About Roy Jones Jr.

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Originally Posted by blegit

There are a few things that contribute to the backlash Pac is receiving. Forget the fact that Pac and his team had many contradicting excuses for not taking the tests even contradicting each other, forget the fact that Pac had Trevor Graham, a known and proven PED cheating trainer, as his trainer, and forget the fact that Pac's current nutritionist, Ariza, said he is getting faster as he is getting bigger and that he is in control and that Pac doesn't know what he gives him. Its the whole arrogant attitude that Pac's team has taken. They expect to call all the shots in negotiations even the weight and weight penalty and the one request Mayweather had they respond like Mayweather is the one wrong for asking. "How dare he want a proven even playing field?" They then go on to say stupid lies like "Mayweather is scared to fight Pac", "Mayweather ended the possible fight" even though they signed Clottey first. They say Mayweather should only request whats in the rules even though they've requested and gotten many rule bending and outside of the rules requests. Yes, you will have your "any fighter" haters but outside of the ring the Pac team is doing a terrible job staying liked by anyone not a nuthugger. Roy Jones Jr's situation was merely swept under the rug so there was little dwelling time and RJJ did not try to excuse himself. Fair or not, RJJ let the situation die and it did.

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I don't know why I'm getting into these debates again, maybe because it's a slow day.

I see your point on Pac's side about all the contradictions and excuses. But I've noticed this in the past 4 or 5 threads, when I've asked this question of what is this A-side meth that the Mayweather's particulary Floyd Sr. is accusing Pacquiao have been doing and everyone avoids it like the plague. This whole issue started with him by saying that Pac is on PEDs especially this A-side meth. A drug developed by the Filipino military that can make one take .38 and .45 bullets on the battlefield of war and the so called user keeps on coming forward just like in the boxing ring.

So I'm going to ask again what is this A-side meth where after taking it you can not only take bullets to the head and body but hard punches also.

Explain it to me, because everyone in almost every forum including this one has avoided the question of this miracle drug as explained by Floyd Sr and Roger.

I got bored 1 day and tried to look it up on the New england Journal of Medicine and (gasp!) it was nowhere to be found!

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

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Originally Posted by blegit

There are a few things that contribute to the backlash Pac is receiving. Forget the fact that Pac and his team had many contradicting excuses for not taking the tests even contradicting each other, forget the fact that Pac had Trevor Graham, a known and proven PED cheating trainer, as his trainer, and forget the fact that Pac's current nutritionist, Ariza, said he is getting faster as he is getting bigger and that he is in control and that Pac doesn't know what he gives him. Its the whole arrogant attitude that Pac's team has taken. They expect to call all the shots in negotiations even the weight and weight penalty and the one request Mayweather had they respond like Mayweather is the one wrong for asking. "How dare he want a proven even playing field?" They then go on to say stupid lies like "Mayweather is scared to fight Pac", "Mayweather ended the possible fight" even though they signed Clottey first. They say Mayweather should only request whats in the rules even though they've requested and gotten many rule bending and outside of the rules requests. Yes, you will have your "any fighter" haters but outside of the ring the Pac team is doing a terrible job staying liked by anyone not a nuthugger. Roy Jones Jr's situation was merely swept under the rug so there was little dwelling time and RJJ did not try to excuse himself. Fair or not, RJJ let the situation die and it did.

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I don't know why I'm getting into these debates again, maybe because it's a slow day.

I see your point on Pac's side about all the contradictions and excuses. But I've noticed this in the past 4 or 5 threads, when I've asked this question of what is this A-side meth that the Mayweather's particulary Floyd Sr. is accusing Pacquiao have been doing and everyone avoids it like the plague. This whole issue started with him by saying that Pac is on PEDs especially this A-side meth. A drug developed by the Filipino military that can make one take .38 and .45 bullets on the battlefield of war and the so called user keeps on coming forward just like in the boxing ring.

So I'm going to ask again what is this A-side meth where after taking it you can not only take bullets to the head and body but hard punches also.

Explain it to me, because everyone in almost every forum including this one has avoided the question of this miracle drug as explained by Floyd Sr and Roger.

I got bored 1 day and tried to look it up on the New england Journal of Medicine and (gasp!) it was nowhere to be found!

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I'm with you on that one. I want to know what this A side meth is too. I looked it up once and saw a bit referring to it in the Vietnam war but it didn't go much into describing it. Other than that I have no idea what it is but I would like to know more about it.

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Originally Posted by blegit

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

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Originally Posted by blegit

There are a few things that contribute to the backlash Pac is receiving. Forget the fact that Pac and his team had many contradicting excuses for not taking the tests even contradicting each other, forget the fact that Pac had Trevor Graham, a known and proven PED cheating trainer, as his trainer, and forget the fact that Pac's current nutritionist, Ariza, said he is getting faster as he is getting bigger and that he is in control and that Pac doesn't know what he gives him. Its the whole arrogant attitude that Pac's team has taken. They expect to call all the shots in negotiations even the weight and weight penalty and the one request Mayweather had they respond like Mayweather is the one wrong for asking. "How dare he want a proven even playing field?" They then go on to say stupid lies like "Mayweather is scared to fight Pac", "Mayweather ended the possible fight" even though they signed Clottey first. They say Mayweather should only request whats in the rules even though they've requested and gotten many rule bending and outside of the rules requests. Yes, you will have your "any fighter" haters but outside of the ring the Pac team is doing a terrible job staying liked by anyone not a nuthugger. Roy Jones Jr's situation was merely swept under the rug so there was little dwelling time and RJJ did not try to excuse himself. Fair or not, RJJ let the situation die and it did.

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I don't know why I'm getting into these debates again, maybe because it's a slow day.

I see your point on Pac's side about all the contradictions and excuses. But I've noticed this in the past 4 or 5 threads, when I've asked this question of what is this A-side meth that the Mayweather's particulary Floyd Sr. is accusing Pacquiao have been doing and everyone avoids it like the plague. This whole issue started with him by saying that Pac is on PEDs especially this A-side meth. A drug developed by the Filipino military that can make one take .38 and .45 bullets on the battlefield of war and the so called user keeps on coming forward just like in the boxing ring.

So I'm going to ask again what is this A-side meth where after taking it you can not only take bullets to the head and body but hard punches also.

Explain it to me, because everyone in almost every forum including this one has avoided the question of this miracle drug as explained by Floyd Sr and Roger.

I got bored 1 day and tried to look it up on the New england Journal of Medicine and (gasp!) it was nowhere to be found!

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I'm with you on that one. I want to know what this A side meth is too. I looked it up once and saw a bit referring to it in the Vietnam war but it didn't go much into describing it. Other than that I have no idea what it is but I would like to know more about it.

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Bob Arum did say the US Chief of staff should immediately talk to the Filipino government in order to get this A-side meth for the US military, it would make sense since both nations are allies.

Just think the US infantry will have close to a zero casualty rate or something close to that if they can procure this drug and use it on the battlefield of war.

Military strategy has been totally reshaped with the possible usage of nuclear weapons in the modern age of warfare, but now this A-side meth will completely change the strategies of on field war.

Even classic military treatises like the "Art of War" and "On War" cannot detail of how to deal with enemy soldiers on this A-side meth.

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Originally Posted by Jimboogie

About Roy Jones Jr:
Roy Jones Jr. is the closest thing to Superman boxing has ever had.


About this thread:
Five words.... Ripped Fuel over the counter.

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EXACTLY!!!!!! 100% agree, people on the forum constantly spread misinformation as facts to tailored to their opinion...


"A post-fight drug test showed Jones and Hall both tested positive for androstenedione which is a banned substance by the IBF. Androstenedione is a natural steroid hormone that was commonly available over the counter as a supplement until 2004 when the DEA made the over the counter sale of androstenedione illegal. Jones admitted to taking the product "ripped fuel" which was sold at GNC and other nutritional supplement outlets.Jones was able to keep his titles and was not fined or suspended for the positive test by the IBF. The Commissioner of Indiana Boxing, Jacob Hall stated that Indiana did not have a law on drug testing and that an agreement was made with Jones to send his next two pre-fight drug tests to the Indiana commission. Both of those tests came back negative.Jones has not tested positive for illegal substances on any other occasion."

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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

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Originally Posted by Jimboogie

About Roy Jones Jr:
Roy Jones Jr. is the closest thing to Superman boxing has ever had.


About this thread:
Five words.... Ripped Fuel over the counter.

:cool:

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EXACTLY!!!!!! 100% agree, people on the forum constantly spread misinformation as facts to tailored to their opinion...


"A post-fight drug test showed Jones and Hall both tested positive for androstenedione which is a banned substance by the IBF. Androstenedione is a natural steroid hormone that was commonly available over the counter as a supplement until 2004 when the DEA made the over the counter sale of androstenedione illegal. Jones admitted to taking the product "ripped fuel" which was sold at GNC and other nutritional supplement outlets.Jones was able to keep his titles and was not fined or suspended for the positive test by the IBF. The Commissioner of Indiana Boxing, Jacob Hall stated that Indiana did not have a law on drug testing and that an agreement was made with Jones to send his next two pre-fight drug tests to the Indiana commission. Both of those tests came back negative.Jones has not tested positive for illegal substances on any other occasion."

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Thats what I thought happened, I was trying to find a link for it. I didnt think it was blatant steroid use, I thought it was something was legal but was made illegal and was in some product.

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

It's a complete fallacy that jones put on 19lbs...

Look at him in his last few fights at Light Heavy... no way was he walking around at 175.

Of course he did put on some mass but a lot of the weight gain would have came from the fact that he didn't have to cut and boil down in camp this time out.

From something he stopped doing, not something he did.

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Mate, I said from his last bout. he was 174 againts Woods. and there's no debate about him roiding. He had a history of roiding officially.

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

Ethics of Jone's testings etc aside 5,10,15lbs or what ever on a short man is not the same as on a tall man. Will leave the debates about testing etc for others but talking about weight is largely irelevant.

How much did you put on over the few weeks of Christmas? Performance is the issue here.

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Fine mate lets forget about weight.

Performance? Are you more impressed with Pacquiao than how Roy performed?

With that question. Are thinking these athletes are not capable of performing great feats? You think what Pac has done is more "Unbelievable" than Winning 126, 135 and 147 simultaneously as what Armstrong did? or you also think Armstrong is questionable because of that?

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By using that logic you could say Bernard Hopkins was also on Steroids for the Tarver fight as he went from weighing in low at middleweight to being a fully muscled Light Heavyweight. Wanna try to bring that up too?

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Originally Posted by Snakey

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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

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Originally Posted by Jimboogie

About Roy Jones Jr:
Roy Jones Jr. is the closest thing to Superman boxing has ever had.


About this thread:
Five words.... Ripped Fuel over the counter.

:cool:

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EXACTLY!!!!!! 100% agree, people on the forum constantly spread misinformation as facts to tailored to their opinion...


"A post-fight drug test showed Jones and Hall both tested positive for androstenedione which is a banned substance by the IBF. Androstenedione is a natural steroid hormone that was commonly available over the counter as a supplement until 2004 when the DEA made the over the counter sale of androstenedione illegal. Jones admitted to taking the product "ripped fuel" which was sold at GNC and other nutritional supplement outlets.Jones was able to keep his titles and was not fined or suspended for the positive test by the IBF. The Commissioner of Indiana Boxing, Jacob Hall stated that Indiana did not have a law on drug testing and that an agreement was made with Jones to send his next two pre-fight drug tests to the Indiana commission. Both of those tests came back negative.Jones has not tested positive for illegal substances on any other occasion."

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Thats what I thought happened, I was trying to find a link for it. I didnt think it was blatant steroid use, I thought it was something was legal but was made illegal and was in some product.

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And lets not forget the most important thing about this. Jones agreed to take tests! ;D

the "they" I'm referrin to is that of athletes in general every positive test obviously was to recover from injury or it was a tainted supplement :rolleyes: