Re: Manny Pacquiao shift to Sugar Shane Mosley
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LOL, we at saddoboxing.com react to every rumor during negotiations like its truth revealed from on high by Zab Judah, does this not scream negotiating ploy to anybody, its what you do when you want to get your way, you use leverage, leverage in this case being Manny's team saying they can always make a fight with Shane if things don't work. And that is even if the rumor is remotely true which given the professionalism of the article in general is questionable.
Cotto-Pacquaio will almost surely happen.
:lol: at the article though, that was pure comedic gold, one of the funniest things I've read in a while.
Hence my very insightful article of recent weeks, namely do we judge fighters too much by comments or opinions attributed to them by media reports or crappy journalism rather than hearing what they themselves have to say.
Reading Miles postings is interesting to say the least. He wants to see Manny knocked out brutally for his 'grotesque' demands, frankly that's a bizarre point of view.
Manny is one of the best things to happen for boxing in a long long time. He's arguably the most exciting fighter of his generation, a very humble, dignified multiple world champ with a huge fighting heart and we should feel privaleged to see this little little big man go for history with a record breaking seventh world title win.
But Miles is once again letting his hatred of fanyboy posters warp his increasingly bitter mind.
Manny is making negotiations over weight because he's come to the very extremes of his weight limits. He has already moved through and won world titles in 6 weight classes, equalling the all time world record. He's now going for a record seventh, never in history done before.
All the other greats who won 6 world titles at 6 weights also had catchweights and negotioted hard, or in the case of Roy Jones handpicked the weakest heavyweight champ in recent history but Manny is wanting to fight the very best.
To Miles, if you think his demands are so grotesque, what other 6 weight world champ when challening for his seventh weight class was a more easy negotiator than Manny is being?
Miles just wants Pac to get ktfo because that Hatton brutalizing is still haunting him;D
Re: Manny Pacquiao shift to Sugar Shane Mosley
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Anyone that genuinely cannot appreciate Pacquiao as a fighter is blind.Pure fighter.But Its his log hugging muppets screaming like pre-teens at a Jonas brothers concert that earn the scorn,not the man himself.
exactly, his fans are the thing that drive most people up the wall, hell they've even tried to say that he wins cause God chooses him to win :rolleyes:, i fully appreciate and admire Pacquiao's talents, i gave him full props on his shocking blow out of Hatton, but his tactics of signing fights as of late have been pretty annoying and ridiculous,
he and Roach out of the ring have become HUGE manipulators
what is your proof? aside from the delahoya fight this is the only time they are asking for a catchweight in fighting a much bigger fighter.
you are just pissed that morales cant convince pac to fight at 135. you and miles and some other haters cant just accept pac's accomplishments. who cares about his fans. they are not the topic here, pac is.
Morales is long
retired and thank god, i don't think he should of even taken the 3rd fight with Pacquiao cause Morales was clearly passed it, most notably in the Raheem fight, combined with the improvements Pacquiao had made i never thought that he should of taken the fight period, and it's not only the weight he tries to manipulate, he's constantly trying to control ALL the terms of the fight, with Morales it was the gloves, Marquez his socks :-X and the pay, Diaz the pay, Hatton (who's just as big of a draw as Pacquiao) he kept demanding more money, and now the weight and money with Cotto, Mosley, and yet a guy who still gets more PPV sales than him in Mayweather, its at the point that it's ridiculous, and i can't accept his accomplishments? i've praised him in everything significant that he's accomplished, i just don't ignore his short comings, he has been ko'd twice by midgets, be it at the beginning of his career, it still happened, he has never CLEARLY beaten Marquez and avoids him as if he was the black plague, and aside from Hatton and the second Marquez fight, his last couple of opponents have been hand picked, simple as that, he's clearly won every title that he's gotten aside from the Marquez win at 130, he has moved up in weight from 108 to 140 successfully and taking on the best fighters in MOST of those divisions, but get over yourself he's not the greatest fighter of all time, he's still lightyears away from the likes of Robinson and Ali IMO
Re: Manny Pacquiao shift to Sugar Shane Mosley
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Hasn't Pac - Cotto already been signed and announced?
I thought so too. Hope this isn't true, there are too amny fights being backed out of at the minute!
Apparently it hasn't been signed yet.
I hope it gets signed soon because I can't take too much more of this shit.
Re: Manny Pacquiao shift to Sugar Shane Mosley
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I thought so too. Hope this isn't true, there are too amny fights being backed out of at the minute!
Apparently it hasn't been signed yet.
I hope it gets signed soon because I can't take too much more of this shit.
yea all this on again off again crap lately is annoying, first Haye/Wlad, then Haye/Vitali, than Pac/Cotto, and now maybe Pac/Mosley :-\, make up your fucking minds
Re: Manny Pacquiao shift to Sugar Shane Mosley
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LOL, we at saddoboxing.com react to every rumor during negotiations like its truth revealed from on high by Zab Judah, does this not scream negotiating ploy to anybody, its what you do when you want to get your way, you use leverage, leverage in this case being Manny's team saying they can always make a fight with Shane if things don't work. And that is even if the rumor is remotely true which given the professionalism of the article in general is questionable.
Cotto-Pacquaio will almost surely happen.
:lol: at the article though, that was pure comedic gold, one of the funniest things I've read in a while.
Hence my very insightful article of recent weeks, namely do we judge fighters too much by comments or opinions attributed to them by media reports or crappy journalism rather than hearing what they themselves have to say.
Reading Miles postings is interesting to say the least. He wants to see Manny knocked out brutally for his 'grotesque' demands, frankly that's a bizarre point of view.
Manny is one of the best things to happen for boxing in a long long time. He's arguably the most exciting fighter of his generation, a very humble, dignified multiple world champ with a huge fighting heart and we should feel privaleged to see this little little big man go for history with a record breaking seventh world title win.
But Miles is once again letting his hatred of fanyboy posters warp his increasingly bitter mind.
Manny is making negotiations over weight because he's come to the very extremes of his weight limits. He has already moved through and won world titles in 6 weight classes, equalling the all time world record. He's now going for a record seventh, never in history done before.
All the other greats who won 6 world titles at 6 weights also had catchweights and negotioted hard, or in the case of Roy Jones handpicked the weakest heavyweight champ in recent history but Manny is wanting to fight the very best.
To Miles, if you think his demands are so grotesque, what other 6 weight world champ when challening for his seventh weight class was a more easy negotiator than Manny is being?
Miles just wants Pac to get ktfo because that Hatton brutalizing is still haunting him;D
I'm a little bit surprised to see Bilbo calling out my post there. But you have pretty much summed up my thinking. The Hatton fight was something I got so excited about and really got into the build up and it was just a mauling which made me quite depressed for a while.
As for Manny's seventh title claims. Well, he is coming up from smaller weights and at a youngish age which means these weight gains are pretty natural. He is hardly James Toney in doing this. And he has slipped in the odd David Diaz on the way too. Of course, I'm going to support Cotto and Mosley over him. He beat Barrera too lest we forget.
And maybe my thoughts are somewhat bitter, but thats just because I don't want my fighters to lose.
Re: Manny Pacquiao shift to Sugar Shane Mosley
All this switching of opponents is becoming a bit of a joke. I said in a previous post that i'd believe the Pac Cotto fight when the are stood head to head in the ring. I can't see why Arum would want to see one of his fighters beat on the other. So much BS goes on in the background that I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if this is purely to drum publicity and stir up mayweather into skipping JMM. Who knows.
Re: Manny Pacquiao shift to Sugar Shane Mosley
All is fine, as long as we don't do a "patty cake" type rant spewing hate, complete with biased and illogical accusations hurled towards Pacquiao or anyone else for that matter, will always be a good read to me.
Don't hate on the PFP king, we are all getting carried away expending valuable energy and possibly, all for nothing... these are but pre-fight dress rehearsals or of sterner stuff in the name of negotiation.
Good topic tho' ... anything hammering Roach, Pacquiao, Khan and other winners like them on a roll, is always a magnet for illusory opinions delivered with vehement conviction, just as if indeed, it is factual!
As an audience though exposed to these rantings, one need be impartial, lest he be negatively swayed, damaged, and walkin' about with irrational thoughts. LOL!
Re: Manny Pacquiao shift to Sugar Shane Mosley
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Apparently it hasn't been signed yet.
I hope it gets signed soon because I can't take too much more of this shit.
yea all this on again off again crap lately is annoying, first Haye/Wlad, then Haye/Vitali, than Pac/Cotto, and now maybe Pac/Mosley :-\, make up your fucking minds
I was more referring to people bickering about it on here. We just keep going around in circles rehashing the same old arguments.
Re: Manny Pacquiao shift to Sugar Shane Mosley
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I hope it gets signed soon because I can't take too much more of this shit.
yea all this on again off again crap lately is annoying, first Haye/Wlad, then Haye/Vitali, than Pac/Cotto, and now maybe Pac/Mosley :-\, make up your fucking minds
I was more referring to people bickering about it on here. We just keep going around in circles rehashing the same old arguments.
I was thinking about both;D
It's funny; sometimes it seems people think if they keep coming up with different ways to say the same thing that suddenly a huge light bulb will start flickering to the opposing side. Or, like after a big fight, people will try to lessen their psych damage by making excuses with the if if could have should have. I say stfu, deal with it; the fighters should have trained for the if's and could have's.....i.e. Hatton;D
Though I like Pacman alot, I have this deep seated need to see him get knocked unconscious just to see how the fans who hang a hammock up under his testes deal with it:blahbla: :blahbla: :blahbla:
Some would no doubt take it harder than others. C-Lo is a good dude; loves Pac but doesn't act like a jackass; would take it ike a man. Saddoboxer might do this to himself....one can only hope :)
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Re: Manny Pacquiao shift to Sugar Shane Mosley
Actually the cause of all these talk is Pac's camp asking Cotto to shed 2 pounds on Welterweight limit of 147. If Cotto agrees with it, then he is confident he can make the weight and win the fight.
We fans should be blessed to have this fight to happen, we should not speak on behalf of Cotto that this "so called Pac tactics and manipulation" would surely his defeat as all Cotto fans are feeling.
I repeat, 145 it's a weigh-in weight and Cotto can weight 170lbs during the fight. Cotto believes he can make the weight so we fans should be grateful he is taking this fight.
Cotto has his own fight plans and Cotto sees 145 weigh-in limits not much to worry. Give him props for accepting the fight.
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Actually the cause of all these talk is Pac's camp asking Cotto to shed 2 pounds on Welterweight limit of 147. If Cotto agrees with it, then he is confident he can make the weight and win the fight.
We fans should be blessed to have this fight to happen, we should not speak on behalf of Cotto that this "so called Pac tactics and manipulation" would surely his defeat as all Cotto fans are feeling.
I repeat, 145 it's a weigh-in weight and Cotto can weight 170lbs during the fight. Cotto believes he can make the weight so we fans should be grateful he is taking this fight.
Cotto has his own fight plans and Cotto sees 145 weigh-in limits not much to worry. Give him props for accepting the fight.
that's not what they're going on about, Cotto agreed to a 145 lb NON-TITLE CATCHWEIGHT fight, and yet Pacquiao and the WBO are trying to get it to be a title fight at 145, and as Cotto himself said clearly, he's not putting the title up, and if they want to strip him, he'll go hand in the title himself
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Actually the cause of all these talk is Pac's camp asking Cotto to shed 2 pounds on Welterweight limit of 147. If Cotto agrees with it, then he is confident he can make the weight and win the fight.
We fans should be blessed to have this fight to happen, we should not speak on behalf of Cotto that this "so called Pac tactics and manipulation" would surely his defeat as all Cotto fans are feeling.
I repeat, 145 it's a weigh-in weight and Cotto can weight 170lbs during the fight. Cotto believes he can make the weight so we fans should be grateful he is taking this fight.
Cotto has his own fight plans and Cotto sees 145 weigh-in limits not much to worry. Give him props for accepting the fight.
that's not what they're going on about, Cotto agreed to a 145 lb NON-TITLE CATCHWEIGHT fight, and yet Pacquiao and the WBO are trying to get it to be a title fight at 145, and as Cotto himself said clearly, he's not putting the title up, and if they want to strip him, he'll go hand in the title himself
What interest the Pac camp is Cotto's belt, without the belt, what will be the sense in beating Cotto? he just be another statistics.
Pac would not become more special if he beats Cotto without the belt.
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Re: Manny Pacquiao shift to Sugar Shane Mosley
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spade
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ElTerribleMorales
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spade
Actually the cause of all these talk is Pac's camp asking Cotto to shed 2 pounds on Welterweight limit of 147. If Cotto agrees with it, then he is confident he can make the weight and win the fight.
We fans should be blessed to have this fight to happen, we should not speak on behalf of Cotto that this "so called Pac tactics and manipulation" would surely his defeat as all Cotto fans are feeling.
I repeat, 145 it's a weigh-in weight and Cotto can weight 170lbs during the fight. Cotto believes he can make the weight so we fans should be grateful he is taking this fight.
Cotto has his own fight plans and Cotto sees 145 weigh-in limits not much to worry. Give him props for accepting the fight.
that's not what they're going on about, Cotto agreed to a 145 lb NON-TITLE CATCHWEIGHT fight, and yet Pacquiao and the WBO are trying to get it to be a title fight at 145, and as Cotto himself said clearly, he's not putting the title up, and if they want to strip him, he'll go hand in the title himself
What interest the Pac camp is Cotto's belt, without the belt, what will be the sense in beating Cotto? he just be another statistics.
Pac would not become more special if he beats Cotto without the belt.
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any win over Cotto, title or not, is bigger than anything he's done as of late, barring maybe the Hatton win, IMO it'd be the biggest win since his second fight with Morales
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spade
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ElTerribleMorales
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spade
Actually the cause of all these talk is Pac's camp asking Cotto to shed 2 pounds on Welterweight limit of 147. If Cotto agrees with it, then he is confident he can make the weight and win the fight.
We fans should be blessed to have this fight to happen, we should not speak on behalf of Cotto that this "so called Pac tactics and manipulation" would surely his defeat as all Cotto fans are feeling.
I repeat, 145 it's a weigh-in weight and Cotto can weight 170lbs during the fight. Cotto believes he can make the weight so we fans should be grateful he is taking this fight.
Cotto has his own fight plans and Cotto sees 145 weigh-in limits not much to worry. Give him props for accepting the fight.
that's not what they're going on about, Cotto agreed to a 145 lb NON-TITLE CATCHWEIGHT fight, and yet Pacquiao and the WBO are trying to get it to be a title fight at 145, and as Cotto himself said clearly, he's not putting the title up, and if they want to strip him, he'll go hand in the title himself
What interest the Pac camp is Cotto's belt, without the belt, what will be the sense in beating Cotto? he just be another statistics.
Pac would not become more special if he beats Cotto without the belt.
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Pac beating Cotto at 145, title or no, would be the biggest and most impressive victory of him career IMO.
Re: Manny Pacquiao shift to Sugar Shane Mosley
Fighting for Cotto's title is a CALCULATED risk, it's worth the risk though winning the 7th div title is for boxing immortality. If Manny loses at least we know we tried. If Manny wins in a non-title fight people from 100 years from now won't even care that he fought a man named Miguel Cotto.
I'd rather have Manny taking a BIGGER RISK with Mosely with the welter belt on the line.
Manny does not need Cotto in order to fight PBF.
NO TITLE NO FIGHT FOR ME.
