Re: Have you ever been subjected to Racial/ Cultural Abuse/ Discrimination?
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JazMerkin
Being mixed-race, I tend to get it from everybody. I've been called pretty much every racial insult pertaining to mixed-race, black, Asian & Arab people & had racial abuse for the white side of me. So I'm kind of used to it. Truthfully, most of the time people come out with stuff, it's generally because they're ignorant, e.g. use of the term 'half-caste' which is very racist, but many people think is the normal term for mixed-race people, hell I did when I was little.
I used to have no problem beating on people for racist abuse, whether they were black, asian or white, but that was mainly when I was in my teens. Nowadays I get very little of it, mainly because being a bit older & bigger, I'm not perceived as an easy target. It's more general stereotypes that piss me off, like people always asking to buy drugs off me when I'm out in a club or when I had a job interview & the interviewer kept calling me 'man' & doing weird shit with his hands, as if I was a some ghetto stereotype in a string vest with a 40 oz rather than a double graduate in a suit.
Oh & for the record Adam, being a white male isn't what's holding you back. It's no easier being a non-white male, although I'm not saying it's harder. I think it generally boils down to class & who you know. A guy I did my Masters with, who was a considerably weaker candidate than me was able to get a job straight off the course. He didn't get jobs ahead of me because he's white, he got it because he's middle-class & his dad has a production company, cue connections. My old man has a small company that takes care of sewage maintenance. Sadly won't get me a job at the BBC :-\
In most jobs that's the case, the areas I've found it in have been goverment jobs... there's strictly no canvasing.
The last one I went for before going self employed was in a Newcastle City Council Gym.
I had more qualifications than they wanted, I had experience and knowledge of everything on the person specification for the job and displayed this on my application form... I even had experience in working in newcastle city council (one of the specifications was 'able to work within and represent a local body). Ticked and exceeded every box... everything they wanted.
Like I said I live in a pretty nice area at the moment, so in terms of 'class' that's all they've got to go off on an application form.
They also wanted to know my ethnic background, maritial status, disabilitys and sexuality....
The application closed about 6 weeks ago and I've yet to hear a thing... I met literally every part of the person specification and my qualifications exceeded the minimum. Experience preferred but not necessary... I've got a shit load.
Not even an interview.
Re: Have you ever been subjected to Racial/ Cultural Abuse/ Discrimination?
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Originally Posted by
Grinch
I didn't know you was mixed race jazz? ;)
I used to hate ticking the ''Other'' box in the ethic background section on application forms. Mixed race wasn't an option till about 2001 :-\
I worry about the state of things in the U.S. Mixed Race isn't an option there to this day... I truly HATE that Barrack Obama gets called black by 95% of the world.
He probably calls himself Black :rolleyes:
My Mother would of smacked the shit out of me (no pun intended :-X ) for that ;D
Halle Berry, Thierry Henry, Lewis Hamilton, Alicia Keys etc.. all mixed race, all get called black/ call them selves black... I understand the hangup but it's nonsense.
What would you rather be? A Genetic hybrid or an Genetic Inbred? ;D
The US is very different though because of the one drop rule. Someone who is say 1/16th black over there, is still considered black. Because of the attitude to mixed-races over there all those people have probably been defined as black their whole lives, so that's how they'll feel themselves.
Even in the UK a lot of people still tend to see mixed-race people as black, it's just the way of the world, it can be a bit irritating at times but it doesn't really bother me. Oddly, it's only really on here that I ever find myself reacting as a 'black' person because I always consider myself mixed, I mean I look more Arab or North African than anything else.
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In most jobs that's the case, the areas I've found it in have been goverment jobs... there's strictly no canvasing.
The last one I went for before going self employed was in a Newcastle City Council Gym.
I had more qualifications than they wanted, I had experience and knowledge of everything on the person specification for the job and displayed this on my application form... I even had experience in working in newcastle city council (one of the specifications was 'able to work within and represent a local body). Ticked and exceeded every box... everything they wanted.
Like I said I live in a pretty nice area at the moment, so in terms of 'class' that's all they've got to go off on an application form.
They also wanted to know my ethnic background, maritial status, disabilitys and sexuality....
The application closed about 6 weeks ago and I've yet to hear a thing... I met literally every part of the person specification and my qualifications exceeded the minimum. Experience preferred but not necessary... I've got a shit load.
Not even an interview.
It's the same for me mate. They ask all those things (race, gender, sexuality, disability), but it honestly doesn't benefit you to be a minority. I'm an ethnic minority with learning difficulties, I've found it no easier to get a job than you & I'm similarly over-qualified for pretty much every position I apply to.
I've had so many interviews where I sit there & think I more than meet all the criteria, only for me to end up not even getting an interview. It's the recession, the new positions go to those who've got someone to vouch for them. I ended up taking unpaid employment for the TV station in the European Parliament. I was the only one who was unpaid of all the interns, but I was the most qualified & the only one who'd had any work experience in the TV industry (in my case working as part of the production team on the Beijing Olympics).
It's all about connections. You can have all the experience & talent in the world, but if you've got no connections you're fucked.
Re: Have you ever been subjected to Racial/ Cultural Abuse/ Discrimination?
It depends on the job too.
A local solicitor's, builder's merchant etc etc won't have these in place but The Fire Service/City Councils have to fill certain quotas of 'backgrounds' to receive full funding from the government.
Obviously they don't want this to be mass public knowledge but anybody else who has worked in these places will tell you the same.
Of course there are also loads of advantages to being a white male, but we're talking about our personal experiences of discrimination etc.
You can go on tyne and wear's fire and rescue service recruitment site and see if in plain English "The Fire Services of the North East are looking for Wholetime Firefighters, particularly ethnic minorities and females.'
Imagine the UPROAR if it had said particularly white males.
I'm having to miss the most recent recruitment drive for the fire service, despite the fact that I passed the whole process last time there wasn't a job at the end of it and after 18 months you have to be retested.
- They knocked me back at the application stage this time. The carry out 'positive action' days leading up to recruitment... basically anybody can come to them except white males... you get to speak to the people running the recruitment process about what it entails etc.
My recruitment application gets knocked back because I put down 'self employed' under current employer (this was 'incorrect' so they didn't even read the rest of my application :rolleyes:).
A friend of mine... we'll call him paul... is mixed race and has been to several of these positive action days, like me he didn't recieve a letter telling him to do the written tests which take place during the period of a week.
Paul rings up... we'll call her sue, she runs the whole show... same as I did (confused as to how I could pass EVERYTHING with a high score last time yet not even have my application accepted this time) and asks "I haven't had a letter, has there been a problem". The differences is I don't know the women, having went to several of these 'positive action' days he's met and spoke to her several times.
I'm not saying he's done anything on purpose or knowingly etc but all I get told is 'no letter, no pass'... he gets told that she'll look into it and gets phoned back and given a test on the very last day and time of testing (but never had a letter sent out). If the Fire Service don't fill the quotas they don't get full funding... he's not half Indian/Pakistani etc... he's from a minority minority... not easy to find.
Now I could be wrong... but that just reeks of bullshit to be honest.
Even if it's just my paranoid little mind (his kid's my godson, I want him to get in...) and there's nothing going on... the fact that they're holding days to teach people how to prepare properly for the tests (as long as you're not white) and have a message on their own website that basically equates to
"we're particularly interested in you if you're an ethnic minority or a female" (ie: if you're not an ethnic minority or female (a white male basically) then we're not particularly interested in you) is pretty shitty.
During the interview you have to demonstrate occasions were you have acted sensitively and fairly to those of a different background... yet this organisation is segregation everybody into little boxes and is putting off putting messages on their website and billboards insensitive and off putting to people of a white background... equality my arse.
Again there are loads of advantages to being a white male, I'm just talking about a personal experience of it being a disadvantage.
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Originally Posted by
AdamGB
It depends on the job too.
A local solicitor's, builder's merchant etc etc won't have these in place but The Fire Service/City Councils have to fill certain quotas of 'backgrounds' to receive full funding from the government.
Obviously they don't want this to be mass public knowledge but anybody else who has worked in these places will tell you the same.
Of course there are also loads of advantages to being a white male, but we're talking about our personal experiences of discrimination etc.
You can go on tyne and wear's fire and rescue service recruitment site and see if in plain English "The Fire Services of the North East are looking for Wholetime Firefighters, particularly ethnic minorities and females.'
Imagine the UPROAR if it had said particularly white males.
I'm having to miss the most recent recruitment drive for the fire service, despite the fact that I passed the whole process last time there wasn't a job at the end of it and after 18 months you have to be retested.
- They knocked me back at the application stage this time. The carry out 'positive action' days leading up to recruitment... basically anybody can come to them except white males... you get to speak to the people running the recruitment process about what it entails etc.
My recruitment application gets knocked back because I put down 'self employed' under current employer (this was 'incorrect' so they didn't even read the rest of my application :rolleyes:).
A friend of mine... we'll call him paul... is mixed race and has been to several of these positive action days, like me he didn't recieve a letter telling him to do the written tests which take place during the period of a week.
Paul rings up... we'll call her sue, she runs the whole show... same as I did (confused as to how I could pass EVERYTHING with a high score last time yet not even have my application accepted this time) and asks "I haven't had a letter, has there been a problem". The differences is I don't know the women, having went to several of these 'positive action' days he's met and spoke to her several times.
I'm not saying he's done anything on purpose or knowingly etc but all I get told is 'no letter, no pass'... he gets told that she'll look into it and gets phoned back and given a test on the very last day and time of testing (but never had a letter sent out). If the Fire Service don't fill the quotas they don't get full funding... he's not half Indian/Pakistani etc... he's from a minority minority... not easy to find.
Now I could be wrong... but that just reeks of bullshit to be honest.
Even if it's just my paranoid little mind (his kid's my godson, I want him to get in...) and there's nothing going on... the fact that they're holding days to teach people how to prepare properly for the tests (as long as you're not white) and have a message on their own website that basically equates to
"we're particularly interested in you if you're an ethnic minority or a female" (ie: if you're not an ethnic minority or female (a white male basically) then we're not particularly interested in you) is pretty shitty.
During the interview you have to demonstrate occasions were you have acted sensitively and fairly to those of a different background... yet this organisation is segregation everybody into little boxes and is putting off putting messages on their website and billboards insensitive and off putting to people of a white background... equality my arse.
Again there are loads of advantages to being a white male, I'm just talking about a personal experience of it being a disadvantage.
I agree, that is pretty stupid. I guess in an area that's overwhelmingly white they probably try & fill quotas that are unrealistic of the wider area of something. Especially for the Fire Service, it should be the best person for the job. Affirmative action is a bullshit way of people getting out of hiring the best person for the job & usually doesn't help all those people are discriminated against when looking for work. It usually does little to curb employers of any racist beliefs anyway since they aren't hiring someone for their skills, but to be PC.
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It has been rather tough... Growing up as a upper middle class white kid in New England. ;D
Re: Have you ever been subjected to Racial/ Cultural Abuse/ Discrimination?
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Originally Posted by
JazMerkin
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Originally Posted by
AdamGB
It depends on the job too.
A local solicitor's, builder's merchant etc etc won't have these in place but The Fire Service/City Councils have to fill certain quotas of 'backgrounds' to receive full funding from the government.
Obviously they don't want this to be mass public knowledge but anybody else who has worked in these places will tell you the same.
Of course there are also loads of advantages to being a white male, but we're talking about our personal experiences of discrimination etc.
You can go on tyne and wear's fire and rescue service recruitment site and see if in plain English "The Fire Services of the North East are looking for Wholetime Firefighters, particularly ethnic minorities and females.'
Imagine the UPROAR if it had said particularly white males.
I'm having to miss the most recent recruitment drive for the fire service, despite the fact that I passed the whole process last time there wasn't a job at the end of it and after 18 months you have to be retested.
- They knocked me back at the application stage this time. The carry out 'positive action' days leading up to recruitment... basically anybody can come to them except white males... you get to speak to the people running the recruitment process about what it entails etc.
My recruitment application gets knocked back because I put down 'self employed' under current employer (this was 'incorrect' so they didn't even read the rest of my application :rolleyes:).
A friend of mine... we'll call him paul... is mixed race and has been to several of these positive action days, like me he didn't recieve a letter telling him to do the written tests which take place during the period of a week.
Paul rings up... we'll call her sue, she runs the whole show... same as I did (confused as to how I could pass EVERYTHING with a high score last time yet not even have my application accepted this time) and asks "I haven't had a letter, has there been a problem". The differences is I don't know the women, having went to several of these 'positive action' days he's met and spoke to her several times.
I'm not saying he's done anything on purpose or knowingly etc but all I get told is 'no letter, no pass'... he gets told that she'll look into it and gets phoned back and given a test on the very last day and time of testing (but never had a letter sent out). If the Fire Service don't fill the quotas they don't get full funding... he's not half Indian/Pakistani etc... he's from a minority minority... not easy to find.
Now I could be wrong... but that just reeks of bullshit to be honest.
Even if it's just my paranoid little mind (his kid's my godson, I want him to get in...) and there's nothing going on... the fact that they're holding days to teach people how to prepare properly for the tests (as long as you're not white) and have a message on their own website that basically equates to
"we're particularly interested in you if you're an ethnic minority or a female" (ie: if you're not an ethnic minority or female (a white male basically) then we're not particularly interested in you) is pretty shitty.
During the interview you have to demonstrate occasions were you have acted sensitively and fairly to those of a different background... yet this organisation is segregation everybody into little boxes and is putting off putting messages on their website and billboards insensitive and off putting to people of a white background... equality my arse.
Again there are loads of advantages to being a white male, I'm just talking about a personal experience of it being a disadvantage.
I agree, that is pretty stupid. I guess in an area that's overwhelmingly white they probably try & fill quotas that are unrealistic of the wider area of something. Especially for the Fire Service, it should be the best person for the job. Affirmative action is a bullshit way of people getting out of hiring the best person for the job & usually doesn't help all those people are discriminated against when looking for work. It usually does little to curb employers of any racist beliefs anyway since they aren't hiring someone for their skills, but to be PC.
All it does is breed ill feeling and stigmas towards ethnic minorities who do get such jobs.
Recruit the best person for the job regardless of ethnic background etc.
Bingo - instant equality.
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I worked supporting victims of racial attacks, harassment and discrimination in Birmingham. It happened at schools, work place, police and council estates. Also had to deal with some murders in prison and night clubs. All whites on Blacks.
If it happened to me I would ignore their ignorance and laugh it off. They have the problem, not me.
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Master
I worked supporting victims of racial attacks, harassment and discrimination in Birmingham. It happened at schools, work place, police and council estates. Also had to deal with some murders in prison and night clubs. All whites on Blacks.
If it happened to me I would ignore their ignorance and laugh it off. They have the problem, not me.
Good thing to think in most circumstances.
If youre effected even within they get the friction they are seeking to continue.
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Andre
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Originally Posted by
Master
I worked supporting victims of racial attacks, harassment and discrimination in Birmingham. It happened at schools, work place, police and council estates. Also had to deal with some murders in prison and night clubs. All whites on Blacks.
If it happened to me I would ignore their ignorance and laugh it off. They have the problem, not me.
Good thing to think in most circumstances.
If youre effected even within they get the friction they are seeking to continue.
Yes, younger days I would have reacted but now, it is not worth it and in fact they are looking for a reaction from you and when they do not get it, that annoys them even more. :)
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Ewe must be married too. :sheep: :sheep:
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
It has been rather tough... Growing up as a upper middle class white kid in New England. ;D
Cool, you must have an accent like Peter Griffin then?
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AdamGB
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Originally Posted by
JazMerkin
Being mixed-race, I tend to get it from everybody. I've been called pretty much every racial insult pertaining to mixed-race, black, Asian & Arab people & had racial abuse for the white side of me. So I'm kind of used to it. Truthfully, most of the time people come out with stuff, it's generally because they're ignorant, e.g. use of the term 'half-caste' which is very racist, but many people think is the normal term for mixed-race people, hell I did when I was little.
I used to have no problem beating on people for racist abuse, whether they were black, asian or white, but that was mainly when I was in my teens. Nowadays I get very little of it, mainly because being a bit older & bigger, I'm not perceived as an easy target. It's more general stereotypes that piss me off, like people always asking to buy drugs off me when I'm out in a club or when I had a job interview & the interviewer kept calling me 'man' & doing weird shit with his hands, as if I was a some ghetto stereotype in a string vest with a 40 oz rather than a double graduate in a suit.
Oh & for the record Adam, being a white male isn't what's holding you back. It's no easier being a non-white male, although I'm not saying it's harder. I think it generally boils down to class & who you know. A guy I did my Masters with, who was a considerably weaker candidate than me was able to get a job straight off the course. He didn't get jobs ahead of me because he's white, he got it because he's middle-class & his dad has a production company, cue connections. My old man has a small company that takes care of sewage maintenance. Sadly won't get me a job at the BBC :-\
In most jobs that's the case, the areas I've found it in have been goverment jobs... there's strictly no canvasing.
The last one I went for before going self employed was in a Newcastle City Council Gym.
I had more qualifications than they wanted, I had experience and knowledge of everything on the person specification for the job and displayed this on my application form... I even had experience in working in newcastle city council (one of the specifications was 'able to work within and represent a local body). Ticked and exceeded every box... everything they wanted.
Like I said I live in a pretty nice area at the moment, so in terms of 'class' that's all they've got to go off on an application form.
They also wanted to know my ethnic background, maritial status, disabilitys and sexuality....
The application closed about 6 weeks ago and I've yet to hear a thing... I met literally every part of the person specification and my qualifications exceeded the minimum. Experience preferred but not necessary... I've got a shit load.
Not even an interview.
Out here jobs come up for tender every so often but you get to realize that they are already spoken for, but to appear fair they go through all the motions and waste everyones time. Usually the guy who done the job before goes for and gets it again, or the bosses sons friend.
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I've had to put up with some subtle and not so subtle Jew-bashing.
One of the most interesting situations came when I was teaching in a small predominately minority school in a predominately minority part of Boston. I was the only white male teacher and I happen to also be a Jew.
Boston is a city with a history of racial tension. To make a long story short, the powers that controlled the city at one time created a situation that encouraged minorities to move into the Jewish sections of town. "White flight" occurred, and in these neighborhoods, Jews were known more as landlord and business owners. Add to the mix a large Mosque related to Farakan's Nation of Islam.
I had an African-American collegue who I considered (and still consider) a friend say some completely ignorant things about "The Jews" and then get very upset when I told her that much of what she was staying were out and out lies, very old in nature, which continue to be spread by people like Farahkan. Well, it got ugly. Another person (also black) jumped in against me. Thankfully, one enlightened person (also black) jumped in on my side.
There were some sore feelings for a few days, but after we talked more later with cooler heads, we both really learned something - they learned about how Jews and Blacks have been pitted against each other for years and found out a few things many people of Jewish background have done to help other minorities.
Got a piece of what many black people who are the lone minority in a group go through constantly.
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Originally Posted by
Andre
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Originally Posted by
AdamGB
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Originally Posted by
JazMerkin
Being mixed-race, I tend to get it from everybody. I've been called pretty much every racial insult pertaining to mixed-race, black, Asian & Arab people & had racial abuse for the white side of me. So I'm kind of used to it. Truthfully, most of the time people come out with stuff, it's generally because they're ignorant, e.g. use of the term 'half-caste' which is very racist, but many people think is the normal term for mixed-race people, hell I did when I was little.
I used to have no problem beating on people for racist abuse, whether they were black, asian or white, but that was mainly when I was in my teens. Nowadays I get very little of it, mainly because being a bit older & bigger, I'm not perceived as an easy target. It's more general stereotypes that piss me off, like people always asking to buy drugs off me when I'm out in a club or when I had a job interview & the interviewer kept calling me 'man' & doing weird shit with his hands, as if I was a some ghetto stereotype in a string vest with a 40 oz rather than a double graduate in a suit.
Oh & for the record Adam, being a white male isn't what's holding you back. It's no easier being a non-white male, although I'm not saying it's harder. I think it generally boils down to class & who you know. A guy I did my Masters with, who was a considerably weaker candidate than me was able to get a job straight off the course. He didn't get jobs ahead of me because he's white, he got it because he's middle-class & his dad has a production company, cue connections. My old man has a small company that takes care of sewage maintenance. Sadly won't get me a job at the BBC :-\
In most jobs that's the case, the areas I've found it in have been goverment jobs... there's strictly no canvasing.
The last one I went for before going self employed was in a Newcastle City Council Gym.
I had more qualifications than they wanted, I had experience and knowledge of everything on the person specification for the job and displayed this on my application form... I even had experience in working in newcastle city council (one of the specifications was 'able to work within and represent a local body). Ticked and exceeded every box... everything they wanted.
Like I said I live in a pretty nice area at the moment, so in terms of 'class' that's all they've got to go off on an application form.
They also wanted to know my ethnic background, maritial status, disabilitys and sexuality....
The application closed about 6 weeks ago and I've yet to hear a thing... I met literally every part of the person specification and my qualifications exceeded the minimum. Experience preferred but not necessary... I've got a shit load.
Not even an interview.
Out here jobs come up for tender every so often but you get to realize that they are already spoken for, but to appear fair they go through all the motions and waste everyones time. Usually the guy who done the job before goes for and gets it again, or the bosses sons friend.
Tendering for contracts is a funny old game. Especially were Local Authorities are concerned.
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Andre
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
It has been rather tough... Growing up as a upper middle class white kid in New England. ;D
Cool, you must have an accent like Peter Griffin then?
Actually Quahog is based off of the town I grew up in ;D It's Warwick RI
