People say Roy was over the hill when he fought Calzaghe but he is only 3 years older than him. If Jones was over the hill when they are so close in age surely Calzaghe was over the hill too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
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People say Roy was over the hill when he fought Calzaghe but he is only 3 years older than him. If Jones was over the hill when they are so close in age surely Calzaghe was over the hill too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Fenster, common opponents are one thing the style matchup between Benn and Toney is quite another. Toney would pick him apart.
Snakefist, Joe hasn't had to drop 20 pounds of muscle recently and that's what screwed RJJ up so badly. When Roy left 175 nobody could touch him...Calzaghe only recently left 168 and he hasn't moved back down to 168 either.
That's just fantasy though. There is no possible way you will ever know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
The form is where the facts are. The form book points to Benn. Fact.
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Moving down weight classes can give you more of an advantage than moving up. It depends on the natural size of a person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
What weight devision was Roy Jones in origonally. If he is better at heavyweight then I must admit I would like to see him fight the Klitchko,s.
With good training up to the fight I would give him a better chance than any of the heavyweights.
Lord I'm so sick of Roy Joke JR. He's made a career of running from tough fights.
People like to think that, but I don't think it's the case. RJJ had the opportunity to have some huge fights, the other fighters ran away from him as well and it's not as if he never fought anyone good at all: Bernad Hopkins, James Toney, Virgil Hill, Julio Cesar Gonzales, Montell Griffin, Mike McCallum, Thulani Malinga....Roy had some very good fights vs solid competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
The ones he missed out on were: Dariusz Michalczweski, Svenn Ottke, Vassiliy Jirov, Bernard Hopkins II, James Toney II, Joe Calzaghe in their primes, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Steve Collins, Gerald McClellan....but hell I don't see him having much trouble with any of those guys
It can be better in certain occasions to drop weight, but RJJ had to drop MUSCLE and 20 pounds of it. He never weighed in at the heavyweight minimum, he weighed 193 for the fight with John Ruiz, it would have made sense for him to fight at cruiser instead of 175.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakefist Ar Fu
Roy fighting the Klitschko's would be murder...say what you will about Roy's skill and all, but Bob Foster a GREAT light heavyweight fought a couple fights vs the best heavyweights and he got sparked out big time! The same would have happened to Roy.
Spot on Lyle. Anyone who thinks Benn would have a chance vs a prime RJJ is just plain on drugs. I watched Benn get whupped off Watson who was good but never Roys level as we saw when he got demolished off McCallum. And forget the draw with Eubank, Benn got shown in the first fight that he was not on Eubanks level, by the rematch Eubank was on the slope especially mentally because of what he had done to Watson. Then there is Benn's common opponent with Jones, Malinga! Well I don't think we need to say anymore Jones Schooled him and KO'd him Benn struggled through a decision and then lost to him. As for Calzaghe an old past it has been Jones floored him and then only got beat so comfortably due to the cut above his eye totally blinding him on one side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Jones was on a totally different level, especially to Benn!
Exactly bud, and on the point I made with James Toney...Toney has one of the best chins/defenses in boxing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGLXZJo8p4Y
Agree totally with your points on Toney. He should have been in the voting for this little discussion. His "come from behind" (although I thought it was even when he KO'd him) win over Nunn was a special fight for me. I was a young boy watching boxing with my Dad and I just wanted to see more and more of this guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
As for his chin and defense, If anyone has played the new fight night game with Ali, Teddy Atlas says something along the lines of "Ali was really hard to hit due to his reflex's and speed and then when someone did eventually get through he just stood there and took it because of his great chin" well that to me sums up James Toney, he is a defensive master and has a granite chin behind it, if it wasn't for his drug cheating I would get on about him a lot more on here but he really let everyone down when he started using steroids.
A fight I would have loved to have seen him in though was against B-Hop, it may not have had any interest from Joe public, but for the boxing purists it would have been a very meaningful and hard to predict fight, certainly for me.