Re: Mayweather. NO win situation.
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JonesJrMayweather
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JazMerkin
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Bx730NY
You may be right but talk is cheap. Let's see if he can actually do it like Quintana did.
Secondly, I know your now comparing Corrales to Williams. You are talking about a guy 3-4 inches taller who is stronger, throws way more punches and has a way better chin.
No, he was talking about Mayweather's ability to move around the ring rather than sit in the pocket. He didn't say anything about KOing Williams, just that Mayweather would move around him & under his punches to box to a win. Which if Quintana can do, Mayweather certainly can.
Its funny that he got stuck on the Corrales part instead of the Floyd being able to move part. Which also brings me back his own reasoning that Quintana was able to win because his movement didn't allow paul to throw a lot of punches. Floyd would circle him all night, it would look almost exactly like corrales v floyd.
Paul williams' size is an advantage, but he doesn't use it. If he used his Jab, floyd would be in serious trouble as would any fighter @ 147, because paul would dwarf them.
You are not capable of making me stuck in any way when it comes to boxing. You are the only one thats stuck believing the hype. Get your boxing IQ up before running your mouth.
Re: Mayweather. NO win situation.
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Originally Posted by
Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by
JonesJrMayweather
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Originally Posted by
JazMerkin
No, he was talking about Mayweather's ability to move around the ring rather than sit in the pocket. He didn't say anything about KOing Williams, just that Mayweather would move around him & under his punches to box to a win. Which if Quintana can do, Mayweather certainly can.
Its funny that he got stuck on the Corrales part instead of the Floyd being able to move part. Which also brings me back his own reasoning that Quintana was able to win because his movement didn't allow paul to throw a lot of punches. Floyd would circle him all night, it would look almost exactly like corrales v floyd.
Paul williams' size is an advantage, but he doesn't use it. If he used his Jab, floyd would be in serious trouble as would any fighter @ 147, because paul would dwarf them.
You are not capable of making me stuck in any way when it comes to boxing. You are the only one thats stuck believing the hype. Get your boxing IQ up before running your mouth.
Nice comeback to his points, you really showed a good knowledge of facts there. You know your boxing :rolleyes:
Re: Mayweather. NO win situation.
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fan johnny
You must be kidding?
Mayweather steps into the ring with Shane Mosley, Cotto, Clottey, Antonio Margarito and what everyone wants Pacquiao and hes stepping into a fight. Any fight and it's a win. Stepping into the ring against Paul Williams would earn something more from fans that he doesn't get from most and that is respect.
No you must be kidding. No matter who PBF fights people will discredit his win.
PAC will be called a Blown up feather weight.
Shane will be become old all of a sudden
Cotto will become overrated and was ruin by Margarito
Clottey will be said to have never really been that great in the first place
Margarito will be called an overrated cheater.
Paul Williams will be called a bum who was stopped by Quintina.
This is what the people will say. They beg for these fights to happen ie, Hatton PBF but when the fight doesn't end the way they hoped (PBF losing) they discredit the fight.
Re: Mayweather. NO win situation.
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The Boxer
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Originally Posted by
fan johnny
You must be kidding?
Mayweather steps into the ring with Shane Mosley, Cotto, Clottey, Antonio Margarito and what everyone wants Pacquiao and hes stepping into a fight. Any fight and it's a win. Stepping into the ring against Paul Williams would earn something more from fans that he doesn't get from most and that is respect.
No you must be kidding. No matter who PBF fights people will discredit his win.
PAC will be called a Blown up feather weight.
Shane will be become old all of a sudden
Cotto will become overrated and was ruin by Margarito
Clottey will be said to have never really been that great in the first place
Margarito will be called an overrated cheater.
Paul Williams will be called a bum who was stopped by Quintina.
This is what the people will say. They beg for these fights to happen ie, Hatton PBF but when the fight doesn't end the way they hoped (PBF losing) they discredit the fight.
First, every fighter at the top of the p4p list undergoes increased levels of scrutiny and rightly so. Just look at Pacquiao. He is fighting Cotto at a catch weight (albeit by only two pounds). Hatton had already been knocked out; ODLH was weight-drained; (if he wins) Cotto was ruined by Margarito. It is not just Floyd.
Second, the criticism on Floyd as I said in a previous post is only because as a welterweight Floyd hasn't done very much considering that many think him to be the best in the sport.
Don't you consider it a little odd that a "blown up featherweight" (your words, not mine) is fighting Miguel Cotto before Floyd fought Cotto? Floyd has campaigned at the weight class for 5 years and never fought Cotto. This is Manny's first fight at welterweight and he is already fighting Cotto and Cotto is better than any welterweight Floyd ever fought.
Re: Mayweather. NO win situation.
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Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by
The Boxer
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Originally Posted by
fan johnny
You must be kidding?
Mayweather steps into the ring with Shane Mosley, Cotto, Clottey, Antonio Margarito and what everyone wants Pacquiao and hes stepping into a fight. Any fight and it's a win. Stepping into the ring against Paul Williams would earn something more from fans that he doesn't get from most and that is respect.
No you must be kidding. No matter who PBF fights people will discredit his win.
PAC will be called a Blown up feather weight.
Shane will be become old all of a sudden
Cotto will become overrated and was ruin by Margarito
Clottey will be said to have never really been that great in the first place
Margarito will be called an overrated cheater.
Paul Williams will be called a bum who was stopped by Quintina.
This is what the people will say. They beg for these fights to happen ie, Hatton PBF but when the fight doesn't end the way they hoped (PBF losing) they discredit the fight.
First, every fighter at the top of the p4p list undergoes increased levels of scrutiny and rightly so. Just look at Pacquiao. He is fighting Cotto at a catch weight (albeit by only two pounds). Hatton had already been knocked out; ODLH was weight-drained; (if he wins) Cotto was ruined by Margarito. It is not just Floyd.
Second, the criticism on Floyd as I said in a previous post is only because as a welterweight Floyd hasn't done very much considering that many think him to be the best in the sport.
Don't you consider it a little odd that a "blown up featherweight" (your words, not mine) is fighting Miguel Cotto
before Floyd fought Cotto? Floyd has campaigned at the weight class for 5 years and never fought Cotto. This is Manny's first fight at welterweight and he is already fighting Cotto and Cotto is better than
any welterweight Floyd ever fought.
Very well said:appl:
In parliamentary mode : " hear ye, hear ye" :cool:
Re: Mayweather. NO win situation.
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Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by
The Boxer
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Originally Posted by
fan johnny
You must be kidding?
Mayweather steps into the ring with Shane Mosley, Cotto, Clottey, Antonio Margarito and what everyone wants Pacquiao and hes stepping into a fight. Any fight and it's a win. Stepping into the ring against Paul Williams would earn something more from fans that he doesn't get from most and that is respect.
No you must be kidding. No matter who PBF fights people will discredit his win.
PAC will be called a Blown up feather weight.
Shane will be become old all of a sudden
Cotto will become overrated and was ruin by Margarito
Clottey will be said to have never really been that great in the first place
Margarito will be called an overrated cheater.
Paul Williams will be called a bum who was stopped by Quintina.
This is what the people will say. They beg for these fights to happen ie, Hatton PBF but when the fight doesn't end the way they hoped (PBF losing) they discredit the fight.
First, every fighter at the top of the p4p list undergoes increased levels of scrutiny and rightly so. Just look at Pacquiao. He is fighting Cotto at a catch weight (albeit by only two pounds). Hatton had already been knocked out; ODLH was weight-drained; (if he wins) Cotto was ruined by Margarito. It is not just Floyd.
Second, the criticism on Floyd as I said in a previous post is only because as a welterweight Floyd hasn't done very much considering that many think him to be the best in the sport.
Don't you consider it a little odd that a "blown up featherweight" (your words, not mine) is fighting Miguel Cotto
before Floyd fought Cotto? Floyd has campaigned at the weight class for 5 years and never fought Cotto. This is Manny's first fight at welterweight and he is already fighting Cotto and Cotto is better than
any welterweight Floyd ever fought.
I never said that other fighters don't get scruntized. Yes you could make those arguments about PAC but people never do. Thats my whole point. What you said was correct but people don't make those points about PAC.
I wasn't calling PAC a blown up feather weight. What i was doing is saying that what others will call him. Yes i do think it is odd that PAC is fighting cotto before PBF. PBF should have fought Cotto by now but expect those fight to coming soon. PBF first wealter weight fight was late 2005. he retired in late 2007 early 2008 so lates stop with the 5 year thing that everyone keeps throwing around. 5 years would be late 2005 to late 2010. even if PBF hadn't of retired it hasn't been 5 years yet.
Re: Mayweather. NO win situation.
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Originally Posted by
The Boxer
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Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by
The Boxer
No you must be kidding. No matter who PBF fights people will discredit his win.
PAC will be called a Blown up feather weight.
Shane will be become old all of a sudden
Cotto will become overrated and was ruin by Margarito
Clottey will be said to have never really been that great in the first place
Margarito will be called an overrated cheater.
Paul Williams will be called a bum who was stopped by Quintina.
This is what the people will say. They beg for these fights to happen ie, Hatton PBF but when the fight doesn't end the way they hoped (PBF losing) they discredit the fight.
First, every fighter at the top of the p4p list undergoes increased levels of scrutiny and rightly so. Just look at Pacquiao. He is fighting Cotto at a catch weight (albeit by only two pounds). Hatton had already been knocked out; ODLH was weight-drained; (if he wins) Cotto was ruined by Margarito. It is not just Floyd.
Second, the criticism on Floyd as I said in a previous post is only because as a welterweight Floyd hasn't done very much considering that many think him to be the best in the sport.
Don't you consider it a little odd that a "blown up featherweight" (your words, not mine) is fighting Miguel Cotto
before Floyd fought Cotto? Floyd has campaigned at the weight class for 5 years and never fought Cotto. This is Manny's first fight at welterweight and he is already fighting Cotto and Cotto is better than
any welterweight Floyd ever fought.
I never said that other fighters don't get scruntized. Yes you could make those arguments about PAC but people never do. Thats my whole point. What you said was correct but people don't make those points about PAC.
I wasn't calling PAC a blown up feather weight. What i was doing is saying that what others will call him. Yes i do think it is odd that PAC is fighting cotto before PBF. PBF should have fought Cotto by now but expect those fight to coming soon. PBF first wealter weight fight was late 2005. he retired in late 2007 early 2008 so lates stop with the 5 year thing that everyone keeps throwing around. 5 years would be late 2005 to late 2010. even if PBF hadn't of retired it hasn't been 5 years yet.
I can't believe how many excuses you guys make for floyd not fighting top level welters. I don't say top names because top names doesn't necessarily mean top notch anymore.
Do you realize how ridiculous it sounds for you to say that he didn't get a chance to fight these guys because he retired? Nonsense!!
Truth is that he came back because he saw Pac on top of P4P rankings and he thought to himself, "Now this guy is small enough to take a chance on". Just like when Ricky called him out, and Marquez called him out. He was happy to take those fights but when Shane told him to his face, all he could do was utter or should I say stutter a few useless words to prove he wants no part of any of the top guys in his weight class.
Re: Mayweather. NO win situation.
First off A PBF PAC fight generates the most money right now. It is also the fight that fans seem to want to see the most. Cotto for whatever reason seems to be a distant third behind shane for possible opponets for PBF.
Second PBF called Shane out damn there 10 years ago when Shane was the top dog and rated very high P4P but Shane declined. Now PBF is on top and Shane wants a fight so PBF is supposed to run to him. Fuck out here. So don't give me that shane shit. A year or so ago people said Shane was done. People need to stop being so quick to judge.
Third no body said that PBF didn't get a chance to fight these guys. He made that choice. He fought Hatton the fighter that so many people said would be to strong for PBF and KOed him. Then retired for god knows what reason only to come back just like everyone knew he would.
Re: Mayweather. NO win situation.
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The Boxer
First off A PBF PAC fight generates the most money right now. It is also the fight that fans seem to want to see the most. Cotto for whatever reason seems to be a distant third behind shane for possible opponets for PBF.
Second PBF called Shane out damn there 10 years ago when Shane was the top dog and rated very high P4P but Shane declined. Now PBF is on top and Shane wants a fight so PBF is supposed to run to him. Fuck out here. So don't give me that shane shit. A year or so ago people said Shane was done. People need to stop being so quick to judge.
Third no body said that PBF didn't get a chance to fight these guys. He made that choice. He fought Hatton the fighter that so many people said would be to strong for PBF and KOed him. Then retired for god knows what reason only to come back just like everyone knew he would.
That is a fucking lie..No one has any video or article supporting that claim. Please point me to the video or the article in which Floyd says specifically that he wanted to fight Shane Mosley.
I'm not talking vague bullshit such as "I'll fight anybody" Or "I'll fight this guy him included"...I want the evidence of floyd saying shane's name and shane's name only..just like shane did in the ring with him, on espn with brian kenny, at post fight presser, etc etc.
If you don't have it, then what you have said is nothing more than floyd juice constantly recycling this bullshit lie. I know its a lie because I followed floyd and shane both since they've been pro...Never after or before a floyd fight has he ever said "I want to fight shane mosley"..
Re: Mayweather. NO win situation.
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Originally Posted by
The Boxer
First off A PBF PAC fight generates the most money right now. It is also the fight that fans seem to want to see the most. Cotto for whatever reason seems to be a distant third behind shane for possible opponets for PBF.
Second PBF called Shane out damn there 10 years ago when Shane was the top dog and rated very high P4P but Shane declined. Now PBF is on top and Shane wants a fight so PBF is supposed to run to him. Fuck out here. So don't give me that shane shit. A year or so ago people said Shane was done. People need to stop being so quick to judge.
Third no body said that PBF didn't get a chance to fight these guys. He made that choice. He fought Hatton the fighter that so many people said would be to strong for PBF and KOed him. Then retired for god knows what reason only to come back just like everyone knew he would.
I've said it in other posts, but let's just wait and see who Floyd actually fights before we pass judgment. I, for one, am the only person who thinks Pacquiao isn't getting passed Cotto and from what I've read elsewhere, he'll fight Marquez to settle the score regardless before he fights Floyd.
One thing we can agree on is that Floyd has not been a fighter willing to take on big fights at welterweight. We can at least both agree on that. Right? He has had the opportunities and for whatever reason he didn't take them.
He could have signed up to fight Shane after beating Marquez. He didn't. Sure Shane didn't fight Floyd when he could have back then, but that is then and this is now. Shane is a big fight now. Unequivocally, bigger than Marquez. Why didn't Floyd sign up to fight Shane instead of Marquez? Why didn't he sign up to fight Shane after Marquez? There are answers to each question, but still the bottom line is he hasn't fought Shane.
He admitted in the interview with RA the Rugged Man that Paul Williams is just too big. Yet, he fought ODLH at 154?
He didn't fight Margarito when he was offered 8 million to fight him.
He was in line to fight Cotto and he retired.
Now, there may be a real excuse for every single one of those situations (mostly money), but at the end of the day actions speak louder than words and Floyd hasn't done sh*t with the top of the division.
Pacquiao is fighting Cotto before Floyd fought Cotto. Pacquiao is fighting a top welterweight before Floyd when Pacquiao has never fought in the weight class before (other than ODLH) and Floyd has fought in it for at least three years. So, strange as it may sound for a guy who started fighting below 110 pounds, Pacquiao will have done more at welterweight than Floyd has come Sunday, win or lose.
Ask yourself why Pacquiao is still ranked number one p4p and will be even more entrenched if he wins on Saturday.
But, let's leave aside Pacquiao. Pacquiao clearly is beyond reproach in many areas and continually transcends our expectations. It's hard not to like him - unless you saw him sing on Jimmy Kimmel (kidding, of course).
Consider every other welterweight at the top of the division:
Consider Shane. Shane has fought Cotto and Margarito. Shane is signed up to fight Berto.
Consider Cotto. Cotto has fought Margarito, Mosley, and Clottey.
Consider Margarito. Margarito has fought Cotto, Shane, Williams, and Clottey.
Consider Paul Williams. Williams has fought Margarito and was willing to fight any of the other guys.
Consider Floyd. Floyd has NOT fought one of the above.
I'm not dissing your boy. Floyd did a ton prior to his fights at 147/140. But, keep it in perspective, at 147 he hasn't done jack.
Re: Mayweather. NO win situation.
I'm pretty sure PBF is fighting PAC if he gets past cotto.
Also you can't say that was then and this is now as far as PBF calling out shane. Thats like saying it was ok ok for Shane to disregard PBF request for a fight but it's not ok for PBF to diregard Shanes request for a fight. All before the Margarito fight Shane was considered a shot fighter by many if not most. Matter fact at the time PBF did his little retirement thing Shane was considered shot. If you don't believe and me damn everyone else who is aware that PBF called out Shane when PBF was at 130 and shane at 135 then you good and find the articles or TV clip.
Has PBF done a lot at Welter Weight? No. I never claimed he did either. My argument was and still is that No matter who he fights someone will take away from his win. I hope he fights Shane so after PBF wins you and everyone esle can say how old he was.
I'll say this much though. If PBF doesn't Fight either PAC Shane or Cotto in his next fight i will make it my personal business to put him in his place on this forum. I give him a pass for JMM. He came back after a long lay off and fought a smaller guy with a big name and won. He was also injured in camp. Things like that can cause to not to make weight. So i'm cool with all that. After Nov 14 Cotto PAC it's time for PBF to put up or shut up. You'll can hold me to that. He talks about the money. The winner of that fight against PBF would be the biggest fight for PBF aside for some freak match up against Hopkins or something.
