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Floyd dominated Juan Manuel Marquez who was P4P#2 and the fighter that some say beat Pacquiao twice Floyd then slipped in at number 2 behind Pacquiao now in his 2nd fight back Floyd is fighting P4P#3 and the real number 1 Welterweight so i think if he wins in good fashion he should edge Pacquiao back in to number 2 spot.
Although I think Mayweather would comfortably beat Manny, I don't think he has done enough to oust Manny as the number 1 man since his return. In fact he would have to beat Manny for me providing Manny doesn't get beaten by Clottey!
I said noted a few weeks ago that over history it seems that fighters who gravitate towards, or even from the WW division seem more destined for a greater kind of accolade than others. (bar maybe the Heavyweights?)
It's almost a hindrance to my judgement now that there are several fighters all in the same weight-class all rated as p4p some of the best fighters on the planet.
The thing to remember is that we are not talking about a simple league table.
Weight class aside, my principle is that the bias goes towards the naturally smaller man.
With that in mind, there's not a lot Mosley could do at this point become the No.1 ranked fighter.... Even if he sparked Floyd in one round, he'd still only be an heir apparent of sorts. Basically, it's Manny's crown to loose at this point (for reasons stated by Mark TKO & Fenster).
Good Question. I think alot of people got it right.
1. If PBF wins he's likely to be #1. Since him and Pac were neck and neck before, and Mosley represents a calibur of fighter (especially at welter) who is clearly better than any of either man's recent fights, PBF would win on quality of opponents.
2. Mosely beating PBF would be huge, but #1 depends on more than one fight. Right now, Pac is in his red-hot prime, displaying enormous skill, so the only was to catapult above him, if you are not PBF--who displays differnent skills of equal quality--is to actually beat him.
Of course the above can all change depending an how the fight unravels. That's one thing I love about boxing--its not merely if you win or lose (indeed a fighter can win while losing) its how you play the game.
For me Pac has to lose to Clottey for this to even be a consideration. I obviously rate Mosley higher than Clottey, BUT it's not like Clottey is a nobody, he has been competitive with many top welterweights.
if mayweather jr. beats mosley emphatically then yes, i think he deserves to take the no. 1 p4p title!
It's all subjective because that's what P4P is. I personally have Mayweather at #1 right now, because I tend to mix resume with the basic idea of who I think would win in a fight if all things are equal.
So whatever the result, you could make an argument for the Mayweather-Mosley winner or Pacquiao being #1 on May 2, because it varies for everyone how you judge these things.
There are too many ways to looks at this... Manny only recieved #1 because Floyd 'retired'. Floyd comes back and beats the man Manny went life and death with... But Marquez was a blow up featherweight. Manny has beaten fighters Floyd beat in more convincing fashion... After Floyd already beat them ( depending on what you would call a more convincing fashion)... Thay have polar opposite styles... and so on and so forth.
For me personally I would put ability and who I think would beat who above pure accomplishments ( not that accomplishments dont count for anything) I think Mayweather is a better boxer than Pac... but in the end of the day this is the nonsense that is pound for pound, for how much it gets talked about it really doesnt mean that much of a deal to most people.
So glad that this fight is going through and big respects to both fighters for going through with it! Such a big fight im so so excited to watch it! I think Manny stays at number 1 if he beats Clottey and Floyd will definatly have a say in the matter if he beats Mosley in style. I still hope to god that the winners from both fights meet each other, it has to happen for the sake of boxing! 2010 is going to be a big year in boxing I think!
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Manny's wins now become very questionable. The fact that he refused random drug testing for his biggest payday of his career, makes him sound as dirty as a prison hype's needle.
The winner of this bout, get's the bump for me. Floyd exposed Manny and or it sure makes it look that way to me.
I say yes. wasnt happy with the circumstances of pacman pulling out of the fight so the winners number 1 in my opinion
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I am with you on the whole Pac/ Blood test issue but the P4P ratings aren't just a popularity competition.Quote:
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Aren't they?? :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by JimboogieI am with you on the whole Pac/ Blood test issue but the P4P ratings aren't just a popularity competition.Quote:
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I understand that some wouldn't give the spot to Mayweather because, while the p4p title isn't something to be defended like a belt, the top 2 guys are in a position to fight each other for it.
But that theory isn't fair because what if the fight never happens? What if Mayweather continues to fight #3 ranked guys & Pacquiao continues to fight #20+ ranked guys? Using that original theory Pacquiao can just say "Yeah he's beating #3 ranked guys but he hasn't beat me so i'm still p4p #1"