Cotto's Options

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu apprentice

Angulo is crap....I haven't seen a guy so overhyped without really having any potential since Panchito Bojado.

Miguel Cotto wouldn't just stop Angulo, he'd outbox him AND make it look easy.

Unlike Margarito #1 Angulo's wraps won't be loaded and #2 He throws fewer and slower punches VERY simple to counter but you have to move your head and legs and the guys he has fought (bar the former Manny Steward charge Kermit Cintron) no one has either had the skill to do that or even tried to do anything other than fight Angulo's fight.

The reason Cotto will STOP Angulo when Cintron couldn't is easily answered LEFT HOOK TO THE BODY

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Martinez and Dzinziruk would easily outbox him and Berto, Angulo and Williams would knock him out. Lyle, I've agreed with some of your calls in the past, but if a Cotto v. Angulo fight happens, let's do a sig bet. I bet Angulo knocks him out.

And either way, it would be a great fight. I just think that as good as Cotto may have looked last Saturday, his chin, his mettle, was never tested by Foreman because Foreman is a light puncher. To me, he still is fragile. A puncher will test his will, his resolve. Moreover, I think Cotto now cuts easily and if tagged enough, he'll cut, and Foreman's leg went out before he could cut Cotto.

Cotto's best bet for a win would be to fight the winner of the Chavez Jr./Duddy fight.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu apprentice

Angulo is crap....I haven't seen a guy so overhyped without really having any potential since Panchito Bojado.

Miguel Cotto wouldn't just stop Angulo, he'd outbox him AND make it look easy.

Unlike Margarito #1 Angulo's wraps won't be loaded and #2 He throws fewer and slower punches VERY simple to counter but you have to move your head and legs and the guys he has fought (bar the former Manny Steward charge Kermit Cintron) no one has either had the skill to do that or even tried to do anything other than fight Angulo's fight.

The reason Cotto will STOP Angulo when Cintron couldn't is easily answered LEFT HOOK TO THE BODY

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Martinez and Dzinziruk would easily outbox him and Berto, Angulo and Williams would knock him out. Lyle, I've agreed with some of your calls in the past, but if a Cotto v. Angulo fight happens, let's do a sig bet. I bet Angulo knocks him out.

And either way, it would be a great fight. I just think that as good as Cotto may have looked last Saturday, his chin, his mettle, was never tested by Foreman because Foreman is a light puncher. To me, he still is fragile. A puncher will test his will, his resolve. Moreover, I think Cotto now cuts easily and if tagged enough, he'll cut, and Foreman's leg went out before he could cut Cotto.

Cotto's best bet for a win would be to fight the winner of the Chavez Jr./Duddy fight.

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The veteran Cotto would KO the amateurish Berto. That's not even a question. Angulo would lose to him also. And yes, Martinez and Williams are too big at 154 for Cotto. Cotto would likely lose to both. And please... don't insult Cotto by suggesting he waste his time with Chavez Jr. That is ludicruous, to say nothing of suicidal. Junior has never fought anybody worthy of note. He's a coddled son of a past star. He's not worthy to be in the same ring as Cotto.

People are underestimating Cotto already. None of those 154 top guns/elites are immune to liver shots.

Cotto should take some lesser fights and let Manny keep rebuilding the flaws that have gotten him in trouble...Manny is great at that...Look what he did for Wlad and Lennox.....He does not change much just a little tweak here and there and he brings out what the fighter knows already but for some reason does not incorporate it often enough.....2 or 3 fights and Cotto will be ready to bang with the big boys again

What I had hoped for was a Cotto win over Foreman but I had doubts he could overcome Foreman's movement. It's a good win for Cotto. A great confidence builder.

A more natural step would be for Cotto to rematch Margarito. Defeating Margarito would set him straight and I'd much rather see him face Pacquiao after healing with a Margarito win.

A win over Cintron is better than a straight away rematch with Pacquiao and it could also get him right enough to defeat Pacquiao, but even at 154 Pacquiao beats Cotto again if his head is not in the right place. Just having a real corner man is not enough.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu apprentice

Angulo is crap....I haven't seen a guy so overhyped without really having any potential since Panchito Bojado.

Miguel Cotto wouldn't just stop Angulo, he'd outbox him AND make it look easy.

Unlike Margarito #1 Angulo's wraps won't be loaded and #2 He throws fewer and slower punches VERY simple to counter but you have to move your head and legs and the guys he has fought (bar the former Manny Steward charge Kermit Cintron) no one has either had the skill to do that or even tried to do anything other than fight Angulo's fight.

The reason Cotto will STOP Angulo when Cintron couldn't is easily answered LEFT HOOK TO THE BODY

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Martinez and Dzinziruk would easily outbox him and Berto, Angulo and Williams would knock him out. Lyle, I've agreed with some of your calls in the past, but if a Cotto v. Angulo fight happens, let's do a sig bet. I bet Angulo knocks him out.

And either way, it would be a great fight. I just think that as good as Cotto may have looked last Saturday, his chin, his mettle, was never tested by Foreman because Foreman is a light puncher. To me, he still is fragile. A puncher will test his will, his resolve. Moreover, I think Cotto now cuts easily and if tagged enough, he'll cut, and Foreman's leg went out before he could cut Cotto.

Cotto's best bet for a win would be to fight the winner of the Chavez Jr./Duddy fight.

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The veteran Cotto would KO the amateurish Berto. That's not even a question. Angulo would lose to him also. And yes, Martinez and Williams are too big at 154 for Cotto. Cotto would likely lose to both. And please... don't insult Cotto by suggesting he waste his time with Chavez Jr. That is ludicruous, to say nothing of suicidal. Junior has never fought anybody worthy of note. He's a coddled son of a past star. He's not worthy to be in the same ring as Cotto.

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Great. So, let's do a sig bet. I don't buy that Cotto would KO Berto or Angulo. Cotto has not proved to me that he isn't fragile. And Foreman has good punching speed but Berto is even faster with his punches. I want to see how Cotto's chin holds up when he is hit by a big punching boxer at 147 or 154.

I was only suggesting Chavez Jr. because it would be a big pay day.

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Originally Posted by gest12645

Good Fights for Cotto:


Mosley - A rematch against Mosley would be exciting to me . This time at 154 and we would see how much they both have left. Two legends that would be fighting for their careers . Could be good


Average fights

Paul Wiilliams - A win over Paul would be huge for Cotto but it would be a risky fight. Williams would probably win but Cotto has a big chance and its a high reward fight.

Kermit Cintron - Cotto should win , but Cintron is a dangerous puncher . However, after the incident in the Paul Williams fight, who wants to see Cotto vs Cinton?

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All these guys beat Cotto at 154.

I love Cotto and he looked great Saturday... But great against a guy who quite literally was shocked by his power early on. Cotto's legs looked good but any of the above guys beat Cotto at that weight...

Yes, even Mosley. His win against Mosley was his peak and he looked great doing it. Their second fight at Jr. Middle would be quite different IMHO.


Williams simply KOs Cotto by sheer accumulation punching.

Cintron's power hurts Cotto IMO. Too big, too strong and Cintron can box. Over the course Cintron will deal more damage and slow Cotto down.

These are all just my opinions, mind you all.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Martinez and Dzinziruk would easily outbox him and Berto, Angulo and Williams would knock him out. Lyle, I've agreed with some of your calls in the past, but if a Cotto v. Angulo fight happens, let's do a sig bet. I bet Angulo knocks him out.

And either way, it would be a great fight. I just think that as good as Cotto may have looked last Saturday, his chin, his mettle, was never tested by Foreman because Foreman is a light puncher. To me, he still is fragile. A puncher will test his will, his resolve. Moreover, I think Cotto now cuts easily and if tagged enough, he'll cut, and Foreman's leg went out before he could cut Cotto.

Cotto's best bet for a win would be to fight the winner of the Chavez Jr./Duddy fight.

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I have NEVER been impressed with Angulo....to me he's a poor man's Fernando Vargas.

There's not 1 single boxing SKILL he has unless you count power as a "skill"...Angulo doesn't have good defense, he's not a solid boxer, he's just a bulldozer and I think as Miguel learns to stick and move a little better he'd be able to beat Angulo to a pulp.

If Cotto rematches Shane he'll still win because Shane is 1 punch at a time, he gets frustrated by a good jab, and Miguel hurt Shane last time what's different now?

Andre Berto is untested vs a fighter like Miguel, I like Berto but I doubt he has the focus to avoid getting rocked and once he's hurt Miguel would punish him.

Paul Williams is an interesting match, Martinez and Cintron hurt PW and we all know PW has a decent chin but what about his body? PW's not really know for his defense either, I think that is a toss up fight. Mind you Miguel hasn't really had much trouble vs southpaws.

Cintron has the style to beat pretty much anyone but he lacks heart, focus, and dedication....I think Miguel has enough heart to take Cintron to war and in a war MIGUEL WINS EVERY TIME and I doubt anyone disagrees with that. Cintron is ALWAYS looking for a way out...look how he acted vs Martinez when Sergio knocked him down legally, Cintron cried and said it was a headbutt

I'll sig bet on Miguel vs Angulo, Shane, Berto, and Cintron....I won't do it for Williams because I like both guys and it's just a toss up fight in my mind.

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Originally Posted by Master

I would to see Cotto avenge his defeat to marg, but do not want to see Marg be rewarded in any way, shape or form.

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That is exactly how I feel.

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu apprentice

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Martinez and Dzinziruk would easily outbox him and Berto, Angulo and Williams would knock him out. Lyle, I've agreed with some of your calls in the past, but if a Cotto v. Angulo fight happens, let's do a sig bet. I bet Angulo knocks him out.

And either way, it would be a great fight. I just think that as good as Cotto may have looked last Saturday, his chin, his mettle, was never tested by Foreman because Foreman is a light puncher. To me, he still is fragile. A puncher will test his will, his resolve. Moreover, I think Cotto now cuts easily and if tagged enough, he'll cut, and Foreman's leg went out before he could cut Cotto.

Cotto's best bet for a win would be to fight the winner of the Chavez Jr./Duddy fight.

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I have NEVER been impressed with Angulo....to me he's a poor man's Fernando Vargas.

There's not 1 single boxing SKILL he has unless you count power as a "skill"...Angulo doesn't have good defense, he's not a solid boxer, he's just a bulldozer and I think as Miguel learns to stick and move a little better he'd be able to beat Angulo to a pulp.

If Cotto rematches Shane he'll still win because Shane is 1 punch at a time, he gets frustrated by a good jab, and Miguel hurt Shane last time what's different now?

Andre Berto is untested vs a fighter like Miguel, I like Berto but I doubt he has the focus to avoid getting rocked and once he's hurt Miguel would punish him.

Paul Williams is an interesting match, Martinez and Cintron hurt PW and we all know PW has a decent chin but what about his body? PW's not really know for his defense either, I think that is a toss up fight. Mind you Miguel hasn't really had much trouble vs southpaws.

Cintron has the style to beat pretty much anyone but he lacks heart, focus, and dedication....I think Miguel has enough heart to take Cintron to war and in a war MIGUEL WINS EVERY TIME and I doubt anyone disagrees with that. Cintron is ALWAYS looking for a way out...look how he acted vs Martinez when Sergio knocked him down legally, Cintron cried and said it was a headbutt

I'll sig bet on Miguel vs Angulo, Shane, Berto, and Cintron....I won't do it for Williams because I like both guys and it's just a toss up fight in my mind.

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I doubt Arum lets Cotto anywhere near Angulo or Berto. Not enough money to make it worth it. But, if it happens, sig bet's on.

I actually very much think he'll match him against the Chavez Jr./Duddy winner.

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu apprentice

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Martinez and Dzinziruk would easily outbox him and Berto, Angulo and Williams would knock him out. Lyle, I've agreed with some of your calls in the past, but if a Cotto v. Angulo fight happens, let's do a sig bet. I bet Angulo knocks him out.

And either way, it would be a great fight. I just think that as good as Cotto may have looked last Saturday, his chin, his mettle, was never tested by Foreman because Foreman is a light puncher. To me, he still is fragile. A puncher will test his will, his resolve. Moreover, I think Cotto now cuts easily and if tagged enough, he'll cut, and Foreman's leg went out before he could cut Cotto.

Cotto's best bet for a win would be to fight the winner of the Chavez Jr./Duddy fight.

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I have NEVER been impressed with Angulo....to me he's a poor man's Fernando Vargas.

There's not 1 single boxing SKILL he has unless you count power as a "skill"...Angulo doesn't have good defense, he's not a solid boxer, he's just a bulldozer and I think as Miguel learns to stick and move a little better he'd be able to beat Angulo to a pulp.

If Cotto rematches Shane he'll still win because Shane is 1 punch at a time, he gets frustrated by a good jab, and Miguel hurt Shane last time what's different now?

Andre Berto is untested vs a fighter like Miguel, I like Berto but I doubt he has the focus to avoid getting rocked and once he's hurt Miguel would punish him.

Paul Williams is an interesting match, Martinez and Cintron hurt PW and we all know PW has a decent chin but what about his body? PW's not really know for his defense either, I think that is a toss up fight. Mind you Miguel hasn't really had much trouble vs southpaws.

Cintron has the style to beat pretty much anyone but he lacks heart, focus, and dedication....I think Miguel has enough heart to take Cintron to war and in a war MIGUEL WINS EVERY TIME and I doubt anyone disagrees with that. Cintron is ALWAYS looking for a way out...look how he acted vs Martinez when Sergio knocked him down legally, Cintron cried and said it was a headbutt

I'll sig bet on Miguel vs Angulo, Shane, Berto, and Cintron....I won't do it for Williams because I like both guys and it's just a toss up fight in my mind.

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If he fights Cintron I'll take that bet.

Agreed about Cintron in that bout he would be the mentally soft one, he has the potential to beat Cotto but he would have to stand up to Cotto's punches which the toughest guy who's punches he walked through before was David Estrada. That would be a step up and while it could turn into something like the Clottey fight for Cotto, could Cintron stand up to 6 or 7 rounds of Cotto landing on him? Don't know he would have to show me something he hasn't before. He comes unglued and Cotto would be the bully imo.

Angulo, I can't believe you think that Rant. I mean I don't even think it's close really, Cotto could outbox him and he could just break him. Joel Julio was doin a pretty good job outboxing that guy! I like Angulo but I would not be sweating that matchup as a Cotto fan.

Berto too, Berto is to raw and just makes way to many amateurish mistakes, doesn't really utilize his physical advantages, etc. I mean maybe if the fight is made in a year or 2 years but right now Berto is the next undefeated to be defeated.

Williams would beat Cotto imo, Sergio Martinez would be a hell of a fight but I'd lean towards Martinez also.

Cotto beats Angulo & Cintron 9 out of 10 times in my book.

Williams & Martinez are tougher...

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Cotto beats Angulo & Cintron 9 out of 10 times in my book.

Williams & Martinez are tougher...

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I guess I'm the only one who thinks that Cotto's mental toughness and chin suffered from the beatings he took at the hands of Margacheato and Pacquiao and that now he is fragile. I don't think he'll be successful against a big puncher like Angulo. Anyway, Angulo needs to get past Alcine before we can talk about a Cotto match.

Julio was on his way to a clear UD before he got caught vs. Angulo...
I believe Cotto is far more superior then Julio in the boxing skills.
I think Cotto is a bit too savy for a fighter like Angulo who's just peaking now.

Angulo reminds me of Margarito come forward fighter strong, solid but can be outboxed.

Cintron truthfully just doesn't have it to beat an elite fighter. He just doesn't IMO.