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...there was a reason RJJ went after John Ruiz instead of Wladimir and I don't think it was money or TV or anything to do with the business side fo the sport other than Wlad was extremely dangerous and John Ruiz wasn'tQuote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
Holmes schools his ass:thumb:
If Shavers landed then say good f:censored:n night
If Brewster & Sanders cleaned his ass up then you better believe others on their best night would own his ass
Wlad is the man right now, sure! but if your saying vs these guys at their best then the bro's going to have some issues!!!
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Let's see who else he can beat. He can 100% beat these HW champs at these stages.
-38 year old Ali in the Holmes fight
-38 year old Holmes in the Tyson fight
-39 year old Tyson in the McBride fight
-39 year old Holyfield in the RUiz fights
-48 year old Foreman in the Briggs fight
He could take all of those guys within 3 rounds, with the exception of the 48 year old Foreman whom might eke out an losing decision. Foreman was tough as hell for an old geezer.
I'd go so far as saying Wlad's a paper champion. The only reason he even has a belt is because his brother won't fight him. Vitaly would wear his @ss out faster than Corrie Sanders.
That is a load of shit right there...you call Wlad a "paper champion" and yet make no case for it either.Quote:
Originally Posted by match
If Vitali fought Wlad right now I think you would be shocked at how well Wlad would do. Vitali isn't the same fighter he used to be and Wlad has only gotten better.
Wlad would destroy a prime Tyson. He would beat Holyfield. Him and Lewis would be a great fight. Everything else is before my time.
Totally disagree on all 3 points - but it's all about opinions ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleskins
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Originally Posted by eagleskins
Your time obviously being from 2003 onwards as youve clearly never seen prime holyfield or tyson.
"My time" consists of the likes of lewis, bowe, holyfield, ruddock etc and i genuinely would be hard pushed to name one of them that wladimir could beat.
I do completely believe however that wladimir would of been a tad too much for bruno ;D;D;D
Yeah, Tyson was a monster. KTFO by Buster Douglas and Danny Williams. Wlad would intimidate Tyson before he ever stepped in the ring. Tyson is the most overrated fighter of all time. Do me a favor. Name one good fighter Tyson beat? Because there is a ton of tomato cans that beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by eagleskins
Your time obviously being from 2003 onwards as youve clearly never seen prime holyfield or tyson.
"My time" consists of the likes of lewis, bowe, holyfield, ruddock etc and i genuinely would be hard pushed to name one of them that wladimir could beat.
I do completely believe however that wladimir would of been a tad too much for bruno ;D;D;D
Name a fighter Wladimir Klitschko has beaten, that is better than Michael Spinks ?Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleskinsYeah, Tyson was a monster. KTFO by Buster Douglas and Danny Williams. Wlad would intimidate Tyson before he ever stepped in the ring. Tyson is the most overrated fighter of all time. Do me a favor. Name one good fighter Tyson beat? Because there is a ton of tomato cans that beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by eagleskins
Your time obviously being from 2003 onwards as youve clearly never seen prime holyfield or tyson.
"My time" consists of the likes of lewis, bowe, holyfield, ruddock etc and i genuinely would be hard pushed to name one of them that wladimir could beat.
I do completely believe however that wladimir would of been a tad too much for bruno ;D;D;D
Never said tyson was a great fighterQuote:
Originally Posted by eagleskinsYeah, Tyson was a monster. KTFO by Buster Douglas and Danny Williams. Wlad would intimidate Tyson before he ever stepped in the ring. Tyson is the most overrated fighter of all time. Do me a favor. Name one good fighter Tyson beat? Because there is a ton of tomato cans that beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by eagleskins
Your time obviously being from 2003 onwards as youve clearly never seen prime holyfield or tyson.
"My time" consists of the likes of lewis, bowe, holyfield, ruddock etc and i genuinely would be hard pushed to name one of them that wladimir could beat.
I do completely believe however that wladimir would of been a tad too much for bruno ;D;D;D
but while were talking about knockouts hows about getting completely p*wned by the mighty corrie sanders and lamon brewster
both of those guys are better than Douglas, McBride, and Williams. And both were early in Wlad's career. Sam Peter is a better fighter than Tyson ever beat. Not even close. Did you really just say Michael Spinks? You need to learn some boxing, bra.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerNever said tyson was a great fighterQuote:
Originally Posted by eagleskinsYeah, Tyson was a monster. KTFO by Buster Douglas and Danny Williams. Wlad would intimidate Tyson before he ever stepped in the ring. Tyson is the most overrated fighter of all time. Do me a favor. Name one good fighter Tyson beat? Because there is a ton of tomato cans that beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
but while were talking about knockouts hows about getting completely p*wned by the mighty corrie sanders and lamon brewster
Thye weren't early in his career :confused: Wlad had been a pro for about 15 years and had over 40 fights when he got battered by Sanders!! And do you think Williams and McBride were in Tyson's prime then :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleskinsboth of those guys are better than Douglas, McBride, and Williams. And both were early in Wlad's career. Sam Peter is a better fighter than Tyson ever beat. Not even close. Did you really just say Michael Spinks? You need to learn some boxing, bra.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerNever said tyson was a great fighterQuote:
Originally Posted by eagleskins
but while were talking about knockouts hows about getting completely p*wned by the mighty corrie sanders and lamon brewster
Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleskinsboth of those guys are better than Douglas, McBride, and Williams. And both were early in Wlad's career. Sam Peter is a better fighter than Tyson ever beat. Not even close. Did you really just say Michael Spinks? You need to learn some boxing, bra.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerNever said tyson was a great fighterQuote:
Originally Posted by eagleskins
but while were talking about knockouts hows about getting completely p*wned by the mighty corrie sanders and lamon brewster
tyson got beat by those guys because he was waiting for his pension plan to kick in
Wladmir got turned over by a tubby south african at the very age mike tyson was the most feared man on the planet
OK I'm going to be honest about a few things here
#1 If Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster got to fight more of the top tier fighters they would have been much more impressive fighters. They are still solid fighters, granted for a short period of time but Sanders was a threat to anyone who set foot in the ring with him, and nobody can argue that.
#2 If you look at the skill set of Wladimir Klitschko you will see he's built to beat a fighter "like" Tyson...could he keep his composure under Tyson's attack maybe not, but Wlad has everything you need to beat Tyson.
I think Wlad could have handled anyone considered 2nd tier in the era's of Ali, Holmes, Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield.....and I think personally he would have beaten Riddick Bowe (5 out of 10 times as previously stated) because as great as the guy fought, he never once faced a power puncher, and he didn't use his physical attributes to his advantage.
You guys also need to acknowledge that Wladimir Klitschko has fought more southpaws than any other heavyweight champion has had to. That's a very difficult thing to ask, Ali to my knowledge only fought 1, I'm not sure if Lewis fought any or even Tyson for that matter.
And to answer your question ICB Wladimir's never fought anyone on Spink's level because he's never even thought of fighting a light heavyweight much less considering such a fight to be an accomplishment. But to be totally honest I don't see Chris Byrd as any different than Spinks, he was just a full time heavyweight instead of being a light heavyweight first.