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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
pongsaklek is the current linear champion at flyweight.
i used to disrespect pongsaklek before since he's always fighting bums in his home country in thailand but since his loss to daisuke naito, i started to respect some of his recent work. solid fights against naito (twice), miranda and lastly against koki kameda.
Hatton and Cotto were top 10 p4p at the time he was about to fight them.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyPacquiao hasn't fought the number 2-10 boxer yet :p Unless we count Marquez, but i don't know if he was on p4p when him and Pacquiao had the rematch, was he?Quote:
Originally Posted by mnmc10Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
he hasnt fought the #1 boxer yet.
And Marquez was a top 5 p4p when they fought.
The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings: 2008 - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia
Come on now, you're making it sound like he's ducking people.:vd:
I hate all this PFP stuff. It's completely subjective and will always lead to disagreement unless two fighters happen to be in their prime and are in the same division and are willing to face each other.
I don't think it matters so much who is number 1 right now, I just want the fight.
Pongwalek or whatever his name is , is not top 20 p4p !
Agreed. When #1 and #2 are close enough in weight where they can fight it's meaningless. It's like the BCS Championship game. It makes no difference who goes in as #1 as it's evident all questions will be answered after they meet.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
boxing needs a p4p #1 fighter. Pacman is the #1 right now.
Not according to Vegas odds makers he's not;)
What do you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by match
1 name... Sulaiman.Quote:
Originally Posted by gest12645
Pongsaklek is highly popular and brings in cash in his native land.
Which in turn pays fees to the WBC. He can defend his title 10 fucken times a year fighting guys who are 16-4-2 and make cash.
For many years PongsaShit and Arce shared a title. Arce said and challenged him formely plenty of times but the fight never took place. Arce would have wizzyzzyzzyziped his ass back then.
I detest PongsaShit. He's garbage...
PongsaShit aint no lineal nothing...Quote:
Originally Posted by toe2toeQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
pongsaklek is the current linear champion at flyweight.
i used to disrespect pongsaklek before since he's always fighting bums in his home country in thailand but since his loss to daisuke naito, i started to respect some of his recent work. solid fights against naito (twice), miranda and lastly against koki kameda.
Arce was the interim holder for a couple of years and that was never clarified between them.
Sulaiman cashed in on both Arce in Mexico and PongsaShit in Thailand.
Just look at the difference between the challengers they both faced.
While Arce faced guys that were 28-2, 30-2, 37-2, 28-3 etc. etc.
PongsaShit faced guys that were 13-1, 10-1, 14-6 etc. etc.
There was no lineage there during that time because of Arce so it was lost.
Naito beat him twice IMO... Close fight the 2nd one but I thought he won.
Beating Miranda and Kameda is what he should have been doing all these years.
Sorry but nothing in this world would make PongsaShit a top 10 p4p. NOTHING...
i agree pongsaklek at p4p #10 is a bit high.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick1 name... Sulaiman.Quote:
Originally Posted by gest12645
Pongsaklek is highly popular and brings in cash in his native land.
Which in turn pays fees to the WBC. He can defend his title 10 fucken times a year fighting guys who are 16-4-2 and make cash.
For many years PongsaShit and Arce shared a title. Arce said and challenged him formely plenty of times but the fight never took place. Arce would have wizzyzzyzzyziped his ass back then.
I detest PongsaShit. He's garbage...
PongsaShit aint no lineal nothing...Quote:
Originally Posted by toe2toeQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
pongsaklek is the current linear champion at flyweight.
i used to disrespect pongsaklek before since he's always fighting bums in his home country in thailand but since his loss to daisuke naito, i started to respect some of his recent work. solid fights against naito (twice), miranda and lastly against koki kameda.
Arce was the interim holder for a couple of years and that was never clarified between them.
Sulaiman cashed in on both Arce in Mexico and PongsaShit in Thailand.
Just look at the difference between the challengers they both faced.
While Arce faced guys that were 28-2, 30-2, 37-2, 28-3 etc. etc.
PongsaShit faced guys that were 13-1, 10-1, 14-6 etc. etc.
There was no lineage there during that time because of Arce so it was lost.
Naito beat him twice IMO... Close fight the 2nd one but I thought he won.
Beating Miranda and Kameda is what he should have been doing all these years.
Sorry but nothing in this world would make PongsaShit a top 10 p4p. NOTHING...
pong's lineage is clear tho, you can trace it here:
chitalada
yong kang kim
chitalada
maungchai kittikasem
yuri arbachakov
chatchai sasakul
manny pacquiao
singsurat
tunacao
pongsaklek
naito
kameda
pongsaklek
in fact pongsaklek been there 2 times already.
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Originally Posted by toe2toe
The Ring's rankings suck to the base of the barge pole.
Here are my Pound for Pound Top Dozen
This is simply a snapshot in time as of May 6, 2010.
1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
3. Chad Dawson
4. Lucien Bute
5. Andre Ward
6. Sergio Martinez
7. Celestino Caballero
8. Paul Williams
9. Nonito Donaire
10. Vic Darchinyan
11. Timothy Bradley
12. Yonnhy Perez
Others breathing down their necks include Juan Manuel Lopez, Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym, Juan Manuel Marquez, Ivan Calderon, and Marcos Maidana.
PBF has an edge in my P4P rankings over Pac b/c of the quality of his opponants, Mosely in a particular.
Pac hasn't fought anyone at that level in the welter div. Clotty was coming off a loss and even b/f that was not on a HoF trajectory. Cotto was never the same after being plastered, while Hatton and ODLH were already thoroughly dissected by PBF himself b/f Pac took them down, albeit in even more convincing fashion.
In contrast, future HoFer ODLH wasn't far past his prime--having only lost to a biiger BHop, arguably should've gotten the decison over a juiced future HoFer Mosely (not to mention Trinidad), and thouroghly KO'd Mayorga--b/f PBF dismantled him. Hatton was an undefeated P4Per when PBF destroyed him while JMM, still a P4Per, fought Pac to a draw b/f being thououghly outclassed by PBF. And then there's Mosely.
PBF is undfeated. He was number one when he retired and no one ever took that away from him in the ring. The most vocal criticism of him is that he handpicks opponants, but ironically his most recent opponants clearly outrank those of his closest P4P competitor. Therefore he should be on top.
pacquiao and floyd needs to fight to settle this p4p #1 issue.
Yes but the stupid thing is when one of them loses, they wont even be no 2 someone else will fill that spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by toe2toe