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JT Rock
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Bilbo's Mom
Manny has also started at 107 lbs and went on to win world titles at flyweight, bantamweight, S featherweight, Lightweight, junior welter and even ko'd a legend at welterweight but his career is 'good but not unique' :rolleyes:
Everyone gushes over Manny's strength and conditioning. The whole folklore of Manny starting out at 106 is a farce anyway. Big deal!! he was 16 when turned pro, not a fully developed adult. it is not uncommon for an human being to put on 40lbs in 14 years especially an elite athlete like Pac who is a blessed physical specimen.
When I was 16 I weighed about 150 lbs, I started weight training at 23 and put on about 35lbs of muscle in my peak. I wasnt incredibly bulky but extremely functional playing basketball 3x a week and softball once a week. I never used performance enhancers and didnt have the best strength and conditioning coaches money can buy and I would hardly brag about my genetics.. It was and still is a struggle to stay in tip top shape.
So if a middleclass kid with mediocre genetics can play with weights and compete in pickup basketball and softball games and train martial arts and gain 35lbs in that amount of time,I think a pro boxer with all the conditioning experts, supplements and trainers money can buy, could achieve the same.
By the way Floyd never pulled this shiit, he was called a cherry picker yet when moving up he didnt ask for bullshit demands.
There's a big difference in being able to put on 35lbs and through weight training and slowing metabolism and then being able to compete and dominate against guys who are naturally that size, surely you know that as well as me.
I'm a big fan of Floyd JT you know but he's right to get accused of cherry picking to an extent because of several reasons.
Firstly he's arguably the most arrogant man on the planet, the self proclaimed greatest of all time. When you hold your self in such high regard you raise the bar regarding how people will judge your claims. Manny on the other hand is incredibly humble.
Secondly Pacquiao has sought to fight the very best in each weight class and has destroyed prime p4p fighters, and he's for the most part done it in their own weight classes.
He boasts two wins over Barrera, two KO wins over Morales, a win over Marquez, a destruction of Ricky Hatton and a destruction of Oscar in which few felt he would win beforehand but now give him no credit at all. And he still wants to fight the best, Mosely, Cotto, Mayweather, all guys yet again bigger than himself.
Floyd meanwhile has carefully avoided the most significant challenges in most weight divisions or when he has fought them it has been on his terms.
Diego Coralles he forced to fight at superfeatherweight after Diego had moved up, so you could argue as weight drained as Oscar.
Castillo was a legit opponent although most think he lost the first time round.
Then he avoided all the best fighters in the other weight classe. He never went near Kosta Tyzsu, he didn't want anything to do with Shane Mosely, Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito and Miguel Cotto.
He forced Hatton up to him to fight at 147.
He DID beat Oscar at 154, Oscars weight class and that imo is Floyd's best win, a great achievement to go up so much above his natural weight and defeat a legend. But he was willing to meet Oscar's demands for the millions and millions he made from the fight. Every other opponent must face Floyd on HIS terms.
Please note I don't criticise for Floyd for this, it's smart.
I'm just saying that ask practically any unbiased fan who has the bigger balls between Manny Pacquaio and Floyd Mayweather and not many are saying Mayweather ;)
