they both deserved the loss IMO...
its not really that important as both have no chance of winning this thing.
For me Abraham has the easiest fight draw missing Ward and Kessler that can't be right. ???
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they both deserved the loss IMO...
its not really that important as both have no chance of winning this thing.
For me Abraham has the easiest fight draw missing Ward and Kessler that can't be right. ???
You are correct on both counts. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Kessler :jabbing: Froch
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
They should have both been chucked out for boring everyone to death at 3am in the morning.
So what are you taking umbrage with?Quote:
Originally Posted by switch-hitter:oI cant belive what you say.Froch was right on his game,he fought a guy that came over here NOT to fight!He ran his ass off for the full twelve,he was elusive,quick and a potential banana skin.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterTrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
They should have both been chucked out for boring everyone to death at 3am in the morning.
He was unbeaten and very well respected in the States but he never came to fight.
I was at the fight and to me it was an accomplished tactical performance with the correct result.(no way a split decision)
Froch can take a punch,he can end a fight in a split second and against Jean Pascal produced one of the fights of the year.
It's plain to see that your not a fan which maybe clouds your true view.
Froch does 12 rounds with ease and will still drop an opponent in the twelth.
Wakey wakey it's 2.40am!Obviously a little too late for you or your depth of boxing knowledge does not deserve the mantle that you attempt to portray:confused:
I think it was boring you think not, right?
I think Froch and Dirrell both fought shit you think not, right?
OK well i'm glad you enjoyed the fight. That's all I got :-\
it was only 10 over here and i don't know what fight you were watching, Froch is a dirty bastard and his name should never be paired with the word tactical, cause all he did was fight dirty and swing and miss, and eat up any leather that Dirrell was willing to throw, he swept the first 4, gave away the next 2 and pretty much won every single round afterwards, rocking the hell out of Froch for the last 2 rounds, the fight was crap and it was the perfect example of a hometown decision, it was just as bad or worse than the Houston scorecards for Diaz/Malignaggi, at least you could make a case that Diaz won, although not by those scores, but no way in hell did Froch win that fight, he's utter garbage and an embarrassmentQuote:
Originally Posted by switch-hitter:oI cant belive what you say.Froch was right on his game,he fought a guy that came over here NOT to fight!He ran his ass off for the full twelve,he was elusive,quick and a potential banana skin.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterTrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
They should have both been chucked out for boring everyone to death at 3am in the morning.
He was unbeaten and very well respected in the States but he never came to fight.
I was at the fight and to me it was an accomplished tactical performance with the correct result.(no way a split decision)
Froch can take a punch,he can end a fight in a split second and against Jean Pascal produced one of the fights of the year.
It's plain to see that your not a fan which maybe clouds your true view.
Froch does 12 rounds with ease and will still drop an opponent in the twelth.
Wakey wakey it's 2.40am!Obviously a little too late for you or your depth of boxing knowledge does not deserve the mantle that you attempt to portray:confused:
I actually think Dirrell could still win. I'm not sure who he's fighting in the third round, but I think there's a real possibility that he outboxes Abraham.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
I'm not sure what a banana skin is in boxing parlance, but most people consider being quick and elusive a good thing...Quote:
Originally Posted by switch-hitter:oI cant belive what you say.Froch was right on his game,he fought a guy that came over here NOT to fight!He ran his ass off for the full twelve,he was elusive,quick and a potential banana skin.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterTrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
They should have both been chucked out for boring everyone to death at 3am in the morning.
He was unbeaten and very well respected in the States but he never came to fight.
I was at the fight and to me it was an accomplished tactical performance with the correct result.(no way a split decision)
Froch can take a punch,he can end a fight in a split second and against Jean Pascal produced one of the fights of the year.
It's plain to see that your not a fan which maybe clouds your true view.
Froch does 12 rounds with ease and will still drop an opponent in the twelth.
Wakey wakey it's 2.40am!Obviously a little too late for you or your depth of boxing knowledge does not deserve the mantle that you attempt to portray:confused:
And him not being a fan of Froch's clouds his view :confused:. It would seem to me that the opposite would be true. I really didn't mean for that to rhyme... :p
I agree with Saddo on this, neither guy should be considered champ after that. Dirrell showed that when he chose to open up with combinations Froch had no chance skill wise, unfortunately most of the fight he spent running in to hug and run away, which is frustrating, because with his hand speed it looked to me like he could have had an easy night of it.
Froch was delusional thinking that he did enough to win as well though, just because you are coming forward doesn't mean you win especially when you aren't landing anything. He can get frustrated all he wants about Dirrell not standing to trade, fact is the few times that did happen Froch was on the short end of the stick in the exchange. I saw Froch land one meaningful punch that entire fight, to which Dirrell punched him back at the end and Froch withdrew.
Bottom line is Fenster is right that Dirrell deserved to lose, maybe in hind sight he will realize "maybe I should have punched him in the mouth more"
I'm not outraged by the decision, but I am extremely frustrated with Dirrell's performance, no less so than Froch's a suplex should at least merit a warning.
Fenster: your love of inflammatory statements never ceases to amuse and entertain me :)
Amuse and entertain? Great stuff ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Don't know where you got me being a Froch fan from? :-\
Killersheep, exactly! :cool:
And why was froch fouling, because dirrell refused to fight and kept exposing the back of his head, which is assume is illegal. He kept turning his body and the back of his head leaving only the back of his head to punch. As far as i know that's not allowed. So if the back and back of his head is the only thing that froch had to punch, why not punch it as hard as you can, so that dirrell will stop his illegal tactics. Dirrell is shit. All he had was speed and if he didn't have his speed he would have been ko'd like taylor was.
I never said you were a Froch fan, if that was directed at me, I was replying to the person who seemed to be implying that the fact that you did not seen to be a Froch fan somehow clouded your judgement, which I feel is incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterAmuse and entertain? Great stuff ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Don't know where you got me being a Froch fan from? :-\
Killersheep, exactly! :cool:
Ah rightQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHI never said you were a Froch fan, if that was directed at me, I was replying to the person who seemed to be implying that the fact that you did not seen to be a Froch fan somehow clouded your judgement, which I feel is incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterAmuse and entertain? Great stuff ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Don't know where you got me being a Froch fan from? :-\
Killersheep, exactly! :cool:
I didn't really get what he was waffling about to be honest.
Just happy he enjoyed himself.
It was a boring, crappy close fight with many of the rounds having no action whatsoever. Froch was at least making the fight. I said yesterday I thought Froch getting the nod was fair enough and I stand by that. A draw would be fine too. I'm less inclined to award theatrics of the kind Dirrell was exhibiting.
The guy should be a ballerina, not a boxer. I hope he gets duffed up over the course of the tournament and decides track and field is more his thing.
This isn't directed at you specifically Niles, but none of those things should have any real bearing on the scoring of a fight beyond where they fit into the four criteria, especially in this instance where Froch did nothing that was effective. It is the referees job to worry about that stuff, he can penalize or disqualify a fighter if he feels it is warranted.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Judging is based on 4 criteria:
Clean punching
Effective Aggression
Defense
Ring Generalship
In those areas Dirrell clearly won the fight IMO.