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Totally agree with that ElTerrible, but I will say the only other guy at 154 that I would be nervous for Cotto to fight is James Kirkland.
But I've read some stuff from Dan Rafael where he said Kirkland and his trainer Anne Wolfe are on bad terms and that may have a negative effect on his career....that and his trouble with the law
Not true. At least not for me. I like any of the other top guys at 154 over Angulo: Dzinziruk, Martinez, Williams, even Spinks although I would pick Angulo over Cintron in a rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Cotto only tired down against Margarito cause of the broken nose, it's not like he has bad stamina, i'm not saying he has Mayweather or Pacquiao like stamina but IMO he'll beat Angulo easily, people are giving him (Angulo) more credit than he actually deservesQuote:
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesfact is Julio was already worn down, if you wanna go by that Mayweather Ko'd Hatton with a one punch KO :rolleyes:, fatigue had already set in when Julio got stoppedQuote:
Originally Posted by blegit
like i said, who of note has Angulo stopped aside from Julio (which Kirkland had already done)?
and back to the main focus of the thread, Cotto is a better technical fighter than both Julio and Cintron, leading to my pick that he'd completely school Angulo, especially when he's completely one dimensional and vastly unproven
I would argue that Cotto would probably get winded and go down in the same way if they fought hence the outcome would be the same. Cotto wont trade with him, he's bigger and will be alot heavier then he is, so he's gonna move around spend energy and then be very susceptible to a KO from being worn out.
Cotto did get hit by some shots that Foreman threw at him and while Cotto took the shot it was coming from one of the lighter hitting fighters in that division, Angulo is on the other end of that spectrum. Lastly Cotto best not tangle with Angulo inside as Angulo throws some big short shots and would ruin Cotto faster that way then if he tried to outbox him before the gas tank runs out.
With Cotto v. Angulo, two things stick out to me. First, in all of his illustrious career, Cotto had the most trouble against a one dimensional, pressure fighter in Margarito. Styles make fights. Granted, over the first 4-5 rounds, he outboxed Margarito, and I can see Cotto outboxing Angulo over the first half of the fight, but Angulo's style is very comparable to Margarito, and I believe that Angulo would own the second half of the fight, just like Margarito did against Cotto.
This brings me to my second point. Cotto's loss to Margarito (which I think being truthful with ourselves we can attribute to Margarito's cheating) took a lot out of him. I honestly believe that. Add on the devestating knockout loss to Pacquiao and Cotto looks a little shopworn. Now take a somewhat shopworn Cotto who had problems with a bigger, pressure fighter in Margarito, and put him in with Angulo who is a true junior middleweight and who actually is bigger and punches harder than Margarito, and to me that spells t-r-o-u-b-l-e for Cotto.
Bottom line: if Cotto couldn't sustain Margarito's pressure when he wasn't somewhat shopworn, how can he sustain Angulo's when he is somewhat shopworn?
El Terrible, if we haven't agreed yet, let's do it now, if this fight happens, Sig Bet all day my man. Put your money where your mouth is. Out of curiousity, how would you feel about a Cotto v. Dzinziruk matchup?
Lastly, let me be clear, I am a big Cotto fan. I think he is a tremendous fighter and I want him to go out like the champion he is. I'd like to see him score a huge pay day against Chavez Jr. if he beats Duddy and then retire.
you're on, and that's assuming Angulo gets by Alcine (which he should), IMO Cotto isn't fading as bad as most make it out, i think it was more a case of confidence and having a good team in his corner (which he now does have)
going back to the Margarito fight, i strongly feel Margarito cheated against Cotto, so i find it highly doubtful that Angulo is going to able to hit harder than a Margarito with bricks in his gloves, nobody has taken Angulo to the body, so a real question is, can Angulo take the type of body shots that Cotto landed on Foreman?
against Dzinziruk i think it'd be a chess match for the most part, IMO Dzinziruk doesn't pack much power but is very technically sound, but again his fight with Santos was pretty damn close and had it not been for the KD i think it would have been a draw, i rate Cotto (even at this stage) a lot higher than i ever rated Santos, and i could see it playing out to a repeat of Foreman/Cotto, only difference is it goes the distance
Both of the bolded statements are completely possible. I don't agree, but they could be correct. We'll sig bet if the fight happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
So, the only two boxers you think could beat Cotto are Martinez and Williams?
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I can appreciate that you're a big Cotto fan. But again... fighting a Chavez Jr., who has done absolutely NOTHING to warrant a shot at a Cotto, would be a questionable career move for Cotto. However, IF and WHEN that were to happen, I'm pretty sure that Cotto's body shots, superior boxing skills, and warrior mentality will crush Junior and retire him for good.
Hey my friend! How did we ended talking about Chavez Jr. here :confused: Agree, the only thing that Jr. can add to that fight is the last name and a nice KO win for Cotto.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I can appreciate that you're a big Cotto fan. But again... fighting a Chavez Jr., who has done absolutely NOTHING to warrant a shot at a Cotto, would be a questionable career move for Cotto. However, IF and WHEN that were to happen, I'm pretty sure that Cotto's body shots, superior boxing skills, and warrior mentality will crush Junior and retire him for good.
A fight with Angulo would be a very interesting action fight. I guess Cotto will need to use his boxing skills, trying to punch hard early to gain some respect, and be ready for a hell of pressure for 12 rounds. But, I think Cotto should win a decision at the end of the night.
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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I can appreciate that you're a big Cotto fan. But again... fighting a Chavez Jr., who has done absolutely NOTHING to warrant a shot at a Cotto, would be a questionable career move for Cotto. However, IF and WHEN that were to happen, I'm pretty sure that Cotto's body shots, superior boxing skills, and warrior mentality will crush Junior and retire him for good.
But Cotto would make a big pay check on a relatively low risk fight, the Mexico Vs. PR rivalry would be back in full swing and he would make some bucks.
Cotto deserves an easy fight and to make money I feel at this point.
That's exactly my point, Onix. Good call. Cotto hasn't been in an easy fight since Jennings. Pacquiao, Margarito, Clottey, Foreman. Chavez Jr. would be a big money fight and in my opinion relatively low risk.Quote:
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Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I can appreciate that you're a big Cotto fan. But again... fighting a Chavez Jr., who has done absolutely NOTHING to warrant a shot at a Cotto, would be a questionable career move for Cotto. However, IF and WHEN that were to happen, I'm pretty sure that Cotto's body shots, superior boxing skills, and warrior mentality will crush Junior and retire him for good.
But Cotto would make a big pay check on a relatively low risk fight, the Mexico Vs. PR rivalry would be back in full swing and he would make some bucks.
Cotto deserves an easy fight and to make money I feel at this point.
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Originally Posted by RantcatratThat's exactly my point, Onix. Good call. Cotto hasn't been in an easy fight since Jennings. Pacquiao, Margarito, Clottey, Foreman. Chavez Jr. would be a big money fight and in my opinion relatively low risk.Quote:
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Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I can appreciate that you're a big Cotto fan. But again... fighting a Chavez Jr., who has done absolutely NOTHING to warrant a shot at a Cotto, would be a questionable career move for Cotto. However, IF and WHEN that were to happen, I'm pretty sure that Cotto's body shots, superior boxing skills, and warrior mentality will crush Junior and retire him for good.
But Cotto would make a big pay check on a relatively low risk fight, the Mexico Vs. PR rivalry would be back in full swing and he would make some bucks.
Cotto deserves an easy fight and to make money I feel at this point.
All good points... and Cotto DOES deserve a relatively easy fight at this point in time. However, Cotto is no spring chicken, and he doesn't have all the time in the world. He clearly said he wants the big names. I'm not sure Chavez Jr. qualifies in that regard, but if he WERE to fight him, I'd line up some big names for Cotto to close out his magnificent career. I may be in the minority here, but I think a rematch with Pacquiao, with Emanuel now firmly in Cotto's corner, could end up surprising a lot of people.
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Originally Posted by Puerto Rican PunchHey my friend! How did we ended talking about Chavez Jr. here :confused: Agree, the only thing that Jr. can add to that fight is the last name and a nice KO win for Cotto.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I can appreciate that you're a big Cotto fan. But again... fighting a Chavez Jr., who has done absolutely NOTHING to warrant a shot at a Cotto, would be a questionable career move for Cotto. However, IF and WHEN that were to happen, I'm pretty sure that Cotto's body shots, superior boxing skills, and warrior mentality will crush Junior and retire him for good.
A fight with Angulo would be a very interesting action fight. I guess Cotto will need to use his boxing skills, trying to punch hard early to gain some respect, and be ready for a hell of pressure for 12 rounds. But, I think Cotto should win a decision at the end of the night.
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I firmly believe that the new and improved Cotto, with Emanuel Steward calling the shots in his corner, would have an excellent chance of beating Angulo, maybe even by TKO. I'd love to see him fight Berto, also... 'cause I'm not on Berto's bandwagon and I think Cotto's experience, boxing skills, and power would prove too much for Berto to handle. Berto beat a Carlos Quintana who I've never been completely sold on in the first place... and that's about it.