Pac's not ready for Floyd....

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu apprentice

I hate to admit it but let's just take a look see at who he has fought....

Pac: Hatton, De la Hoya, Cotto

None of those guys are great on defense, none of those guys have fast hands, none of those guys move their heads, none of those guys counter very well, and their footwork is very slow.

Have we been seeing an optical illusion? Does Manny look fast as hell because everyone he fights isn't that fast and so Manny looks like the Flash when he's fighting?

Whatever the reason, just looking at who he has fought building up to this fight it doesn't instill me with much confidence, I'm pulling for Pac but I have to say Floyd is going to win by KO.

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I guess this post prooves that having 26,000 posts still doesnt make you a guru. I'm really not sure where to start. Mosely was purely outboxed by Cotto so Im not sure where you get off in saying Cotto doesnt have fast hands and cant counter, no one was saying that before Pacquiao dismantled him. The ONLY thing that Cotto has ever lacked in is a solid chin. You didn't mention Clottey, who threw every bit as much as mosley did against Mayweather. I honestly don't remember Mosley throwing one meaningful shot after the second round. No one ever mentions Pac's fights with Morrales, Barrera, or JMM? JMM simply had no business being at Welterweight. In their respectable weight classes, pound for pound those three are better than an aged mosely, aged DLH and so on. I really don't know why you even brought DLH and Hatton into the topic. In case you forgot Floyd had a split decision win over Oscar who Pac TKO'ed. In case you forgot it took Floyd 10 rounds to knock Hatton out while it took Pac 2! Im not sure where your going with this? On top of every other bit of nonsense in this post, you think Mayweather KO's Pacquiao? In case you havn't noticed Pac doesn't get hit alot and when he does he simply throws his arms out horizontally as if to say, "is that all you got"? If an aged Mosely can tag Mayweather like he did in the second, then he's got a heck of a chance of being dropped by Manny. Honestly, everyone knows that if Pacquiao was in the ring in that second round he would have followed up that shot with about 20 more, and I can honestly say that even with Floyds unblemished record i wouldn't be suprised to see him be KO'ed. Pac has a killers instinct and theres no way he'll let Floyd recover his feet if and when he lands that big shot!;)

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Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan

If an aged Mosely can tag Mayweather like he did in the second, then he's got a heck of a chance of being dropped by Manny.

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blah blah blah. anybody can get tagged, and power doesn't diminish particularly with age as do speed and endurance.

Does Manny hit as hard as Mosely?

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Originally Posted by NuthaPug

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Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan

If an aged Mosely can tag Mayweather like he did in the second, then he's got a heck of a chance of being dropped by Manny.

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blah blah blah. anybody can get tagged, and power doesn't diminish particularly with age as do speed and endurance.

Does Manny hit as hard as Mosely?

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"anybody can get tagged" ............. I agree

"power doesn't diminish particularly with age as do speed and endurance" ............ I disagree

"Does Manny hit as hard as Mosely?"
I would say the present Manny probably hits harder when compared with the 38 year old Mosley who had not fought in 15 months. I could not tell if compared with the young Mosley or the Mosley that battered Margarito.
But there is one way to find out, let Manny face the same target (Floyd) and let's see how hard he truly hits.

PBF is the best boxer period. Manny has a punchers chance though and sometimes that is enough to turn the table.

He is more then ready for PBF and has 1 helluva trainer to get him ready for battle. I just hope this fight happens. And if it does, the good big man will beat the good small man any day.

Yes Pacquiao hits harder than Mosley, just ask Cotto! Does Mayweather being slightly taller really mean much in this fight? I don't think so. Mayweather will not be the aggressor in this fight and I just don't think he will be able to keep up with the output of Pac to win by decision. I'm confident Manny can take Floyds hardest shot, I cant say the same vice versa!

The other question that can be asked is: Who hits harder, Cotto or Mayweather? If you believe it's Cotto, then Floyd will be in a lot of trouble.

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Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner

The other question that can be asked is: Who hits harder, Cotto or Mayweather? If you believe it's Cotto, then Floyd will be in a lot of trouble.

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Because as we all know, punching power dictates who will win the fight. ;)

I like the logic here. :confused:

Mayweather, who has yet to lose a fight, could be in big trouble if he doesnt hit as hard as Cotto. Good stuff.

Relentless attacks from a quick power punching southpaw is the key to beat Floyd. Non-stop aggression baby. Pac has all the tools to beat him. ;)

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Originally Posted by ninjaspy3

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Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner

The other question that can be asked is: Who hits harder, Cotto or Mayweather? If you believe it's Cotto, then Floyd will be in a lot of trouble.

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Because as we all know, punching power dictates who will win the fight. ;)

I like the logic here. :confused:

Mayweather, who has yet to lose a fight, could be in big trouble if he doesnt hit as hard as Cotto. Good stuff.

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Did I say in my post that Manny will win the fight if Mayweather does not hit harder than Cotto? Read again. I did not see the logic in your response.

Manny can definitely hurt Floyd and if Floyd can not hurt Manny, then he will be in a lot of trouble.

Someone's face can be busted and yet wins the fight.

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Originally Posted by NuthaPug

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

Well for sure these will be the excuses when 1 of them loses.

For Manny's supporters: Too small and jumping up too much in weight
For Floyd's supporters: Too old and ring rust

I'm sure these will be the excuses.

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No one has ever had to make excuses for Floyd yet.

if he gets beat, he gets beat. No excuses needed.

it's the others who always need excuses against Floyd.

But if Mayweather and Pac get in the ring together within the next year, neither of them should look for any excuses. One of them will lose, because the other will win. Pure and simple.

Of course, if Manny loses to Floyd, Miles will surely be looking for some kind of excuse. But most of the boxing world will simply recognize that Floyd's a better boxer.

i don't know who will win that fight; I haven't seen Manny in the ring nearly as much as i've seen Floyd, so I don't have a feel for him. I hope he brings Floyd his greatest challenge yet, because if he does, we'll see an incredible fight. we don't know how good Floyd can be. The better his opponent, the closer we come to finding that out.

If Manny brings out the very best in Floyd and still beats him ... well, then, that will be amazing and should qualify for one of the fights of the decade, if not the fight.

That's the kind of fight I want to see Floyd lose - where he was pressed to fight his best - which will be dazzling - and still unable to produce a victory.

Ring rust? Floyd? Is that why he did such a mediocre job against Mosely?

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I don't think there will be room for any excuses in this one. Both fighters are in their early 30's and looking strong in all of their recent fights. I will most likely just accept that the better man won.

If you are looking at the Mayweather/Mosley fight and think I am only making excuses, I expressed the same concerns before the fight as I did after. Mosley was old and extremely inactive. Those are the facts. Mayweather fans might not want to hear that as they bask in their glory, but I will always tell it how I see it.

Manny/Floyd is a pick 'em for me, but I prefer the style of Manny so will be cheering him on (if he takes the blood tests). But seeing as I am not a known supporter of either fighter I will be able to sit back somewhat and just enjoy the fight for what it is.

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Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner

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Originally Posted by ninjaspy3

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Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner

The other question that can be asked is: Who hits harder, Cotto or Mayweather? If you believe it's Cotto, then Floyd will be in a lot of trouble.

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Because as we all know, punching power dictates who will win the fight. ;)

I like the logic here. :confused:

Mayweather, who has yet to lose a fight, could be in big trouble if he doesnt hit as hard as Cotto. Good stuff.

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Did I say in my post that Manny will win the fight if Mayweather does not hit harder than Cotto? Read again. I did not see the logic in your response.

Manny can definitely hurt Floyd and if Floyd can not hurt Manny, then he will be in a lot of trouble.

Someone's face can be busted and yet wins the fight.

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You are basing the first part of that thought on your oppinion. It is not yet proven that Manny can hurt Floyd. And your name (InTheNeutralCorner) I find to be a bit misleading, as it seems to suggest you bring a neutral point of view when in reality you are clearly a Pac fan since a long time ago. ;) Which isnt a problem... just that you arent neutral.

Manny can hurt Floyd and Floyd can hurt Manny.

Anyone can get hurt or stun in combat sports, that shit ain't an opinion but fact.

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Originally Posted by Pavlik

PBF is the best boxer period. Manny has a punchers chance though and sometimes that is enough to turn the table.

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sometimes its not enough, but its been working for pac so far! :)

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

Manny can hurt Floyd and Floyd can hurt Manny.

Anyone can get hurt or stun in combat sports, that shit ain't an opinion but fact.

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Well, then I suppose it's settled. They can both hurt each other, therefore as InTheNeutralCorner stated, Floyd should not be in big trouble.