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Of course not! WW and VF and Cotto beat him so what does that mean?
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Originally Posted by CFH
Yes, because the way people view him should be based upon one fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by richard (mossley)
Yeah 1 fight that he won by sensational KO and was a mile ahead on points anyway. I dont think he has a point .
:-\ what fight were you watching? the Mayorga fight was close until the sensational KO, the fact that the fight was so close and for Mosley to not let it go to the cards at the very last second was what made it such a good knockout, i had Mosley ahead by one round, two at most going into the 12th, hardly a mile ahead, the official scores were judge: Tony Crebs 107-102 | judge: Pat Russell 104-105 | judge: Nelson Vazquez 105-104Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHYes, because the way people view him should be based upon one fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by richard (mossley)
Yeah 1 fight that he won by sensational KO and was a mile ahead on points anyway. I dont think he has a point .
in favor of Shane, and IMO 107-102 is pretty ludicrous
I personally didn't think it was as close as some people thought, Ricardo Mayorga landed hardly any clean blows. I had Shane Mosley comfortably ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales:-\ what fight were you watching? the Mayorga fight was close until the sensational KO, the fact that the fight was so close and for Mosley to not let it go to the cards at the very last second was what made it such a good knockout, i had Mosley ahead by one round, two at most going into the 12th, hardly a mile ahead, the official scores were judge: Tony Crebs 107-102 | judge: Pat Russell 104-105 | judge: Nelson Vazquez 105-104Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Yeah 1 fight that he won by sensational KO and was a mile ahead on points anyway. I dont think he has a point .
in favor of Shane, and IMO 107-102 is pretty ludicrous
but he was smothering a lot of Mosley's shots and also stopping his momentum, IMO it wasn't pretty but Mayorga was being effective, and even if Mosley was well ahead, his performance was hardly as impressive than DLH's and Trinidad's against Mayorga, many believed Mayorga had nothing left prior to the Mosley fight, it came out that it wasn't soQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBI personally didn't think it was as close as some people thought, Ricardo Mayorga landed hardly any clean blows. I had Shane Mosley comfortably ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales:-\ what fight were you watching? the Mayorga fight was close until the sensational KO, the fact that the fight was so close and for Mosley to not let it go to the cards at the very last second was what made it such a good knockout, i had Mosley ahead by one round, two at most going into the 12th, hardly a mile ahead, the official scores were judge: Tony Crebs 107-102 | judge: Pat Russell 104-105 | judge: Nelson Vazquez 105-104Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
in favor of Shane, and IMO 107-102 is pretty ludicrous
I agree i wasn't impressed with Shane Mosley against Ricardo Mayorga either, he only looked good in spurts. Infact i haven't been impressed with Shane Mosley in quite awhile, were not even sure how good Antonio Margarito is without the handwraps.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesbut he was smothering a lot of Mosley's shots and also stopping his momentum, IMO it wasn't pretty but Mayorga was being effective, and even if Mosley was well ahead, his performance was hardly as impressive than DLH's and Trinidad's against Mayorga, many believed Mayorga had nothing left prior to the Mosley fight, it came out that it wasn't soQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBI personally didn't think it was as close as some people thought, Ricardo Mayorga landed hardly any clean blows. I had Shane Mosley comfortably ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Even against Luis Collazo he was losing until Luis Collazo broke his hand, which changed the momentum of the fight. I just think people are overrating Shane Mosley lately, i don't think he's been at his best since 2001.
well i thought he looked impressive against Margarito, he was throwing bombs the full fight, his stamina was amazing, and speed and punches still looked very sharpQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBI agree i wasn't impressed with Shane Mosley against Ricardo Mayorga either, he only looked good in spurts. Infact i haven't been impressed with Shane Mosley in quite awhile, were not even sure how good Antonio Margarito is without the handwraps.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesbut he was smothering a lot of Mosley's shots and also stopping his momentum, IMO it wasn't pretty but Mayorga was being effective, and even if Mosley was well ahead, his performance was hardly as impressive than DLH's and Trinidad's against Mayorga, many believed Mayorga had nothing left prior to the Mosley fight, it came out that it wasn't soQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Even against Luis Collazo he was losing until Luis Collazo broke his hand, which changed the momentum of the fight. I just think people are overrating Shane Mosley lately, i don't think he's been at his best since 2001.
Then Shane knocks out an ironed chinned top Welter 7/8 years later in dominant fashion. That's pretty good going.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI agree i wasn't impressed with Shane Mosley against Ricardo Mayorga either, he only looked good in spurts. Infact i haven't been impressed with Shane Mosley in quite awhile, were not even sure how good Antonio Margarito is without the handwraps.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesbut he was smothering a lot of Mosley's shots and also stopping his momentum, IMO it wasn't pretty but Mayorga was being effective, and even if Mosley was well ahead, his performance was hardly as impressive than DLH's and Trinidad's against Mayorga, many believed Mayorga had nothing left prior to the Mosley fight, it came out that it wasn't soQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Even against Luis Collazo he was losing until Luis Collazo broke his hand, which changed the momentum of the fight. I just think people are overrating Shane Mosley lately, i don't think he's been at his best since 2001.
The thing is though how good is Antonio Margarito ? i think he's pretty ordinary to be honest except his chin and workrate. But what made him more devastating was his supposedly thudding power, but when he didn't have the handwraps where was all that thudding power ?Quote:
Originally Posted by KelThen Shane knocks out an ironed chinned top Welter 7/8 years later in dominant fashion. That's pretty good going.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI agree i wasn't impressed with Shane Mosley against Ricardo Mayorga either, he only looked good in spurts. Infact i haven't been impressed with Shane Mosley in quite awhile, were not even sure how good Antonio Margarito is without the handwraps.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Even against Luis Collazo he was losing until Luis Collazo broke his hand, which changed the momentum of the fight. I just think people are overrating Shane Mosley lately, i don't think he's been at his best since 2001.
don't think that the wraps would have made much of a difference, he didn't land much on Shane, so the wraps didn't really matterQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBThe thing is though how good is Antonio Margarito ? i think he's pretty ordinary to be honest except his chin and workrate. But what made him more devastating was his supposedly thudding power, but when he didn't have the handwraps where was all that thudding power ?Quote:
Originally Posted by KelThen Shane knocks out an ironed chinned top Welter 7/8 years later in dominant fashion. That's pretty good going.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
yep. Margarito is made for shane mosley. he doesnt have good skill he couldnt even clinch when he was hurt he has 0 defense. he basically was a punching bag. but it was a good win.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesdon't think that the wraps would have made much of a difference, he didn't land much on Shane, so the wraps didn't really matterQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBThe thing is though how good is Antonio Margarito ? i think he's pretty ordinary to be honest except his chin and workrate. But what made him more devastating was his supposedly thudding power, but when he didn't have the handwraps where was all that thudding power ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Didn't Collazo break his hand in the 2nd or 3rd round?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI agree i wasn't impressed with Shane Mosley against Ricardo Mayorga either, he only looked good in spurts. Infact i haven't been impressed with Shane Mosley in quite awhile, were not even sure how good Antonio Margarito is without the handwraps.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesbut he was smothering a lot of Mosley's shots and also stopping his momentum, IMO it wasn't pretty but Mayorga was being effective, and even if Mosley was well ahead, his performance was hardly as impressive than DLH's and Trinidad's against Mayorga, many believed Mayorga had nothing left prior to the Mosley fight, it came out that it wasn't soQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Even against Luis Collazo he was losing until Luis Collazo broke his hand, which changed the momentum of the fight. I just think people are overrating Shane Mosley lately, i don't think he's been at his best since 2001.
I think so can't remember exactly what round, but if i remember rightly it was his left hand aswell. Which was his best weapon, and i thought he was winning the fight up until that point. That clearly had an effect on the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHDidn't Collazo break his hand in the 2nd or 3rd round?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI agree i wasn't impressed with Shane Mosley against Ricardo Mayorga either, he only looked good in spurts. Infact i haven't been impressed with Shane Mosley in quite awhile, were not even sure how good Antonio Margarito is without the handwraps.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Even against Luis Collazo he was losing until Luis Collazo broke his hand, which changed the momentum of the fight. I just think people are overrating Shane Mosley lately, i don't think he's been at his best since 2001.
Either way, I think it's far too small a sample to predict what would've happened in the rest of the fight. It's been a while since I've seen the fight, but I believe that I had the fighters splitting the first two rounds. After that, Mosley dominated.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI think so can't remember exactly what round, but if i remember rightly it was his left hand aswell. Which was his best weapon, and i thought he was winning the fight up until that point. That clearly had an effect on the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHDidn't Collazo break his hand in the 2nd or 3rd round?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
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