haye shouls be on the BBC, the stupid twats, they havnt a clue how much of a star he could be
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haye shouls be on the BBC, the stupid twats, they havnt a clue how much of a star he could be
You remember how full the papers were after Lewis beat Holyfield? It was on the back page for a full week, now your lucky if boxing makes the papers once a week. I'd love that for Haye. Not saying he deserves it for this but one day maybe!!Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
I agree. Haye is currently in a similar position to that of Calzaghe around the time of the Lacy fight. Most of the public didn't really know who he was, just knew he was a boxer & had seen a little bit of him. However, the opponent is then sold as being unbeatable as Lacy was & Valuev is due to his size (I know he's been beaten, but most will see 50+ fights with only 1 defeat & think he's amazing).Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragoi have heard a few people talking abt this fight who dont usually mention boxing, its just because of the size of valuev, fk most people never even seen a haye fightQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
I think this does quite well, it's probably the best Sky have marketed a fight since Hatton-Mayweather. More importantly I reckon if Haye wins he becomes an overnight star similar to how Calzaghe did after the Lacy fight.
has britain turned its back on boxing or are we in need of a new hero?
Part of that was down to Lewis building up a following over the previous 5 years through fighting at the domestic level against the likes of Bruno.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuYou remember how full the papers were after Lewis beat Holyfield? It was on the back page for a full week, now your lucky if boxing makes the papers once a week. I'd love that for Haye. Not saying he deserves it for this but one day maybe!!Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI agree. Haye is currently in a similar position to that of Calzaghe around the time of the Lacy fight. Most of the public didn't really know who he was, just knew he was a boxer & had seen a little bit of him. However, the opponent is then sold as being unbeatable as Lacy was & Valuev is due to his size (I know he's been beaten, but most will see 50+ fights with only 1 defeat & think he's amazing).Quote:
Originally Posted by Drago
I think this does quite well, it's probably the best Sky have marketed a fight since Hatton-Mayweather. More importantly I reckon if Haye wins he becomes an overnight star similar to how Calzaghe did after the Lacy fight.
I remember when Hatton fought Mayweather it was probably the main feature in the sports pages along with football for the preceding week & subsequent few days.
I think it's just there isn't really a fighter at or approaching his peak who's a superstar over here. Hatton's time is gone. Khan is probably currently the closest, but they switched him to PPV way too early.
the last PPV's i purchased were hatton/pacman & hatton/mayweather
they were really big fights & i can understand to a certain point why they were PPV
but fk khan being PPV & fk haye/valuev being PPV
I agree!! thats why I've bought ringside seats for the fight, that'll teach sky!! ......hang on a minute..........:11fb8:Quote:
Originally Posted by Drago
ha ha nice 1Quote:
Originally Posted by gutshotkidI agree!! thats why I've bought ringside seats for the fight, that'll teach sky!! ......hang on a minute..........:11fb8:Quote:
Originally Posted by Drago
Yep, totally agree. For instance my friend's wife is planning to pay for it. Purely due to curiosity about Valuev's size. As she puts it she 'can't imagine how Haye will be able to reach his head'. hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinTo be honest mate, it's only a bad matchup for people who know how bad Valuev is.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
The general public sees a British HW going to fight a giant. I've heard a lot of casual fans talking about it & being quite excited. Plus if it's not on at a ridiculous time, it will benefit. As bad as Khan-Kotelnik did, Khan-Barrera did very well, because Barrera had the profile to help raise the event for your average fan.
I have to totally diagree everyone I know doesnt give two shits about this fight, theres not a chance any of them would pay 15 quid to watch it, i predict this will do terrible numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanYep, totally agree. For instance my friend's wife is planning to pay for it. Purely due to curiosity about Valuev's size. As she puts it she 'can't imagine how Haye will be able to reach his head'. hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinTo be honest mate, it's only a bad matchup for people who know how bad Valuev is.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
The general public sees a British HW going to fight a giant. I've heard a lot of casual fans talking about it & being quite excited. Plus if it's not on at a ridiculous time, it will benefit. As bad as Khan-Kotelnik did, Khan-Barrera did very well, because Barrera had the profile to help raise the event for your average fan.
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Originally Posted by skel1983I have to totally diagree everyone I know doesnt give two shits about this fight, theres not a chance any of them would pay 15 quid to watch it, i predict this will do terrible numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanYep, totally agree. For instance my friend's wife is planning to pay for it. Purely due to curiosity about Valuev's size. As she puts it she 'can't imagine how Haye will be able to reach his head'. hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Theres a LOT of interest about this over here in Malta but no one has to pay for it ;)
Load of us piling into a bar for it and you can get PPV channels here free through Dreambox.
Your bang on mate this will get terrible viewing figures through the UK PPV as Haye isn't exactly a Hatton or Calzaghe.
If he wins (I think he can win this) then he'll be an overnight superstar no question.
The nearer this gets the more intruiging the clash of styles is and Ruslan Chagaev beating Valuev and being only 6ft 1 tall says a lot about how this may pan out.
Haye is def more athletic , quicker and arguably has more power than Chag.;)
Hmm.. not sure about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI agree. Haye is currently in a similar position to that of Calzaghe around the time of the Lacy fight. Most of the public didn't really know who he was, just knew he was a boxer & had seen a little bit of him. However, the opponent is then sold as being unbeatable as Lacy was & Valuev is due to his size (I know he's been beaten, but most will see 50+ fights with only 1 defeat & think he's amazing).Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragoi have heard a few people talking abt this fight who dont usually mention boxing, its just because of the size of valuev, fk most people never even seen a haye fightQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
I think this does quite well, it's probably the best Sky have marketed a fight since Hatton-Mayweather. More importantly I reckon if Haye wins he becomes an overnight star similar to how Calzaghe did after the Lacy fight.
Calzaghe-Lacy was FREE on ITV. It had a couple of million watching at 2am (over 50% of TV sets were tuned to ITV at the time of the fight) and then bettered that on the sunday morning repeat. And was repeated again on ITV4 later in the week.
Plus Lacy was the NEW Tyson. His young unbeaten American superstar profile really helped sell that fight to the non-hardcore.
Haye-Valuev only has the heavyweight angle going for it. The fact it's PPV means it will do well to have a couple of hundred thousand watching.
If Haye wins his proflie will obviously be enhanced but I can't see it being a huge breakthrough with so few actual watchers.
I wasn't trying to say it would do the same numbers, more that a win for Haye could be a crossover like with the Lacy fight. I agree, it will be a success if a few hundred thousand watch, however, I think it has intrigued people similarly purely off the size of Valuev making him some unstoppable beast, similar to how Lacy was sold as the new Tyson.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHmm.. not sure about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI agree. Haye is currently in a similar position to that of Calzaghe around the time of the Lacy fight. Most of the public didn't really know who he was, just knew he was a boxer & had seen a little bit of him. However, the opponent is then sold as being unbeatable as Lacy was & Valuev is due to his size (I know he's been beaten, but most will see 50+ fights with only 1 defeat & think he's amazing).Quote:
Originally Posted by Drago
I think this does quite well, it's probably the best Sky have marketed a fight since Hatton-Mayweather. More importantly I reckon if Haye wins he becomes an overnight star similar to how Calzaghe did after the Lacy fight.
Calzaghe-Lacy was FREE on ITV. It had a couple of million watching at 2am (over 50% of TV sets were tuned to ITV at the time of the fight) and then bettered that on the sunday morning repeat. And was repeated again on ITV4 later in the week.
Plus Lacy was the NEW Tyson. His young unbeaten American superstar profile really helped sell that fight to the non-hardcore.
Haye-Valuev only has the heavyweight angle going for it. The fact it's PPV means it will do well to have a couple of hundred thousand watching.
If Haye wins his proflie will obviously be enhanced but I can't see it being a huge breakthrough with so few actual watchers.
I don't think that many people actually need to be watching for it to make Haye a star, I think if he wins, the story of him beating this giant (headline David downs Goliath) will be enough. I think its the story & the resulting media coverage that makes him a star, not the fight itself.
And the fact Britain has it's first HW champ since Lennox Lewis!Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI wasn't trying to say it would do the same numbers, more that a win for Haye could be a crossover like with the Lacy fight. I agree, it will be a success if a few hundred thousand watch, however, I think it has intrigued people similarly purely off the size of Valuev making him some unstoppable beast, similar to how Lacy was sold as the new Tyson.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHmm.. not sure about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Calzaghe-Lacy was FREE on ITV. It had a couple of million watching at 2am (over 50% of TV sets were tuned to ITV at the time of the fight) and then bettered that on the sunday morning repeat. And was repeated again on ITV4 later in the week.
Plus Lacy was the NEW Tyson. His young unbeaten American superstar profile really helped sell that fight to the non-hardcore.
Haye-Valuev only has the heavyweight angle going for it. The fact it's PPV means it will do well to have a couple of hundred thousand watching.
If Haye wins his proflie will obviously be enhanced but I can't see it being a huge breakthrough with so few actual watchers.
I don't think that many people actually need to be watching for it to make Haye a star, I think if he wins, the story of him beating this giant (headline David downs Goliath) will be enough. I think its the story & the resulting media coverage that makes him a star, not the fight itself.
I declare JazMerkin to be right...as always.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI wasn't trying to say it would do the same numbers, more that a win for Haye could be a crossover like with the Lacy fight. I agree, it will be a success if a few hundred thousand watch, however, I think it has intrigued people similarly purely off the size of Valuev making him some unstoppable beast, similar to how Lacy was sold as the new Tyson.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHmm.. not sure about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Calzaghe-Lacy was FREE on ITV. It had a couple of million watching at 2am (over 50% of TV sets were tuned to ITV at the time of the fight) and then bettered that on the sunday morning repeat. And was repeated again on ITV4 later in the week.
Plus Lacy was the NEW Tyson. His young unbeaten American superstar profile really helped sell that fight to the non-hardcore.
Haye-Valuev only has the heavyweight angle going for it. The fact it's PPV means it will do well to have a couple of hundred thousand watching.
If Haye wins his proflie will obviously be enhanced but I can't see it being a huge breakthrough with so few actual watchers.
I don't think that many people actually need to be watching for it to make Haye a star, I think if he wins, the story of him beating this giant (headline David downs Goliath) will be enough. I think its the story & the resulting media coverage that makes him a star, not the fight itself.
Just being called "world" heavyweight champ will be a big deal to the casual, but you need to be seen to be a crossover star (Ricky Hatton is a one off).Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanI declare JazMerkin to be right...as always.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI wasn't trying to say it would do the same numbers, more that a win for Haye could be a crossover like with the Lacy fight. I agree, it will be a success if a few hundred thousand watch, however, I think it has intrigued people similarly purely off the size of Valuev making him some unstoppable beast, similar to how Lacy was sold as the new Tyson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I don't think that many people actually need to be watching for it to make Haye a star, I think if he wins, the story of him beating this giant (headline David downs Goliath) will be enough. I think its the story & the resulting media coverage that makes him a star, not the fight itself.
We can judge Haye's impact with the "BBC sports personality award" betting. Calzaghe became one of the favourites, from a 100/1 shot, in 2006 after beating Lacy.
Haye is currently around 33/1 (i'm surprised he's that short, looks like punters are anticipating the win :-\).. so we should expect a big reduction if he wins.