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While drugs are illegal in sport of course there should be stringent testing (either that or legalise it and save all the hassle), but expecting Pac to undergo more stringent tests than the rest of the sport where the only evidence against him is slanderlous hearsay started by his next opponents dad is a bit much IMO.
i voted yes lets just get this fight made
10 million dollars per pound overweight is also a bit much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
As much as I agree with Manny that the contract should stipulate a huge amount of money per extra pound (just to not pull another Marquez-a-like trick), 10 millions per pound was highly exaggerated. Greedy punky Floyd accepted. TO accept an olympic test in return is not over-exaggerated. If it's good for Olympian, why couldn't it good for boxers as well?
To me, the argument that it would be a "premiere" is not exactly good enough to justify a total no to the whole thing. As a matter of fact, I would even be in favor that any significant match should be tested in that way.
as much as I dislike Floyd, if ever he has doubts, considering the huge size of the event, it is not an impossible demand. I don't know if Manny really refused of if it is a misunderstanding but for such money and considering that all his previous demands have been fulfilled, I do not see why what Floyd demands here should be ignored as it concerns both fighters and it is not something that will significantly play against Manny. Except if he has something to hide, of course.
Funny how everyone who kept saying Mayweather would be the one looking for ways out of the fight and his claims of Manny doing steroids were stupid. It comes time for Manny to step up and prove Mayweather wrong and he backs out. It seems shady.
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Originally Posted by killersheep10 million dollars per pound overweight is also a bit much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
@Bomp - Spot on!
@Killer - We have seen how much Floyd uses his weight to create an advantage - This Roid crap is a complete fabrication... Do you honestly believe if Floyd never had a history of coming in over weight to create an advantage that the penalty would be so high... We saw JMM pay the price... To bad JMM didn't make a weight stipulation maybe he would've had a better result (not a win but a better result of being a bit more fair)...
Just like Cotto was known for using low blows to create an advantage - Roach had to cover his bases...
Everything that applies to "crazy" stipulations have had cause...
THERE IS NO CAUSE FOR ALL THE ROID ACCUSATIONS!!
The easiest way to prove that would be to take the drug screen.Quote:
Originally Posted by cnote111Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep10 million dollars per pound overweight is also a bit much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
@Bomp - Spot on!
@Killer - We have seen how much Floyd uses his weight to create an advantage - This Roid crap is a complete fabrication... Do you honestly believe if Floyd never had a history of coming in over weight to create an advantage that the penalty would be so high... We saw JMM pay the price... To bad JMM didn't make a weight stipulation maybe he would've had a better result (not a win but a better result of being a bit more fair)...
Just like Cotto was known for using low blows to create an advantage - Roach had to cover his bases...
Everything that applies to "crazy" stipulations have had cause...
THERE IS NO CAUSE FOR ALL THE ROID ACCUSATIONS!!
...of course not. Only floyd should have to jump through hoops. This guy can fight but he can't take a couple of extra blood test ?? I've heard of homeless people giving blood two or three times a day for 50 bucks. Now pac can't take the test for 25 ga-zillion. Sounds fishy. Especially with him being around people involved with roids in the past.
What hoops? are you kidding me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
Hey Floyd don't cheat and purposely come in overweight to create an advantage... oh yea that is a huge f-ing hurdle... Must be horrible to do such things...
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Originally Posted by killersheepThe easiest way to prove that would be to take the drug screen.Quote:
Originally Posted by cnote111Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
@Bomp - Spot on!
@Killer - We have seen how much Floyd uses his weight to create an advantage - This Roid crap is a complete fabrication... Do you honestly believe if Floyd never had a history of coming in over weight to create an advantage that the penalty would be so high... We saw JMM pay the price... To bad JMM didn't make a weight stipulation maybe he would've had a better result (not a win but a better result of being a bit more fair)...
Just like Cotto was known for using low blows to create an advantage - Roach had to cover his bases...
Everything that applies to "crazy" stipulations have had cause...
THERE IS NO CAUSE FOR ALL THE ROID ACCUSATIONS!!
Agreed - However, why should he just because Floyd says so??? Why haven't any of the sanctioning bodies or the commission that oversees PED use come up with this??
If my wife came up to me and said "i know your cheating on me and i want you to take this lie detector test". I know for a fact i'm not, and if i said "why would you say that"? And she has zero basis for the accusation i wouldn't take the test...However, if she said she had this proof and that proof, i would take the test to prove my innocence..> But if anyone accuses me of anything without any real evidence.. They can kiss my ass!
The sanctioning bodies do nothing to my knowledge at this time. Local commissions strictly do pee tests which are insufficient to current designer drugs.Quote:
Originally Posted by cnote111Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepThe easiest way to prove that would be to take the drug screen.Quote:
Originally Posted by cnote111
Agreed - However, why should he just because Floyd says so??? Why haven't any of the sanctioning bodies or the commission that oversees PED use come up with this??
If my wife came up to me and said "i know your cheating on me and i want you to take this lie detector test". I know for a fact i'm not, and if i said "why would you say that"? And she has zero basis for the accusation i wouldn't take the test...However, if she said she had this proof and that proof, i would take the test to prove my innocence..> But if anyone accuses me of anything without any real evidence.. They can kiss my ass!
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Originally Posted by killersheepThe sanctioning bodies do nothing to my knowledge at this time. Local commissions strictly do pee tests which are insufficient to current designer drugs.Quote:
Originally Posted by cnote111Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Agreed - However, why should he just because Floyd says so??? Why haven't any of the sanctioning bodies or the commission that oversees PED use come up with this??
If my wife came up to me and said "i know your cheating on me and i want you to take this lie detector test". I know for a fact i'm not, and if i said "why would you say that"? And she has zero basis for the accusation i wouldn't take the test...However, if she said she had this proof and that proof, i would take the test to prove my innocence..> But if anyone accuses me of anything without any real evidence.. They can kiss my ass!
So wouldn't it be there responsibility to overhaul the system, not a fighter who is just trying to make waves and has no real reason to accuse Pac...
I still go back to my "wife" scenario - If someone accuses you without any evidence at all, would you subdue yourself to all their wishes to prove something you already know as being rediculous... However, with real proof behind it, i would be proud to prove my innocense..
Mayweather seeks strict drug testing for bout with Pacquiao -- latimes.comQuote:
Roach suggested a compromise, saying he would allow Pacquiao to give a blood sample one week before the fight, but no closer than three days before the bout.
So that's a compromise right there. Now get the fight on.
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Originally Posted by generalbulldog
I will end my position here... It was fun everyone.. Been here a long time, I just read more than i write... Keep up the great posts everyone...
~Peace~
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Originally Posted by cnote111Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepThe easiest way to prove that would be to take the drug screen.Quote:
Originally Posted by cnote111
Agreed - However, why should he just because Floyd says so??? Why haven't any of the sanctioning bodies or the commission that oversees PED use come up with this??
If my wife came up to me and said "i know your cheating on me and i want you to take this lie detector test". I know for a fact i'm not, and if i said "why would you say that"? And she has zero basis for the accusation i wouldn't take the test...However, if she said she had this proof and that proof, i would take the test to prove my innocence..> But if anyone accuses me of anything without any real evidence.. They can kiss my ass!
Yeah but this is less a "I think you're guilty so you have to take a test to prove me wrong" kinad thing than it is a "lets both take a test so there will be no doubts" kind of thing. Reasonable request from Floyd, given all the demands Pac has made, and this being that big a deal for him is incredibly fishy./