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Tallying the countries isn't the point. Forrest Gump can workout America will have more robberies due to more high-profile fights. Fuck sake ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
I'm trying to establish if the attitude of American's thinking they have no chance of getting a decision in Europe, or Brits thinking they need a KO to get a draw in Germany is actually based on any facts?
We should have MORE than a couple of instances, no?
I need Britkid, Scrap or someone that's clued-up on boxing history.
Recent Brit winners in Germany/Italy in "world" title fights.
Eubank UD over Rocchigiani in Germany.
Benn over Galvano in Italy (i'm adding that because i remember them screaming the Italians were trying to pull a stroke by making it go to a TD)
Thompson SD over R. Rocchigiani in Germany.
Nelson MD over Petkovic in Germany and SD over Cantore in Italy.
Yes i'm wearing an anorak. :beat:
wasn't Corey Spinks screwed over in Italy a while back?
Against Piccirillo. I can't rememebr seeing the fight but there are reports it was a controversial decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Listing Fights that happened in America against fighters who clearly are American or fight the majority of their fights in America are clearly Farcial.
People are pissed about the involvement of Europe's and UK's ref's in fights in addition to the decisions
Benn-McClellan
Hatton-Tzyu
Dirrell-Froch
Abraham-Miranda
Its clear what your trying to establish, but quite empty in theory
i agree, i mean i'm tired of corrupt judges, but it's in the sport in general, it's world-wide, not one specific placeQuote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Well name the dodgy decisions then? That's all i'm trying to get at. If decisions in Europe are so stunningly biased we should ALL know more than the odd fucking Holyfield-Valuev fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
As for Europe's refs
American ref Randy Neumann did Abraham-Miranda and Panamanian ref Hector Afu did Dirrell-Froch. ;)
Marquez-John-Indonesia that's one for over seas.
Dave Parris- Leeds, Yorkshire, England (Hatton-Tszyu)Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterWell name the dodgy decisions then? That's all i'm trying to get at. If decisions in Europe are so stunningly biased we should ALL know more than the odd fucking Holyfield-Valuev fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
As for Europe's refs
American ref Randy Neumann did Abraham-Miranda and Panamanian ref Hector Afu did Dirrell-Froch. ;)
Yes that classes him as European. Like Alfred Asaro who reffed Benn-McClellan is from Belgium/France which also classes him as European - hence why it was unnecessary to mention them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesDave Parris- Leeds, Yorkshire, England (Hatton-Tszyu)Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterWell name the dodgy decisions then? That's all i'm trying to get at. If decisions in Europe are so stunningly biased we should ALL know more than the odd fucking Holyfield-Valuev fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
As for Europe's refs
American ref Randy Neumann did Abraham-Miranda and Panamanian ref Hector Afu did Dirrell-Froch. ;)
Understand? ;)Quote:
People are pissed about the involvement of Europe's and UK's ref's in fights
yea i understand that you're trying to just insinuate that the US is the capital of bad judging and bad ref's, when it's spread pretty evenly world wide, if you believe that Holyfield/Valuev is the only REAL bad call then you need to stop sucking on the bong buddy, it's clear Europe has had very bad calls, but so has every other fucking corner of the planet, it's the point i tried to make earlier, it's a huge problem in the SPORT itself, not any single given country or areaQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterYes that classes him as European. Like Alfred Asaro who reffed Benn-McClellan is from Belgium/France which also classes him as European - hence why it was unnecessary to mention them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesDave Parris- Leeds, Yorkshire, England (Hatton-Tszyu)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Understand? ;)Quote:
People are pissed about the involvement of Europe's and UK's ref's in fights
Fucks sake :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea i understand that you're trying to just insinuate that the US is the capital of bad judging and bad ref's, when it's spread pretty evenly world wide, if you believe that Holyfield/Valuev is the only REAL bad call then you need to stop sucking on the bong buddy, it's clear Europe has had very bad calls, but so has every other fucking corner of the planet, it's the point i tried to make earlier, it's a huge problem in the SPORT itself, not any single given country or areaQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterYes that classes him as European. Like Alfred Asaro who reffed Benn-McClellan is from Belgium/France which also classes him as European - hence why it was unnecessary to mention them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Understand? ;)Quote:
People are pissed about the involvement of Europe's and UK's ref's in fights
I too believe that bad refs and bad judging goes on EVERYWHERE!!!
I'm trying to find out if there's any actual EVIDENCE to back up peoples claims that Germany/Europe is the robbery capital of boxing.
WE should be able to name loads of fights. But so far no-one can name fuck all apart from Holyfield-Valuev and disputed Froch-Dirrell decision.
Someone here that knows about boxing history must be able to help me out?
they already mentioned the Whitaker "loss" to Ramirez in France is a pretty big one, Calzaghe/Reid is another one, a lot of sportswriters believed Ruiz beat Valuev the first time around as well, all of which were title fightsQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterFucks sake :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea i understand that you're trying to just insinuate that the US is the capital of bad judging and bad ref's, when it's spread pretty evenly world wide, if you believe that Holyfield/Valuev is the only REAL bad call then you need to stop sucking on the bong buddy, it's clear Europe has had very bad calls, but so has every other fucking corner of the planet, it's the point i tried to make earlier, it's a huge problem in the SPORT itself, not any single given country or areaQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I too believe that bad refs and bad judging goes on EVERYWHERE!!!
I'm trying to find out if there's any actual EVIDENCE to back up peoples claims that Germany/Europe is the robbery capital of boxing.
WE should be able to name loads of fights. But so far no-one can name fuck all apart from Holyfield-Valuev and disputed Froch-Dirrell decision.
Someone here that knows about boxing history must be able to help me out?
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesthey already mentioned the Whitaker "loss" to Ramirez in France is a pretty big one, Calzaghe/Reid is another oneQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterFucks sake :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I too believe that bad refs and bad judging goes on EVERYWHERE!!!
I'm trying to find out if there's any actual EVIDENCE to back up peoples claims that Germany/Europe is the robbery capital of boxing.
WE should be able to name loads of fights. But so far no-one can name fuck all apart from Holyfield-Valuev and disputed Froch-Dirrell decision.
Someone here that knows about boxing history must be able to help me out?
OK, Whitaker-Ramirez, the Mexican got it over the Amercian in France.
That's 3.
that's the same Mexican who was living in France and had quite a following there as well...Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterlolQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesthey already mentioned the Whitaker "loss" to Ramirez in France is a pretty big one, Calzaghe/Reid is another oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
OK, Whitaker-Ramirez, the Mexican got it over the Amercian in France.
That's 3.