Re: Parallel between Roy Jones Jr. and Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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I see some similiarities here. Granted Mayweather is much smarter and has and will continue to manage his career much better. But the big parallel I see is that Floyd is now basically being forced into a fight with Pac-man. He has never, and never would have sought this out on his own. The public is demanding it. This is the very same thing that happened when Roy Jones HAD to fight Tarver. It was at this point that Jones was exposed and started getting his rolled every other fight. It's not something that would happen to Floyd. If he loses, I think we'll just hear excuses. But for the first time, Floyd is being forced into a fight with someone he wants nothing to do with. I just think the paralels are interesting
No question Floyd doesn't have the greatest resume...but you can make the case that Manny is taking this fight because the market demands it as well. His last three fights where cherry picked by Roach and suited his strengths and revealed the glaring weaknesses of his opponents. You very well can see the Pac momentum being halted in it's tracks by a Floyd boxing clinic.
Seriously? De La Hoya to Hatton to Cotto was "cherry picking?"
De La Hoya was weight drained on fight night but all the hyping and pre-fight predictions all thought that Manny was going to get smoked. People even thought the fight was a joke because the size difference was too much. That is not "cherry picking." Then he fought the lineal champ at 140 in Hatton, who had never lost in the weight division who also looked good in his last fight against Malignaggi. Again, not "cherry picking." Then Miguel Cotto? I'm not even going to need to explain this one, but Pac fought guys that were at one point WAY TOO big to even fathom a fight against them and beat them convincingly.
Re: Parallel between Roy Jones Jr. and Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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zhubin
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I see some similiarities here. Granted Mayweather is much smarter and has and will continue to manage his career much better. But the big parallel I see is that Floyd is now basically being forced into a fight with Pac-man. He has never, and never would have sought this out on his own. The public is demanding it. This is the very same thing that happened when Roy Jones HAD to fight Tarver. It was at this point that Jones was exposed and started getting his rolled every other fight. It's not something that would happen to Floyd. If he loses, I think we'll just hear excuses. But for the first time, Floyd is being forced into a fight with someone he wants nothing to do with. I just think the paralels are interesting
No question Floyd doesn't have the greatest resume...but you can make the case that Manny is taking this fight because the market demands it as well. His last three fights where cherry picked by Roach and suited his strengths and revealed the glaring weaknesses of his opponents. You very well can see the Pac momentum being halted in it's tracks by a Floyd boxing clinic.
Seriously? De La Hoya to Hatton to Cotto was "cherry picking?"
De La Hoya was weight drained on fight night but all the hyping and pre-fight predictions all thought that Manny was going to get smoked. People even thought the fight was a joke because the size difference was too much. That is not "cherry picking." Then he fought the lineal champ at 140 in Hatton, who had never lost in the weight division who also looked good in his last fight against Malignaggi. Again, not "cherry picking." Then Miguel Cotto? I'm not even going to need to explain this one, but Pac fought guys that were at one point WAY TOO big to even fathom a fight against them and beat them convincingly.
It's funny that pacmans last threefights were Cotto Hatton and Oscar and he's considered to fight anyone and Mayweathers last three fights were Oscar, Hatton and Marquez. But Pacman is considered a fearless warrior and Mayweather a cherry picker.
Lol as a fan of both it's pretty clear that Mayweather is right, he'll never get credit he desserves, even the pound for pound number 1 is not held to as high a standard as Mayweather.
I Cotto is an amazing win! but wasn't saying he was shot already? it was a cover on the ring for christ sake! The fact that Mayweather beat Oscar and HAtton first counts for nothing either? people overlook the fact he fought Oscar at 154 with all of Oscars rules.
What is Pacs best win in realitY? Cotto without Doubt! and what an amazing win it was but why is one a cherry picker and the other a warrior despite the fact they have faced virtually the same opposition in the last few fights?
Re: Parallel between Roy Jones Jr. and Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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C-Lo
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zhubin
No question Floyd doesn't have the greatest resume...but you can make the case that Manny is taking this fight because the market demands it as well. His last three fights where cherry picked by Roach and suited his strengths and revealed the glaring weaknesses of his opponents. You very well can see the Pac momentum being halted in it's tracks by a Floyd boxing clinic.
Seriously? De La Hoya to Hatton to Cotto was "cherry picking?"
De La Hoya was weight drained on fight night but all the hyping and pre-fight predictions all thought that Manny was going to get smoked. People even thought the fight was a joke because the size difference was too much. That is not "cherry picking." Then he fought the lineal champ at 140 in Hatton, who had never lost in the weight division who also looked good in his last fight against Malignaggi. Again, not "cherry picking." Then Miguel Cotto? I'm not even going to need to explain this one, but Pac fought guys that were at one point WAY TOO big to even fathom a fight against them and beat them convincingly.
It's funny that pacmans last threefights were Cotto Hatton and Oscar and he's considered to fight anyone and Mayweathers last three fights were Oscar, Hatton and Marquez. But Pacman is considered a fearless warrior and Mayweather a cherry picker.
Lol as a fan of both it's pretty clear that Mayweather is right, he'll never get credit he desserves, even the pound for pound number 1 is not held to as high a standard as Mayweather.
I Cotto is an amazing win! but wasn't saying he was shot already? it was a cover on the ring for christ sake! The fact that Mayweather beat Oscar and HAtton first counts for nothing either? people overlook the fact he fought Oscar at 154 with all of Oscars rules.
What is Pacs best win in realitY? Cotto without Doubt! and what an amazing win it was but why is one a cherry picker and the other a warrior despite the fact they have faced virtually the same opposition in the last few fights?
Why is he a cherry picker? Because he makes it look so easy when he wins, so he must be cherry picking. Maybe if Floyd carried his opponents and let them bloddy his nose or knock him down it would change peoples view of him. It worked in the Castillo fight and look what that did for Castillo?
Re: Parallel between Roy Jones Jr. and Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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Floyd will never let that happen. He'd run faster from williams than he did from Margarito. Just like every other welterweight that Williams wants to fight. And manny does have a high, and effective work rate, coupled with crippling power. Something floyd has never felt.
crippling power he couldnt quite use on DLH, he hit him flush many many times and never hurt him, hatton and cotto have question marks due to their previous fights when it comes to punch resistance... floyd isnt even slighty worn in this way... pac wont stop him mark my words
Hitmanhatton and 15rounder its been a pleasure to read both your posts in this thread, you two are stand out posters and gentlemen of the highest order.
Re: Parallel between Roy Jones Jr. and Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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Floyd will never let that happen. He'd run faster from williams than he did from Margarito. Just like every other welterweight that Williams wants to fight. And manny does have a high, and effective work rate, coupled with crippling power. Something floyd has never felt.
crippling power he couldnt quite use on DLH, he hit him flush many many times and never hurt him, hatton and cotto have question marks due to their previous fights when it comes to punch resistance... floyd isnt even slighty worn in this way... pac wont stop him mark my words
Hitmanhatton and 15rounder its been a pleasure to read both your posts in this thread, you two are stand out posters and gentlemen of the highest order.
Stop trying to groom them you dirty old git ;D
Re: Parallel between Roy Jones Jr. and Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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This is where we disagree. I do agree that styles make fights. But pac mans punches hurt. And I think Floyd's style is pretty good for Pac man. Floyd likes to sit in the corner in his Philly Shell defense and look for openings while his opponents look for an opening to punch through. Pac man isn't going to look, he's gonna feel around for an opening...with his fists. I keep saying that something is going to get through. Every once in a while, Floyd will have to poke his head up and try to punch and that's when the fight will start. And are you seriously telling me that Roach won't make mid fight adjustments to win this fight? Seriously?
Yes style do make fights thats why a shot MAB, did even make the improved Manny Pacquiao look quite bad. Because he boxed on the backfoot counter punching, the only problem is that he was far too cautious and too shot at that point.
JMM also IMO beat Manny Pacquiao twice, because he counter punched and boxed on the backfoot. And also Erik Morales beat Manny Pacquiao by boxing on the backfoot and counter punching, are you noticing a pattern here ?
Floyd Mayweather Jr is a better boxer on the backfoot, and a better counter puncher than any of those guys above. You say DeMarcus Corley wobbled Floyd Mayweather Jr, well Oscar Larios moving up two weightclass wobbled Manny Pacquiao aswell.
The fact is i think you can only count on one hand, the amount of times Floyd Mayweather Jr has been hurt. Despite what anyone thinks the guy is almost a perfect fighter, and i honestly don't think he gets enough credit for the JMM win.
Sure JMM wasn't at his best moving up, but because it was so one sided would it have even mattered ? Floyd Mayweather Jr was also better at lower weightclasses, especially at Super Featherweight.
Lastly im taking Floyd Mayweather Jr by decision, i like Manny Pacquiao and i think he is an awesome fighter. But i think people are way too much on the Manny Pacquiao bandwagon, and they are forgetting that style wise Floyd Mayweather Jr is everything Manny Pacquiao struggles against.
Excellent post, couldnt agree more.
Me too, its worth bumping it across into the next page.
Re: Parallel between Roy Jones Jr. and Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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crippling power he couldnt quite use on DLH, he hit him flush many many times and never hurt him, hatton and cotto have question marks due to their previous fights when it comes to punch resistance... floyd isnt even slighty worn in this way... pac wont stop him mark my words
Hitmanhatton and 15rounder its been a pleasure to read both your posts in this thread, you two are stand out posters and gentlemen of the highest order.
Stop trying to groom them you dirty old git ;D
:lolhaha: Busted!
Like the whisteling man off Family guy
"Hey you two want to come in the Mod board for sssome lemonaide and punch".
Re: Parallel between Roy Jones Jr. and Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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C-Lo
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zhubin
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I see some similiarities here. Granted Mayweather is much smarter and has and will continue to manage his career much better. But the big parallel I see is that Floyd is now basically being forced into a fight with Pac-man. He has never, and never would have sought this out on his own. The public is demanding it. This is the very same thing that happened when Roy Jones HAD to fight Tarver. It was at this point that Jones was exposed and started getting his rolled every other fight. It's not something that would happen to Floyd. If he loses, I think we'll just hear excuses. But for the first time, Floyd is being forced into a fight with someone he wants nothing to do with. I just think the paralels are interesting
No question Floyd doesn't have the greatest resume...but you can make the case that Manny is taking this fight because the market demands it as well. His last three fights where cherry picked by Roach and suited his strengths and revealed the glaring weaknesses of his opponents. You very well can see the Pac momentum being halted in it's tracks by a Floyd boxing clinic.
Seriously? De La Hoya to Hatton to Cotto was "cherry picking?"
De La Hoya was weight drained on fight night but all the hyping and pre-fight predictions all thought that Manny was going to get smoked. People even thought the fight was a joke because the size difference was too much. That is not "cherry picking." Then he fought the lineal champ at 140 in Hatton, who had never lost in the weight division who also looked good in his last fight against Malignaggi. Again, not "cherry picking." Then Miguel Cotto? I'm not even going to need to explain this one, but Pac fought guys that were at one point WAY TOO big to even fathom a fight against them and beat them convincingly.
C-lo, people who where picking Oscar to smoke Pac...where doing exactly what you mentioned...hyping the fight. But hype and reality are two seperate things. Roach himself pointed out before the fight that Oscar is a shell of his past self...bringing him down to 147 just sealed the deal. Hatton...please my man! I don't care what championship belt Ricky had...his one dimensional, come forward style was tailor made for Pac...guess what...Roach pointed this out before the fight as well. And then there is Cotto. There was plenty of questions before the Pac/Cotto fight about whether Cotto was finished after the Tony fight....Roach mentioned this before the fight as well. Now don't get me wrong....Pac deserves credit for doing his job. But his team picked the right opponents at the right time. The last great, PRIME fighter Pac faced...Marquez...and those where 2 pick em fights. Floyd has also clearly avoided certain fighters...and his resume is by no means mind blowing. BUT...he will be BY FAR the best fighter Pac has ever faced. So if people think that Pac's last 3 fights are going to be an indication about how the Floyd fight will pan out...dream on.
Re: Parallel between Roy Jones Jr. and Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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zhubin
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C-Lo
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zhubin
No question Floyd doesn't have the greatest resume...but you can make the case that Manny is taking this fight because the market demands it as well. His last three fights where cherry picked by Roach and suited his strengths and revealed the glaring weaknesses of his opponents. You very well can see the Pac momentum being halted in it's tracks by a Floyd boxing clinic.
Seriously? De La Hoya to Hatton to Cotto was "cherry picking?"
De La Hoya was weight drained on fight night but all the hyping and pre-fight predictions all thought that Manny was going to get smoked. People even thought the fight was a joke because the size difference was too much. That is not "cherry picking." Then he fought the lineal champ at 140 in Hatton, who had never lost in the weight division who also looked good in his last fight against Malignaggi. Again, not "cherry picking." Then Miguel Cotto? I'm not even going to need to explain this one, but Pac fought guys that were at one point WAY TOO big to even fathom a fight against them and beat them convincingly.
C-lo, people who where picking Oscar to smoke Pac...where doing exactly what you mentioned...hyping the fight. But hype and reality are two seperate things. Roach himself pointed out before the fight that Oscar is a shell of his past self...bringing him down to 147 just sealed the deal. Hatton...please my man! I don't care what championship belt Ricky had...his one dimensional, come forward style was tailor made for Pac...guess what...Roach pointed this out before the fight as well. And then there is Cotto. There was plenty of questions before the Pac/Cotto fight about whether Cotto was finished after the Tony fight....Roach mentioned this before the fight as well. Now don't get me wrong....Pac deserves credit for doing his job. But his team picked the right opponents at the right time. The last great, PRIME fighter Pac faced...Marquez...and those where 2 pick em fights. Floyd has also clearly avoided certain fighters...and his resume is by no means mind blowing. BUT...he will be BY FAR the best fighter Pac has ever faced. So if people think that Pac's last 3 fights are going to be an indication about how the Floyd fight will pan out...dream on.
Floyd is going to be Manny biggest challege BAR NONE! I honestly don't think Pac is going to win this one but I'm going to be pulling for him to prove me wrong. Trust me, I'm a huge Pacquiao fan but I do doubt him winning some fights. This would be one of them.
Re: Parallel between Roy Jones Jr. and Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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C-Lo
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zhubin
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C-Lo
Seriously? De La Hoya to Hatton to Cotto was "cherry picking?"
De La Hoya was weight drained on fight night but all the hyping and pre-fight predictions all thought that Manny was going to get smoked. People even thought the fight was a joke because the size difference was too much. That is not "cherry picking." Then he fought the lineal champ at 140 in Hatton, who had never lost in the weight division who also looked good in his last fight against Malignaggi. Again, not "cherry picking." Then Miguel Cotto? I'm not even going to need to explain this one, but Pac fought guys that were at one point WAY TOO big to even fathom a fight against them and beat them convincingly.
C-lo, people who where picking Oscar to smoke Pac...where doing exactly what you mentioned...hyping the fight. But hype and reality are two seperate things. Roach himself pointed out before the fight that Oscar is a shell of his past self...bringing him down to 147 just sealed the deal. Hatton...please my man! I don't care what championship belt Ricky had...his one dimensional, come forward style was tailor made for Pac...guess what...Roach pointed this out before the fight as well. And then there is Cotto. There was plenty of questions before the Pac/Cotto fight about whether Cotto was finished after the Tony fight....Roach mentioned this before the fight as well. Now don't get me wrong....Pac deserves credit for doing his job. But his team picked the right opponents at the right time. The last great, PRIME fighter Pac faced...Marquez...and those where 2 pick em fights. Floyd has also clearly avoided certain fighters...and his resume is by no means mind blowing. BUT...he will be BY FAR the best fighter Pac has ever faced. So if people think that Pac's last 3 fights are going to be an indication about how the Floyd fight will pan out...dream on.
Floyd is going to be Manny biggest challege BAR NONE! I honestly don't think Pac is going to win this one but I'm going to be pulling for him to prove me wrong. Trust me, I'm a huge Pacquiao fan but I do doubt him winning some fights. This would be one of them.
And i think Pac will be the biggest challenge of Floyd's career. Floyd has never faced a better athlete in their prime with so much momentum. I just feel some people wrongly think this fight will play out like Pac's last three. Floyd is just a completely different class of fighter than Cotto, Hatton, or Oscar. Should be a great fight.
Re: Parallel between Roy Jones Jr. and Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Floyd would never have to be forced to take 20 million dollars or whatever it is to fight a guy. I can't think of anything he's done to make someone think he doesn't want this fight.
