Saddo's Pound For Pound Voting (Summer 2010) voting open till May 31st

1) Floyd Mayweather
2) Manny Pacquiao
3)Shane Mosley
4)Juan Manuel Marquez
5)Bernard Hopkins
6)Vic Darchinyan
7)Miguel Cotto
8)Sergio Martinez
9)Paul Williams
10) Arthur Abraham

I struglled with my top 10, now I'm glad I'm not alone.

3-10 is tough, 10-20 is near impossible to seperate.

I go for current skills though over past accomplishments. The past doesn't mean much, it's all about who would beat who based on skills, style and ability if weight was equal.

IMO Haye would beat most as he can bang and he can move.

The Klitches are hard to fathom, not only because they have fought poor fighters, but because they haven't had the fighters to fight.

I'm gonna ask one of the MODs to merge this into the Pound For Pound votes thread, seeing as there's a few here & no point people doing it again, if that's cool with you Bilbo?

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

1.Mayweather
2.Pacquiao
3.Wladimir
4.Martinez
5.Ward
6.Mosley
7.Hopkins
8.Bute
9.Bradley
10.Adamek

i'd say somewhere around there

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Shocking list.

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Originally Posted by mattboxingfan

1) Floyd Mayweather
2) Manny Pacquiao
3)Shane Mosley
4)Juan Manuel Marquez
5)Bernard Hopkins
6)Vic Darchinyan
7)Miguel Cotto
8)Sergio Martinez
9)Paul Williams
10) Arthur Abraham

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You can't be serious? He was getting his arse handed to him by Andre Dirrell. Also Vic? HOW!!! ;D

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Originally Posted by skel1983

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

1.Mayweather
2.Pacquiao
3.Wladimir
4.Martinez
5.Ward
6.Mosley
7.Hopkins
8.Bute
9.Bradley
10.Adamek

i'd say somewhere around there

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Shocking list.

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hey i whipped it up in like a minute, give me a break lol

One shitty performance after three monumental ones and Vasquez is out of the top 20??

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

One shitty performance after three monumental ones and Vasquez is out of the top 20??

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It's ironic really, since Nonito Doinare beat Vic Darchinyan in 2007 he has fought a string of nobodies and yet has climbed up to number 5 in the Ring rankings.

In the same time period Vasquez, who was already rated in the top 5 has gone 3-0 including two wins over Raphael Marquez who was also in the p4p rankings and yet he's now been dumped out of the top 20 altogether. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

One shitty performance after three monumental ones and Vasquez is out of the top 20??

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It's ironic really, since Nonito Doinare beat Vic Darchinyan in 2007 he has fought a string of nobodies and yet has climbed up to number 5 in the Ring rankings.

In the same time period Vasquez, who was already rated in the top 5 has gone 3-0 including two wins over Raphael Marquez who was also in the p4p rankings and yet he's now been dumped out of the top 20 altogether. :rolleyes:

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EXACTLY. And if anyone deserves a little down time, it is Vasquez after three FUCKING EPIC matches. You all need to put him back in the top 20. He has left more in the ring that David Haye will ever put in it.

1. Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Chad Dawson
4. Paul Williams
5. Sergio Martinez
6. Tim Bradley
7. Celestino Caballero
8. Ivan Calderon
9. Fernando Montiel
10. Wlad Klitchko
11. Shane Mosley
12. Bernard Hopkins
13. Nonito Donaire
14. Andre Ward
15. Juan Manuel Marquez
16. Chris John
17. Lucien Bute
18. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
19. Vitali Klitchko
20. Miguel Cotto

Others I could just as easily have switched in to the bottom slots -- Israel Vasquez, Rafael Marquez, Devon Alexander, Juan Manuel Lopez (though I think I pick Gamboa to beat him and Caballero -- but Gamboa's not quite proven enough for me to put him in), Vic Darchinian, Abner Mares, and probably some other little guys whom I'm just not familiar with.

1 PBF
2 Pac
3 Paul Williams
4 Chad Dawson
5 JuanMa Marquez
6 Bernard Hopkins
7 Tim Bradley
8 Sergio Martinez
9 Yuri Gamboa
10 JuanMa Lopez

My problem with current p4p lists is the inclusion of Bernard Hopkins. Bernard, at this point, better than Sergio Martinez and Chad Dawson p4p? That's a travesty and the reason the p4p lists have no credibility to me anymore.

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Originally Posted by Mo Frazier

My problem with current p4p lists is the inclusion of Bernard Hopkins. Bernard, at this point, better than Sergio Martinez and Chad Dawson p4p? That's a travesty and the reason the p4p lists have no credibility to me anymore.

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I think B Hop deserves to be above them both for now. He has won his last three fights including taking Kelly Pavlik's undefeated record.

I don't see how a fighter can be dropped whilst he's still winning. Martinez is 1-1-1 in his last 3 fights, regardless of you being able to make a case for him winning all three.

Dawson is doing well but has yet to face a real defining opponent. Both absolutely deserve to be on the p4p rankings but you can't knock B Hop down just because you 'think' the other guys are better.

P4P rankings are subjective, but only in accordance with strict criteria. B Hop's resume speaks for itself.

I really wouldn't argue with most opinions when coming to the rankings. Like everyone i'd have floyd and pac at the top in either order. Easy to only remember the last fight we see but you can't really go wrong either way without either of them loosing or fighting each other.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

P4P rankings are subjective, but only in accordance with strict criteria. B Hop's resume speaks for itself.

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What criteria? Like I said, I believe p4p to be the best fighters in the world regardless of what they've done in the ring. It's more of a judge on talent then actual accomplishments, I leave that to 'greatest' lists. Martinez is 1-1-1 and could very wello be 3-0, the fact that he has the draw is a TRAVESTY. If you look at B Hop in the ring and then Martinez in the ring, who is the better more talented fighter? It's not even close it's Martinez.

If you limit that criteria to 'has won a title' like I did, then you get a more fair criteria and you judge actual p4p talent rather then stacking accomplishments against each other.