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That isn't good. But i wouldn't worry. Whilst they may have gained thousands of new members, the many thousands of people that were indifferent before but now hate them will go uncounted. In other words if they have had 3000 requests to join im sure there also have 10 times that amount that now hate them. Its just that new members are quantifiable whlist new haters aren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Like most I think the BNP are a shitty, hate filled, petty little party who I can't take seriously at all.
However one thing I hate more than anything is when the public and media unite to engage in irrational hyperbole, demonisation, scaremongering and flat out hysteria about certain topics.
It just annoys me and when I hear all these whiny ass people raining down judgement on what is basically a party of clowns, and creating them into some kind of genuine political menace, it makes me want to vote for them just to spite them all.
Swine Flu annoyed me, the demonisation of the BNP party, as if they have any power or sway to begin with annoys me too.
I was just watching the episode now and could imagine the programme making some people more sympathetic to Griffin. His ideas might be repulsive, but at least he tried to answer his questions. His arguments about immigration are legitimate and it is those that most people will identify with. Jack Straw was just awful in answering that question about immigration. It was cringeworthy and shows the government is totally out of touch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I don't like the BNP and think Griffin is a slimy and dangerous little toad, but I was kind of cheering him on against all the bullying tactics being used. The media response has been well over the top. The BNP is a tiny little party and all this attention is only going to give them a larger platform. Griffin came out of that programme relatively unscathed. The tactics used and the media overkill are the wrong approach to take IMO.
Dimbleby is ardant left wing and always has been. If he had his way he`d completely abolish border control and this country would be ram packed.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI was just watching the episode now and could imagine the programme making some people more sympathetic to Griffin. His ideas might be repulsive, but at least he tried to answer his questions. His arguments about immigration are legitimate and it is those that most people will identify with. Jack Straw was just awful in answering that question about immigration. It was cringeworthy and shows the government is totally out of touch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I don't like the BNP and think Griffin is a slimy and dangerous little toad, but I was kind of cheering him on against all the bullying tactics being used. The media response has been well over the top. The BNP is a tiny little party and all this attention is only going to give them a larger platform. Griffin came out of that programme relatively unscathed. The tactics used and the media overkill are the wrong approach to take IMO.
Straw like most labour mps without blair pulling the strings is showing himself up to be completely incompetent. The guy couldnt spot an afghani from an alf garnett.
Its simply now a case of hoping the next tory government does a far better job of actually listening to the british peoples fears and not reacting once its too late. Doubt they will but if they did partys like the bnp would soon be back in the dolldrums trying to rally support at local events rather than making headline news due to their rising popularity!!
I like Dimbleby, on the whole he is pretty impartial and does pipe up when the politicians start to evade or meander.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerDimbleby is ardant left wing and always has been. If he had his way he`d completely abolish border control and this country would be ram packed.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI was just watching the episode now and could imagine the programme making some people more sympathetic to Griffin. His ideas might be repulsive, but at least he tried to answer his questions. His arguments about immigration are legitimate and it is those that most people will identify with. Jack Straw was just awful in answering that question about immigration. It was cringeworthy and shows the government is totally out of touch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I don't like the BNP and think Griffin is a slimy and dangerous little toad, but I was kind of cheering him on against all the bullying tactics being used. The media response has been well over the top. The BNP is a tiny little party and all this attention is only going to give them a larger platform. Griffin came out of that programme relatively unscathed. The tactics used and the media overkill are the wrong approach to take IMO.
Straw like most labour mps without blair pulling the strings is showing himself up to be completely incompetent. The guy couldnt spot an afghani from an alf garnett.
Its simply now a case of hoping the next tory government does a far better job of actually listening to the british peoples fears and not reacting once its too late. Doubt they will but if they did partys like the bnp would soon be back in the dolldrums trying to rally support at local events rather than making headline news due to their rising popularity!!
It's obviously going to be a Tory government in next, and there is no doubt that immigration is an issue that needs to be tackled. I don't understand why immigration has been allowed to run so rampant without full checks and controls. I often compare how things are here with how they are back home and the difference is night and day. I was reading somewhere that it is estimated that 2 million of London's 7 million people were not even born in the UK. Those are crazy numbers, you would struggle to find 200,000 non-native residents in all of Seoul. And that has upwards of 15 million people.
Such massive change is bound to create upheaval if not fully planned and catered for and it all seems to be coming to fruition now, with a lot of unrest on the way. It all makes for curious viewing on the sidelines. Immigration must be tackled really, I can't see how it can be ignored any longer.
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Originally Posted by milesI like Dimbleby, on the whole he is pretty impartial and does pipe up when the politicians start to evade or meander.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerDimbleby is ardant left wing and always has been. If he had his way he`d completely abolish border control and this country would be ram packed.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Straw like most labour mps without blair pulling the strings is showing himself up to be completely incompetent. The guy couldnt spot an afghani from an alf garnett.
Its simply now a case of hoping the next tory government does a far better job of actually listening to the british peoples fears and not reacting once its too late. Doubt they will but if they did partys like the bnp would soon be back in the dolldrums trying to rally support at local events rather than making headline news due to their rising popularity!!
It's obviously going to be a Tory government in next, and there is no doubt that immigration is an issue that needs to be tackled. I don't understand why immigration has been allowed to run so rampant without full checks and controls. I often compare how things are here with how they are back home and the difference is night and day. I was reading somewhere that it is estimated that 2 million of London's 7 million people were not even born in the UK. Those are crazy numbers, you would struggle to find 200,000 non-native residents in all of Seoul. And that has upwards of 15 million people.
Such massive change is bound to create upheaval if not fully planned and catered for and it all seems to be coming to fruition now, with a lot of unrest on the way. It all makes for curious viewing on the sidelines. Immigration must be tackled really, I can't see how it can be ignored any longer.
The dangers of the impending welcoming into the EU were there for all too see and the torys and lib dems did genuinely do their upmost to warn of the inpending mass flocking to the country by polish and eastern european migrants looking for work.
The majority of these apparent "unwanted visitors" are hard working, law abiding people who put many working class brits to shame. But mass migration coupled with mass unemployment go hand in hand im afraid and the end result is the British National Party!!
havnt had time to read all this thread but my view is that the reason BNP have any votes is mainly fustration at how we feel let down by our current leaders. i think that half of those who voted BNP did it to make some kind of stand but dont actually want the thick b'stards in power.
Lol, no they didn't. The torys are the reason we're in Europe to begin with, but trust me no major political party would've operated a different system over the past decade, particularly not the torys for one reason. It was good for the businesses, it gave them some nice cheap labour. The recession has already led to many returning back to eastern europe. Labour sold the working-class of all colours out because of Blair's obsession of helping out big businesses. Immigrants from Europe were more cost-effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by milesI like Dimbleby, on the whole he is pretty impartial and does pipe up when the politicians start to evade or meander.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
It's obviously going to be a Tory government in next, and there is no doubt that immigration is an issue that needs to be tackled. I don't understand why immigration has been allowed to run so rampant without full checks and controls. I often compare how things are here with how they are back home and the difference is night and day. I was reading somewhere that it is estimated that 2 million of London's 7 million people were not even born in the UK. Those are crazy numbers, you would struggle to find 200,000 non-native residents in all of Seoul. And that has upwards of 15 million people.
Such massive change is bound to create upheaval if not fully planned and catered for and it all seems to be coming to fruition now, with a lot of unrest on the way. It all makes for curious viewing on the sidelines. Immigration must be tackled really, I can't see how it can be ignored any longer.
The dangers of the impending welcoming into the EU were there for all too see and the torys and lib dems did genuinely do their upmost to warn of the inpending mass flocking to the country by polish and eastern european migrants looking for work.
The majority of these apparent "unwanted visitors" are hard working, law abiding people who put many working class brits to shame. But mass migration coupled with mass unemployment go hand in hand im afraid and the end result is the British National Party!!
As for Miles point that I emboldened, that figure is deceiving, as it includes a large number of people who have been living in Britain for up to 50 years. Let's put it in perspective, the largest groups are Indians, Irish, Bangladeshi, Jamaicans & Nigerians, all of whom have had significant communities for up to 30 years. All of those bar Ireland are also outside the EU, so have huge restriction on their immigration levels.
The countries that have more recently seen a sharp rise in immigration numbers to London are Americans, South Africans, Australians, Somalians & Germans. The numbers are largely as a result of London's time as the financial capital of the world (although all still controlled in New York, go figure :confused:), as a number of corporations brought in employees from different offices from around the world. Obviously there's not too many branches of JP Morgan in Mogadishu, so that doesn't explain that, although that is likely a result of the conflict there in the 90s. 75% of London is British born, which is not that shocking considering its status as a major world city. In comparison, only 64% of New York is US born. Hell, if anything pisses me off about London, it's all the 'immigrants' coming for jobs from Somerset, Hampshire & other Middle England hell-holes. Seriously, get an economy going in Cheltenham & fuck off ;D
Jaz you've definitely replaced ICB as the new google and wikipedia internet king of Saddo's.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinLol, no they didn't. The torys are the reason we're in Europe to begin with, but trust me no major political party would've operated a different system over the past decade, particularly not the torys for one reason. It was good for the businesses, it gave them some nice cheap labour. The recession has already led to many returning back to eastern europe. Labour sold the working-class of all colours out because of Blair's obsession of helping out big businesses. Immigrants from Europe were more cost-effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
The dangers of the impending welcoming into the EU were there for all too see and the torys and lib dems did genuinely do their upmost to warn of the inpending mass flocking to the country by polish and eastern european migrants looking for work.
The majority of these apparent "unwanted visitors" are hard working, law abiding people who put many working class brits to shame. But mass migration coupled with mass unemployment go hand in hand im afraid and the end result is the British National Party!!
As for Miles point that I emboldened, that figure is deceiving, as it includes a large number of people who have been living in Britain for up to 50 years. Let's put it in perspective, the largest groups are Indians, Irish, Bangladeshi, Jamaicans & Nigerians, all of whom have had significant communities for up to 30 years. All of those bar Ireland are also outside the EU, so have huge restriction on their immigration levels.
The countries that have more recently seen a sharp rise in immigration numbers to London are Americans, South Africans, Australians, Somalians & Germans. The numbers are largely as a result of London's time as the financial capital of the world (although all still controlled in New York, go figure :confused:), as a number of corporations brought in employees from different offices from around the world. Obviously there's not too many branches of JP Morgan in Mogadishu, so that doesn't explain that, although that is likely a result of the conflict there in the 90s. 75% of London is British born, which is not that shocking considering its status as a major world city. In comparison, only 64% of New York is US born. Hell, if anything pisses me off about London, it's all the 'immigrants' coming for jobs from Somerset, Hampshire & other Middle England hell-holes. Seriously, get an economy going in Cheltenham & fuck off ;D
But be careful about getting into too many heated debates and discussions, as you may find out, like I did how easy it is to have your mind and your free time taken over by this unhealthy obsession.
Lol, actually those are taken from a piece of sociology coursework I did a few years back on the demographics of London. Exciting stuff :p
You think that's impressive, wait till you see how good I am at chess ;)
Watch Nick on Question Time he was way out of his depth and looked ridiculous.