage including weight, height, reach, power and is safety 1st is a despicable representative for such a historically prestigious division.
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Originally Posted by JT RockI feel sorry for anyone who is a fan of a jabaholic with no testicular fortitude that is so scared his chin will get checked that he dosent have the gumption to finish guys who are for the taking.Quote:
Originally Posted by HunterWhat top HW fighters turned down offers to fight Haye? Wlad fought Monte when he had 1 split decision loss and was still a possible up and comer 9 years ago. Haye fought Monte when he had 6 losses and was washed up. I cant believe you people are sticking by Haye, who talked a bunch of crap, got what he wanted (fight with Wlad), then got scared and pulled out with a fake injury......I feel sorry for you if Haye is your hero.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
Thats what the Champion of the tradition rich division in Boxing does, he is exciting and finishes fights and creates excitement. Klitschko dosent give the masses a compelling reason to tune in and support the division.
I had stated already that there is nothing wrong with Wlad starting off with the jab and 1-2's. But when its clear after 3 rounds his opponent dosent have answers and has been hurt and soften up its time to step on the gas and look for the finish. Not scratch and sniff with the jab for 3-4 more rounds.
Thats not what a heavyweight champ does, if he was a Welter, Middleweight etc. than that is fine but a guy who goes into 99% of his fight with every advantage including weight, height, reach, power and is safety 1st is a despicable representative for such a historically prestigious division.
he doesnt need to be a showpony to win a fight...he is effective enough at what he does
Why the hell would either klitschko sacrifice a win over looking pretty doing it when they are so good at what they do.
I can understand mayweather getting criticised for fighting on the back foot but at heavyweight its a whole different story. it takes one solid punch for the fight to be over and despite the fact they more often than not represent a heighth, weight advantage over their opponents a 220 pound lump laying a solid shot flash on your chin however average a boxer he is will knock you out cold.
Poor Haye... at least, we can give him that he has some balls hehe. For the Hairy giant freak, the problem comes from Don King who would ask for some impossible demands to make it happens (typical Don King fashion). Anyway, the giant will have his beating a day or another.