Re: Khan beating Prescott won't prove anything about his chin imo. Kats is better ch
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What questions miles?
You still haven't realised Khan has a china chin?
So Prescott is a puncher, right? Khan beats him that proves he can beat punchers?
Bradley only has 11 stoppage wins to his name. He's not a big puncher. If Khan fights him I supppose it's more proof he's ducking punchers? ;D
Maybe he does have a china chin, but that's not all I am thinking about.
If your chin isn't the strongest and you really want to show that you are something then you should challenge yourself. Khan has been crafty with the matchmaking thus far, bar Prescott.
The Prescott point is a simple one like I've said before. It avenges a loss and fixes a short term need for an opponent. Nothing less, nothing more.
A Bradley fight would be far more desirable. I like Bradley a lot and though he doesn't have many knockouts, I think he can punch. I wouldn't deny that as a good matchup, of course I prefer that over Prescott.
That's nonsesne.
So Prescott is better than Barrera, Kotelnik and Powderpuff?
Khan has stepped up to world class since his defeat and shown a massive improvement. That's why he is currently rated the 3rd best 140lber in the world.
I don't see why that is nonsense. Everyone is knocking you for something then you should want to prove them wrong, it's human nature. The matchmaking has been superb and that is undeniable.
Barrera wasn't beaten so let's subtract that one.
Now Kotelnik and Paulie are the two weakest punchers in the division. You can say that he has stepped up, but I will cynically suggest that he has been matched up. He hasn't faced an opponent who can tickle him let alone challenge him. 3rd best fighter at 140? Off of Kotelnik and a Paulie who has had 1 fight at 140 since Hatton? No, I don't buy into it at all.
Name who is better at 140?
Re: Khan beating Prescott won't prove anything about his chin imo. Kats is better ch
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What questions miles?
You still haven't realised Khan has a china chin?
So Prescott is a puncher, right? Khan beats him that proves he can beat punchers?
Bradley only has 11 stoppage wins to his name. He's not a big puncher. If Khan fights him I supppose it's more proof he's ducking punchers? ;D
Maybe he does have a china chin, but that's not all I am thinking about.
If your chin isn't the strongest and you really want to show that you are something then you should challenge yourself. Khan has been crafty with the matchmaking thus far, bar Prescott.
The Prescott point is a simple one like I've said before. It avenges a loss and fixes a short term need for an opponent. Nothing less, nothing more.
A Bradley fight would be far more desirable. I like Bradley a lot and though he doesn't have many knockouts, I think he can punch. I wouldn't deny that as a good matchup, of course I prefer that over Prescott.
That's nonsesne.
So Prescott is better than Barrera, Kotelnik and Powderpuff?
Khan has stepped up to world class since his defeat and shown a massive improvement. That's why he is currently rated the 3rd best 140lber in the world.
I don't see why that is nonsense. Everyone is knocking you for something then you should want to prove them wrong, it's human nature. The matchmaking has been superb and that is undeniable.
Barrera wasn't beaten so let's subtract that one.
Now Kotelnik and Paulie are the two weakest punchers in the division. You can say that he has stepped up, but I will cynically suggest that he has been matched up. He hasn't faced an opponent who can tickle him let alone challenge him. 3rd best fighter at 140? Off of Kotelnik and a Paulie who has had 1 fight at 140 since Hatton? No, I don't buy into it at all.
Name who is better at 140?
Fenster, you are so forthright and demanding. I give you perfectly valid opinions and you tell me I am talking nonsense and now I am being ordered to produce a list. I want Khan to face the same opponents as others do:
Bradley
Maidana
Ortiz
Urango
Alexander
Each of these guys can either box, punch or even do a bit of both. If none can be fit in then Prescott will do. Katisidis will do fine too, but he isn't a 140'er. But Khan should face a puncher and that's the point that will be made until he does so.
Re: Khan beating Prescott won't prove anything about his chin imo. Kats is better ch
I would personally prefer Khan rematching Prescott than fighting Katsidis.
With Katsidis, he fights a really tough relentless pressure fighter with good power. Katsidis is a threat even if he is from a weight class below.
Now Prescott isn't the threat that Katsidis is, but he has a win over Khan plus we all know he can test Khan's chin.
Khan winning over Prescott would be great for him. He would have the chance to erase the one loss of his career, a shocking one might i add. he has to take it.
It's not like Khan would just own Prescott if they were to fight again. Khan has improved since then, and Prescott has been beat but the guys that beat him had to take his shots to win. Khan would have to also.
Re: Khan beating Prescott won't prove anything about his chin imo. Kats is better ch
I say Tim Bradley would test his chin more. Because Katsidis may hit Khan once or twice but Khan wouldn't allow it to happen too often, Timothy has a much more intelligent kind of offense and puts more pressure behind it and isn't too easy to hit himself. Much sterner test for Khan imo.
Re: Khan beating Prescott won't prove anything about his chin imo. Kats is better ch
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Fenster
What questions miles?
You still haven't realised Khan has a china chin?
So Prescott is a puncher, right? Khan beats him that proves he can beat punchers?
Bradley only has 11 stoppage wins to his name. He's not a big puncher. If Khan fights him I supppose it's more proof he's ducking punchers? ;D
Maybe he does have a china chin, but that's not all I am thinking about.
If your chin isn't the strongest and you really want to show that you are something then you should challenge yourself. Khan has been crafty with the matchmaking thus far, bar Prescott.
The Prescott point is a simple one like I've said before. It avenges a loss and fixes a short term need for an opponent. Nothing less, nothing more.
A Bradley fight would be far more desirable. I like Bradley a lot and though he doesn't have many knockouts, I think he can punch. I wouldn't deny that as a good matchup, of course I prefer that over Prescott.
That's nonsesne.
So Prescott is better than Barrera, Kotelnik and Powderpuff?
Khan has stepped up to world class since his defeat and shown a massive improvement. That's why he is currently rated the 3rd best 140lber in the world.
I don't see why that is nonsense. Everyone is knocking you for something then you should want to prove them wrong, it's human nature. The matchmaking has been superb and that is undeniable.
Barrera wasn't beaten so let's subtract that one.
Now Kotelnik and Paulie are the two weakest punchers in the division. You can say that he has stepped up, but I will cynically suggest that he has been matched up. He hasn't faced an opponent who can tickle him let alone challenge him. 3rd best fighter at 140? Off of Kotelnik and a Paulie who has had 1 fight at 140 since Hatton? No, I don't buy into it at all.
Name who is better at 140?
Fenster, you are so forthright and demanding. I give you perfectly valid opinions and you tell me I am talking nonsense and now I am being ordered to produce a list. I want Khan to face the same opponents as others do:
Bradley
Maidana
Ortiz
Urango
Alexander
Each of these guys can either box, punch or even do a bit of both. If none can be fit in then Prescott will do. Katisidis will do fine too, but he isn't a 140'er. But Khan should face a puncher and that's the point that will be made until he does so.
This is the reason your argument about Khan not stepping up since Prescott is nonsense.
Kotelnik beat Maidana. Maidana beat Ortiz. Khan beat Kotelnik. So Khan already has a formline that puts him above two of your guys, which obviously makes him one of the best at 140.
Of course any fight with those guys would be great. The best fighting the best. But should Khan not fight any of those next, or Prescott, your gonna slag him, right? ;D
Re: Khan beating Prescott won't prove anything about his chin imo. Kats is better ch
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Fenster
What questions miles?
You still haven't realised Khan has a china chin?
So Prescott is a puncher, right? Khan beats him that proves he can beat punchers?
Bradley only has 11 stoppage wins to his name. He's not a big puncher. If Khan fights him I supppose it's more proof he's ducking punchers? ;D
Maybe he does have a china chin, but that's not all I am thinking about.
If your chin isn't the strongest and you really want to show that you are something then you should challenge yourself. Khan has been crafty with the matchmaking thus far, bar Prescott.
The Prescott point is a simple one like I've said before. It avenges a loss and fixes a short term need for an opponent. Nothing less, nothing more.
A Bradley fight would be far more desirable. I like Bradley a lot and though he doesn't have many knockouts, I think he can punch. I wouldn't deny that as a good matchup, of course I prefer that over Prescott.
That's nonsesne.
So Prescott is better than Barrera, Kotelnik and Powderpuff?
Khan has stepped up to world class since his defeat and shown a massive improvement. That's why he is currently rated the 3rd best 140lber in the world.
I don't see why that is nonsense. Everyone is knocking you for something then you should want to prove them wrong, it's human nature. The matchmaking has been superb and that is undeniable.
Barrera wasn't beaten so let's subtract that one.
Now Kotelnik and Paulie are the two weakest punchers in the division. You can say that he has stepped up, but I will cynically suggest that he has been matched up. He hasn't faced an opponent who can tickle him let alone challenge him. 3rd best fighter at 140? Off of Kotelnik and a Paulie who has had 1 fight at 140 since Hatton? No, I don't buy into it at all.
Name who is better at 140?
Fenster, you are so forthright and demanding. I give you perfectly valid opinions and you tell me I am talking nonsense and now I am being ordered to produce a list. I want Khan to face the same opponents as others do:
Bradley
Maidana
Ortiz
Urango
Alexander
Each of these guys can either box, punch or even do a bit of both. If none can be fit in then Prescott will do. Katisidis will do fine too, but he isn't a 140'er. But Khan should face a puncher and that's the point that will be made until he does so.
Are you saying all of those guys are better??
The only ones you could definitively argue are Bradley and Alexander. Is Urango really better?? Let me guess if Khan beat Urango he'd get shit for picking on Alexander's leftovers. Same if he fights Ortiz now, he'd get stick for not fighting Maidana, who of course would be one-dimensional if he beat him.
I really am starting to think Khan may have pound for pound potential, not based on what he's done in the ring, but on the fact that only Mayweather & Pacquaio get their acheivements so ludicrously downgraded.
Re: Khan beating Prescott won't prove anything about his chin imo. Kats is better ch
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miles
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Fenster
What questions miles?
You still haven't realised Khan has a china chin?
So Prescott is a puncher, right? Khan beats him that proves he can beat punchers?
Bradley only has 11 stoppage wins to his name. He's not a big puncher. If Khan fights him I supppose it's more proof he's ducking punchers? ;D
Maybe he does have a china chin, but that's not all I am thinking about.
If your chin isn't the strongest and you really want to show that you are something then you should challenge yourself. Khan has been crafty with the matchmaking thus far, bar Prescott.
The Prescott point is a simple one like I've said before. It avenges a loss and fixes a short term need for an opponent. Nothing less, nothing more.
A Bradley fight would be far more desirable. I like Bradley a lot and though he doesn't have many knockouts, I think he can punch. I wouldn't deny that as a good matchup, of course I prefer that over Prescott.
That's nonsesne.
So Prescott is better than Barrera, Kotelnik and Powderpuff?
Khan has stepped up to world class since his defeat and shown a massive improvement. That's why he is currently rated the 3rd best 140lber in the world.
I don't see why that is nonsense. Everyone is knocking you for something then you should want to prove them wrong, it's human nature. The matchmaking has been superb and that is undeniable.
Barrera wasn't beaten so let's subtract that one.
Now Kotelnik and Paulie are the two weakest punchers in the division. You can say that he has stepped up, but I will cynically suggest that he has been matched up. He hasn't faced an opponent who can tickle him let alone challenge him. 3rd best fighter at 140? Off of Kotelnik and a Paulie who has had 1 fight at 140 since Hatton? No, I don't buy into it at all.
Name who is better at 140?
Fenster, you are so forthright and demanding. I give you perfectly valid opinions and you tell me I am talking nonsense and now I am being ordered to produce a list. I want Khan to face the same opponents as others do:
Bradley
Maidana
Ortiz
Urango
Alexander
Each of these guys can either box, punch or even do a bit of both. If none can be fit in then Prescott will do. Katisidis will do fine too, but he isn't a 140'er. But Khan should face a puncher and that's the point that will be made until he does so.
Are you saying all of those guys are better??
The only ones you could definitively argue are Bradley and Alexander. Is Urango really better?? Let me guess if Khan beat Urango he'd get shit for picking on Alexander's leftovers. Same if he fights Ortiz now, he'd get stick for not fighting Maidana, who of course would be one-dimensional if he beat him.
I really am starting to think Khan may have pound for pound potential, not based on what he's done in the ring, but on the fact that only Mayweather & Pacquaio get their acheivements so ludicrously downgraded.
I would never say they are better unless Khan defeated them, but in there you have an array of punchers and boxers who will check that chin. Urango would be a move beyond Paulie as he has a punch and arguably gave Hatton more trouble than Paulie did.
But I refuse to rate Khan all that highly on the back of what he has done. I think it is very clever how they have played it, and I will be very surprised to see them go head deep into the division. I'll be impressed if they do, but I doubt it.
Re: Khan beating Prescott won't prove anything about his chin imo. Kats is better ch
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miles
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Fenster
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miles
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Fenster
What questions miles?
You still haven't realised Khan has a china chin?
So Prescott is a puncher, right? Khan beats him that proves he can beat punchers?
Bradley only has 11 stoppage wins to his name. He's not a big puncher. If Khan fights him I supppose it's more proof he's ducking punchers? ;D
Maybe he does have a china chin, but that's not all I am thinking about.
If your chin isn't the strongest and you really want to show that you are something then you should challenge yourself. Khan has been crafty with the matchmaking thus far, bar Prescott.
The Prescott point is a simple one like I've said before. It avenges a loss and fixes a short term need for an opponent. Nothing less, nothing more.
A Bradley fight would be far more desirable. I like Bradley a lot and though he doesn't have many knockouts, I think he can punch. I wouldn't deny that as a good matchup, of course I prefer that over Prescott.
That's nonsesne.
So Prescott is better than Barrera, Kotelnik and Powderpuff?
Khan has stepped up to world class since his defeat and shown a massive improvement. That's why he is currently rated the 3rd best 140lber in the world.
I don't see why that is nonsense. Everyone is knocking you for something then you should want to prove them wrong, it's human nature. The matchmaking has been superb and that is undeniable.
Barrera wasn't beaten so let's subtract that one.
Now Kotelnik and Paulie are the two weakest punchers in the division. You can say that he has stepped up, but I will cynically suggest that he has been matched up. He hasn't faced an opponent who can tickle him let alone challenge him. 3rd best fighter at 140? Off of Kotelnik and a Paulie who has had 1 fight at 140 since Hatton? No, I don't buy into it at all.
Name who is better at 140?
Fenster, you are so forthright and demanding. I give you perfectly valid opinions and you tell me I am talking nonsense and now I am being ordered to produce a list. I want Khan to face the same opponents as others do:
Bradley
Maidana
Ortiz
Urango
Alexander
Each of these guys can either box, punch or even do a bit of both. If none can be fit in then Prescott will do. Katisidis will do fine too, but he isn't a 140'er. But Khan should face a puncher and that's the point that will be made until he does so.
This is the reason your argument about Khan not stepping up since Prescott is nonsense.
Kotelnik beat Maidana. Maidana beat Ortiz. Khan beat Kotelnik. So Khan already has a formline that puts him above two of your guys, which obviously makes him one of the best at 140.
Of course any fight with those guys would be great. The best fighting the best. But should Khan not fight any of those next, or Prescott, your gonna slag him, right? ;D
You can look at it that way, but styles makes fights, Fenster. When one of those fighters has a weak chin it changes the whole pattern. Ortiz has a questionable heart too IMO.
But there is no reason for Khan not to face any of the fighters I have listed.
As for the whole slag him off argument, you have been on that point a fair while now and I have explained myself already. You know we are not going to agree, so there is no need to draw me in. If Khan can prove himself a chinworthy champ then all is good, but if not then I was right. The argument is as simple as that.
Re: Khan beating Prescott won't prove anything about his chin imo. Kats is better ch
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I would never say they are better unless Khan defeated them, but in there you have an array of punchers and boxers who will check that chin. Urango would be a move beyond Paulie as he has a punch and arguably gave Hatton more trouble than Paulie did.
But I refuse to rate Khan all that highly on the back of what he has done. I think it is very clever how they have played it, and I will be very surprised to see them go head deep into the division. I'll be impressed if they do, but I doubt it.
Paulie is a better fighter than Urango. Also if Khan fought and beat Urango, can you honestly say you wouldn't just say 'well he was fighting Alexander's sloppy seconds'?
He's said he wants to fight Maidana next, very clearly at the end of the last fight. What more would you want from him?
Btw, what's your take on the fact that Paulie said that Khan is a better fighter than Hatton, and as good as Cotto?
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I would never say they are better unless Khan defeated them, but in there you have an array of punchers and boxers who will check that chin. Urango would be a move beyond Paulie as he has a punch and arguably gave Hatton more trouble than Paulie did.
But I refuse to rate Khan all that highly on the back of what he has done. I think it is very clever how they have played it, and I will be very surprised to see them go head deep into the division. I'll be impressed if they do, but I doubt it.
Paulie is a better fighter than Urango. Also if Khan fought and beat Urango, can you honestly say you wouldn't just say 'well he was fighting Alexander's sloppy seconds'?
He's said he wants to fight Maidana next, very clearly at the end of the last fight. What more would you want from him?
Btw, what's your take on the fact that Paulie said that Khan is a better fighter than Hatton, and as good as Cotto?
Paulie is a better boxer than Urango, but would he get through 12 rounds with him? We don't know. Paulie spent a year underweight with Diaz.
You know, I'm getting tired of repeating myself. I've said this elsewhere, I was impressed with Khans post fight interview! It's one of the reasons I haven't been all that harsh on him since. I think there is clever match making going on, but those words sounded alright to me! If he follows through then all the props too him just like I said earlier in this thread. Fenster has been baiting me, but I made my points clear earlier on.
As for Paulie's opinions. Khan throws more combo's but Hatton stalks and hits you. I suppose Paulie prefers the combos. Hatton hurt him a LOT more though, whence the dull fight we got. Paulie just doesn't like it.
