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Re: Chinese delicacy, fried fish, still alive
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It's not hypocritical to want to see the thing killed as humanely as possible.
What exactly is humanely? (I'll get back to this point) Do you know what is worse, to die by being slowly suffocated of oxygen, or thrown alive into hot oil? I imagine you have an opinion, but actually don't. They are both barbaric to happen to a human, correct? (It actually mean as humanly as possibly, or manner, the word, it doesn't mean delicate in nature, or less cruel)
And this is where humanly comes in further. We tend to look at things and consider if they were happening to us. But they aren't. This fish has no idea what is going on, it has no conscience. I could see if the fish was somehow lacking in nutritional value being cooked this way for entertainment...then I might say, well, that is stupid, why do that? But this isn't. It is the opposite. You're all just seeing what happens to your food. it dies, gets killed. I suspect it is everyone's deep-seeded shame working in overdrive here along with squeamishness, for if you like or ever ate fish and chips, you played a part as bad as these folks.
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Re: Chinese delicacy, fried fish, still alive
Is it an accident that fish (those strong enough to put up a fight) dive for whatever is growing in the river/lake and twist around it? Or that some throw themselves out of the water?
They know they've been caught, they know what to do to improve their chances of escape, and Im pretty sure they know they only have a head and a tail left when your camp mob have finished with them.
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Re: Chinese delicacy, fried fish, still alive
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Originally Posted by
Youngblood
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It's not hypocritical to want to see the thing killed as humanely as possible.
What exactly is humanely? (I'll get back to this point) Do you know what is worse, to die by being slowly suffocated of oxygen, or thrown alive into hot oil? I imagine you have an opinion, but actually don't. They are both barbaric to happen to a human, correct? (It actually mean as humanly as possibly, or manner, the word, it doesn't mean delicate in nature, or less cruel)
And this is where humanly comes in further. We tend to look at things and consider if they were happening to us. But they aren't. This fish has no idea what is going on, it has no conscience. I could see if the fish was somehow lacking in nutritional value being cooked this way for entertainment...then I might say, well, that is stupid, why do that? But this isn't. It is the opposite. You're all just seeing what happens to your food. it dies, gets killed. I suspect it is everyone's deep-seeded shame working in overdrive here along with squeamishness, for if you like or ever ate fish and chips, you played a part as bad as these folks.
Agree completely
I rank people who needlesly harm both human and animals up there with child rapists and nonces.
Guys that throw pets off of cliffs exterminating a life just for a few seconds of fun, torturing a harmless creature just for your own personal pleasure knowing full well they cant tell you there in pain only cry for help.
I dont watch these kind of videos because theres a very evil, sinister element to them and i just dont find seeing something as lifeless as a fish being slowly killed in the most painful of ways amusing!!
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Re: Chinese delicacy, fried fish, still alive
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Originally Posted by
Youngblood
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It's not hypocritical to want to see the thing killed as humanely as possible.
What exactly is humanely? (I'll get back to this point) Do you know what is worse, to die by being slowly suffocated of oxygen, or thrown alive into hot oil? I imagine you have an opinion, but actually don't. They are both barbaric to happen to a human, correct? (It actually mean as humanly as possibly, or manner, the word, it doesn't mean delicate in nature, or less cruel)
And this is where humanly comes in further. We tend to look at things and consider if they were happening to us. But they aren't. This fish has no idea what is going on, it has no conscience. I could see if the fish was somehow lacking in nutritional value being cooked this way for entertainment...then I might say, well, that is stupid, why do that? But this isn't. It is the opposite. You're all just seeing what happens to your food. it dies, gets killed. I suspect it is everyone's deep-seeded shame working in overdrive here along with squeamishness, for if you like or ever ate fish and chips, you played a part as bad as these folks.
You take the fish from the water you have control over it's life. You kill it quick putting it out of its misery or you take delight in watching its misery.
One is the humane, kind thing I would expect of someone the other is weird to me. Simple as.
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Re: Chinese delicacy, fried fish, still alive
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
You take the fish from the water you have control over it's life. You kill it quick putting it out of it's misery or you take delight in watching it's misery.
One is the humane thing to do the other is weird to me. Simple as.
Which brings me back to my point. How did your fish and chips meal die? Did it get dragged in a huge net into a boat and slowly suffocate? Most likely. Is this less traumatic on the fish then going straight into the oil? Either way it is getting to the oil. :p
I admire a person who actually goes out and gets/hunts and eats their own food, over a person who shops for theirs. Atleast they are assuming some responsibility for the act.
Memphis, while we can argue the scientific basis of consciousness in lower intelligence species, fish, spiders, etc., ( I argue that the fish doesn't know his sides are cut out, and is only reacting to it happening) this here, the peoples reactions, everyone in this thread who feels it is cruel, I again suggest it is shame driving it. And squeamishness. Plus a bit of the unknown, largely cultural differences.
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Re: Chinese delicacy, fried fish, still alive
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Originally Posted by
Youngblood
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
You take the fish from the water you have control over it's life. You kill it quick putting it out of it's misery or you take delight in watching it's misery.
One is the humane thing to do the other is weird to me. Simple as.
Which brings me back to my point. How did your fish and chips meal die? Did it get dragged in a huge net into a boat and slowly suffocate? Most likely. Is this less traumatic on the fish then going straight into the oil? Either way it is getting to the oil. :p
I admire a person who actually goes out and gets/hunts and eats their own food, over a person who shops for theirs. Atleast they are assuming some responsibility for the act.
Memphis, while we can argue the scientific basis of consciousness in lower intelligence species, fish, spiders, etc., ( I argue that the fish doesn't know his sides are cut out, and is only
reacting to it happening) this here, the peoples reactions, everyone in this thread who feels it is cruel, I again suggest it is shame driving it. And squeamishness. Plus a bit of the unknown, largely cultural differences.
Which is reacting to getting its side sliced off!
Becoming Conscious About Fish Conscience
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Re: Chinese delicacy, fried fish, still alive
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Originally Posted by
Youngblood
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
You take the fish from the water you have control over it's life. You kill it quick putting it out of it's misery or you take delight in watching it's misery.
One is the humane thing to do the other is weird to me. Simple as.
Which brings me back to my point. How did your fish and chips meal die? Did it get dragged in a huge net into a boat and slowly suffocate? Most likely. Is this less traumatic on the fish then going straight into the oil? Either way it is getting to the oil. :p
I admire a person who actually goes out and gets/hunts and eats their own food, over a person who shops for theirs. Atleast they are assuming some responsibility for the act.
Memphis, while we can argue the scientific basis of consciousness in lower intelligence species, fish, spiders, etc., ( I argue that the fish doesn't know his sides are cut out, and is only reacting to it happening) this here, the peoples reactions, everyone in this thread who feels it is cruel, I again suggest it is shame driving it. And squeamishness. Plus a bit of the unknown, largely cultural differences.
I have absolutely no problem with people killing and eating their own food. I understand about mass caught fish.
My point is about the actions of the human. I don't understand why you would take delight in watching something die in a horrible way. Whether it's eating it alive or chucking it still living back into a lake.
I'm not saying you're a bad person. You grew up fishing. We come from completely different environments. What you find funny I find weird. That's all ;)
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Re: Chinese delicacy, fried fish, still alive
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Originally Posted by
Howlin Mad Missy
Right. I am sure you are aware, the science field is fairly divided in where consciousness begins and ends in lower level intelligence species.
Basically, we feel a need to put the bar somewhere, as we humanize things, using ourselves as the ultimate example of consciousness. The complete lesser being a single cell of life.
If it wasn't completely impossible to sustain life without some form of nutrition, I bet there'd be anti-vegetarians too. But we can't, can we. That would essentially make us anti-food. And our species couldn't exist. So atleast we aren't that shameful of ourselves. "Don't eat the plants! They're alive!"
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Re: Chinese delicacy, fried fish, still alive
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
[You grew up fishing. We come from completely different environments. What you find funny I find weird. That's all ;)
That's my point, really. Most (the meat eaters) are reacting to this vid based on cultural differences. To see your food still be alive and be eating it, is, well, strange for most of us. I wouldn't like it myself, but I am trying to understand it. :)
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Re: Chinese delicacy, fried fish, still alive
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
It's not hypocritical to want to see the thing killed as humanely as possible. Some people wouldn't/don't eat meat unless they know where it's come from and how it's been snuffed out.
It doesn't matter what the animal is, if you are laughing at it's misery I would personally find that weird/wrong (unless it was HTH getting tortured).
I agree with every single word of this post.
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Re: Chinese delicacy, fried fish, still alive
I think there's a bit of a difference with a lobster. If prepared properly the lobster goes to sleep before he dies. You put him in cool water and then turn on the eye. Doing it that way also ensures that the meat is tender.
Unlike how I did it because I didn't know any better. I was making a 'romantic' dinner for my wife and myself, threw the first lobster in hot water and cooked him up with his homey within watching distance. The second one, knowing what was coming... struggled. He wound up flipping himself over in the boiling pot and writhing in agony until dead.
That was the last time I bought live lobster. I've ordered it at Red Lobster, but they don't cook it in front of me.
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Re: Chinese delicacy, fried fish, still alive
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Originally Posted by
Youngblood
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Originally Posted by
Howlin Mad Missy
Right. I am sure you are aware, the science field is fairly divided in where consciousness begins and ends in lower level intelligence species.
Basically, we feel a need to put the bar somewhere, as we humanize things, using ourselves as the ultimate example of consciousness. The complete lesser being a single cell of life.
If it wasn't completely impossible to sustain life without some form of nutrition, I bet there'd be anti-vegetarians too. But we can't, can we. That would essentially make us anti-food. And our species couldn't exist. So atleast we aren't that shameful of ourselves. "Don't eat the plants! They're alive!"
My friend, you must not ever have heard of the Breatharians.
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Re: Chinese delicacy, fried fish, still alive
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Killface
My friend, you must not ever have heard of the
Breatharians.
lol that is hilarious.
I should have known, I mean, the bounds of our stupidity is seemingly endless. Wikipedia was funny reading too regarding it, especially about some of the founding members and people of rank caught sneaking off for slurpies and twinkies and cheeseburgers. ;D Inedia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I'm not banging away on vegetarians Missy. If people see fit to take that lifestyle and believe it for moral principles, then great. If they can sustain with good health and lead a long happy life, go for it. I won't ridicule it. I'd like to see less people in the world eating dogs, personally, as I have one that was rather abused and it gets me angry thinking how anyone could hurt such a harmless creature.
Are we herbivore, carnivore, omnivore? Who knows right. Human I guess. In my case, ima hungry one, and all this talk has me wanting a steak...
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If memory serves there was a woman who took it seriously and wound up starving to death.
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I pretty much agree with everything Youngblood has to say. It's more or less just cultural differences in these types of matter.
If you think the Chinese are barbarians because of this, they pretty much think Westerners are barbarians for placing their elderly love ones in old folks home to wither and die. Again just using that example as seeing things from another perspective, not that I want to get into a debate on that.
Morality is all relative due to one's upbringing. I don't really see the sense in condemning someone's eating habits due to one's cultural biases.
