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I'll state it another way. Who is more likely to use designer drugs that are undetectable in a substance test?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
So Pac still lives on the streets in Manila does he? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Someone who grew up in a third world country, or someone nurtured to compete in the Olympics?
It is far more likely for the accuser and his family to be associated with the type of drugs mentioned, than it is for the accused.
Where they grew up & how makes absolutely fuck all difference. I don't personally think that Pac does take steroids, but him growing up in a third world country doesn't in any way make him less likely to.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyI'll state it another way. Who is more likely to use designer drugs that are undetectable in a substance test?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinSo Pac still lives on the streets in Manila does he? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Someone who grew up in a third world country, or someone nurtured to compete in the Olympics?
It is far more likely for the accuser and his family to be associated with the type of drugs mentioned, than it is for the accused.
Someone could argue that growing up malnutritioned in the third world would encourage Pac to turn to steroids once he was out of that situation in order to make up for the nutritional deficiencies he suffered in his youth, whilst Mayweather had grown up in the sport naturally. However, that argument would be just as weak & spurious as yours.
We have a difference of opinion. I think your opinion is just short sided.
Environment makes a big difference when it comes to exposure and opportunity.
"It's not what you know, it's who you know."
First of all, you mean short-sighted not short-sided.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Secondly, you're right environment makes a big difference. But, it's not like Pac has been living on the streets of Manilla & training in a hut the past 7 or 8 years. He's been training out in Hollywood, he's one of the richest men in his country & he's promoted by arguably the most powerful promoter in boxing, Bob Arum. He's really not struggling for contacts if he were to want to take steroids.
Again, I don't believe he did it, but let's not act like the Phillipines is the most pure country in the world, whilst all in the US are corrupt cheating whores. It makes no difference where someone comes from, they're both in the same business & of similar profile.
Yes, I agree it is possible that Pacquiao could have done something but I don't believe it either. So I do get your point that Pacquiao presents outside the Philippines he could have been exposed to some substance.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinFirst of all, you mean short-sighted not short-sided.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Secondly, you're right environment makes a big difference. But, it's not like Pac has been living on the streets of Manilla & training in a hut the past 7 or 8 years. He's been training out in Hollywood, he's one of the richest men in his country & he's promoted by arguably the most powerful promoter in boxing, Bob Arum. He's really not struggling for contacts if he were to want to take steroids.
Again, I don't believe he did it, but let's not act like the Phillipines is the most pure country in the world, whilst all in the US are corrupt cheating whores. It makes no difference where someone comes from, they're both in the same business & of similar profile.
Holy crap dude! What the hell you got against the Philippines? The Philippines is one of the most corrupt places I know, but the poor are really poor. They wouldn't know what the hell you are talking about when you said steroids let alone the more sophisticated designer drugs genetically engineered to avoid detection. That shit comes from developed worlds. And that is my point. It is "less likely" for Pacquiao to have come in contact with the stuff than Mayweather so if an argument is going to be made for for someone using the shit its a better premise for Mayweather than Pacquiao. And I'm not saying Mayweather Jr. does the shit either. And I'm not saying the US is a place of corrupt cheating whores, although some of the most successful ones are in the US. Except for Margacheato.
Again, you imagine someone is attacking the Philippines when they're not. I have nothing against the place, but the elite & wealthy (of which Pacquiao is now a part) will have just as much access to steroids as a sportsman in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyYes, I agree it is possible that Pacquiao could have done something but I don't believe it either. So I do get your point that Pacquiao presents outside the Philippines he could have been exposed to some substance.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinFirst of all, you mean short-sighted not short-sided.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Secondly, you're right environment makes a big difference. But, it's not like Pac has been living on the streets of Manilla & training in a hut the past 7 or 8 years. He's been training out in Hollywood, he's one of the richest men in his country & he's promoted by arguably the most powerful promoter in boxing, Bob Arum. He's really not struggling for contacts if he were to want to take steroids.
Again, I don't believe he did it, but let's not act like the Phillipines is the most pure country in the world, whilst all in the US are corrupt cheating whores. It makes no difference where someone comes from, they're both in the same business & of similar profile.
Holy crap dude! What the hell you got against the Philippines? The Philippines is one of the most corrupt places I know, but the poor are really poor. They wouldn't know what the hell you are talking about when you said steroids let alone the more sophisticated designer drugs genetically engineered to avoid detection. That shit comes from developed worlds. And that is my point. It is "less likely" for Pacquiao to have come in contact with the stuff than Mayweather so if an argument is going to be made for for someone using the shit its a better premise for Mayweather than Pacquiao. And I'm not saying Mayweather Jr. does the shit either. And I'm not saying the US is a place of corrupt cheating whores, although some of the most successful ones are in the US. Except for Margacheato.
You're right the poor will not know what they are there, but Pac ain't poor no more. He's a multi-millionaire sports star. The poor in the US are unlikely to have spare cash lying around to buy steroids, so I don't understand why you're bringing up the underclass, which neither Floyd nor Manny are part of, at least not any more.
He's just as likely to have come into contact with them as Floyd, I don't think Mayweather Sr is talking about Pac's early boxing years when talking about steroids, more his recent rise through the weight classes. Unless you're gonna tell me Pac sleeps on the streets of a slum out of solidarity.
Brad Cooney of Mississippi Fight Sports Examiner writes...
It's one thing to hype up a fight and to talk some trash back and forth all in good fun, but to outright accuse someone of taking steroids without providing any facts, or proof is a completely different story. This writer would not be one bit surprised if team Pacquiao responds to these accusations with a heavy hand, very possibly with attorneys in order to get to the bottom of this. Something like this should not be handled with kids gloves, this was a very outlandish accusation that will more than likely be responded to very accordingly.
There is a scripture in the Bible where Jesus says, "Why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, with never a thought for the plank in your own?" Perhaps Mr Mayweather Sr should look in the mirror and evaluate his life, and look at the behavior of his own family before slandering or defaming another human being.
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The Mayweathers: Curly, Larry, and Moe, are trying to bring down Pac to enable them to catch up to his level!
Link to the full article below:
Mayweather Sr better have facts to back up steroid accusation
I hope to Christ noboby strikes a match around Floyd Sr...that bitch's probably on the verge of internal combustion what with all the fuel for fires he'll be tottin' for junior's next match...provided he get's by my guy this weekend.
Actually...I'd like to retract my previous statement...somebody hit one of the pressers & strike a muh-fwockin-miz-atch!!!
Heh heh heh.
I think this accusation is all a mental thing. They want Mannys name to be liked with steroids so it will snowball into a contraversy. Manny has overcome a lot of adversity and is mentally very tough. They are trying to get an edge by disrupting Mannys career. Its also a Roach-Floyd Sr. rivalry thing. I dont think they should be worrying about mental warfare with Manny and Roach though because the Mayweather-Pacquiao only happens if they both win their fights and I dont see that happening for Pac.
And I think you're right, looking how it's started brewing here already.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
I think taeth hit on in one of the other Pac/steroid threads when he pointed out pac isn't weighing in much more now than he did at fight night when he was at 130, just that he no longer has to cut the weight so comes in more fresh.
People are always going to talk. When you're at the top, like pacquiao, they will talk more. By the time Pacquiao gets into the ring with Cotto his career will probably be "tainted" by steroid rumors just cause of fan boy talk that gained momentum on forums :rolleyes:
If we doubt it, which we probably all should considering, then don't post about it or talk about it, because it will only perpetuate the rumor.
Who's more likely to be taking banned performance enhancers?Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyI'll state it another way. Who is more likely to use designer drugs that are undetectable in a substance test?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinSo Pac still lives on the streets in Manila does he? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Someone who grew up in a third world country, or someone nurtured to compete in the Olympics?
It is far more likely for the accuser and his family to be associated with the type of drugs mentioned, than it is for the accused.
An elite athlete at the pinnacle of his sport who earns millions
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An elite athlete at the pinnacle of his sport who earns millions?
Hmmm that is a tough one? ;)
(The answer is that they;re both as likely as each other)
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Originally Posted by AlthugzThank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Floyd Mayweather Sr isn't as stupid as he sounds...and it wouldn't surprise me one bit either but as others have said, you can have your opinions but can't go pointing fingers without proof.
All I'll say is that it is hard jump from 105 to 140lbs of PURE muscle - If you guys can imagine 35lbs of pure muscle, it's a shocking amount. Imagine what 35lbs of chicken breasts or steaks would look like.
Couple that with the fact that Pacquaio's training schedule would never allow him to put on significant size due to the amount of calories he must be burning in training for a fight. It's just not really going to happen.
I can understand him filling out slightly since he began but not to the tune of 35lbs of extra muscle.
But hey, I may be wrong and he might be a genetic superfreak because I'd certainly never like to accuse anybody ;)
Pacquiao started fighting at pro at 16 years old. He lied about being 18 so that he could fight. He is now 30 years of age.
So that is 35 pounds added in 12 years. That's not a lot. That's only 2.9 pounds of muscle each year. He was basically forcing his body to stay at 130 for a while. That's why he wasn't is the usual attacking mode in the second Marquez fight.
When he added weight to fight Diaz, Pacquiao had more energy and was more agressive. In the Oscar fight, he was again more energetic and moved easily.
I'm about 5'10" and weight a round 185 with about 10% bodyfat.
I weighed 140 pounds when I was in high school.
A 140 pound, 30 year old man is not a lot. How many 30 year olds do you know weighing only140 pounds.
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Originally Posted by AdamGBWho's more likely to be taking banned performance enhancers?Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyI'll state it another way. Who is more likely to use designer drugs that are undetectable in a substance test?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Someone who grew up in a third world country, or someone nurtured to compete in the Olympics?
It is far more likely for the accuser and his family to be associated with the type of drugs mentioned, than it is for the accused.
An elite athlete at the pinnacle of his sport who earns millions
or
An elite athlete at the pinnacle of his sport who earns millions?
Hmmm that is a tough one? ;)
(The answer is that they;re both as likely as each other)
The more likely is one from a family who are known criminals. Floyd sr. went to jail for selling illegal drugs.
Pacquiao is a very religious and decent person that treats everyone with respect. On the other hand, the Mayweathers have been know to beat women, abuse their child, sell drugs, involve in shooting, evade tax laws, and treat people with disrespect.
So who is more likely to cheat, lie, break laws and use steroids?
Not so tough to surmise who is more likely.
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My wife went to the doctors and says "Doc I'm really worried, I've been taking steroids and seem to have grown a penis"
Doc says "anabolic?" stupid bitch says "no just a penis."