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Even a Toney in his 40's is a far more significant challenge than Audley bloody Harrison. Many would regard Haye/Toney as a fairly decent fight (though against a Toney obviously past his best). Most regard Haye/Harrison as a complete joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
The deal with Toney is he's never been KO'd and Wlad could be the first to do so. Wlad would stop him, I have no doubt about that but Toney would give Wlad some rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesEven a Toney in his 40's is a far more significant challenge than Audley bloody Harrison. Many would regard Haye/Toney as a fairly decent fight (though against a Toney obviously past his best). Most regard Haye/Harrison as a complete joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by El Kabong#1 Wlad wants A fight and right now it's hard for him to find a decent challenger. He's just that good, face it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
#2 What is wrong with Wlad wanting an extra fight and by the way NO FIGHT HAS BEEN SIGNED YET so just be patient HF, it's not like Wlad is going after Audley Harrison
Derek chisora is actually a rather dangerous fight considering he is a complete unknown quantity at world level and has shown domestically he has the heart and quite a bit of skill to back up his shout for a go at the big boys
toney however is a complete shot fighter now who has nothing left in the tank and is merely taking pummelings for cash
Chisora isn't tested vs even fringe contenders, but that "unknown" does make him a little dangerous but no more than Sam Peter, I highly doubt he has Sam's chin though. He throws a wide left hook and seems open for a quick right cross.
I don't care who Wlad fights in December, as I've stated before he and Manny are just working on his style.
This is worse than Haye fighting Harrison.
How?Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Toney is a faded legend of the sport, Harrison is a never was. Even now Toney would toy with Audley Harrison.
I honestly don't think Toney can fight for anything close to 12 rounds whilst remaining competitive. His conditioning is woeful. He's 42 and very fat.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesHow?Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Toney is a faded legend of the sport, Harrison is a never was. Even now Toney would toy with Audley Harrison.
Harrison - Haye has the slight possibility of being slightly competitive. Klitschko vs Toney doesn't. That's how it is worse.
i agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by ono
harrison is going to absolutely massacre haye
audley vs vitali = the only fight in the heavys that makes any sense
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
Theres always an excuse. You don't need to post on this subject anymore.
Wlad wants to make money of bums who are desperate for a payday and don't care what they're contracted into. Thats it. End of story. Done. Get over it.
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Originally Posted by milesEven a Toney in his 40's is a far more significant challenge than Audley bloody Harrison. Many would regard Haye/Toney as a fairly decent fight (though against a Toney obviously past his best). Most regard Haye/Harrison as a complete joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
This topic isn't about haye and harrison (which is a joke). It doesn't need to be mentioned.
The topic is wlad fighting bums.
HF at this point it really doesn't matter who he fights because #1 Wlad is a proven Champion #2 His contenders run away from fighting him and earning a big time pay day (odd for pro boxing) and #3 Face the facts at this point what's the difference between Wlad fighting an established contender and a journeyman these days? Wlad is so dominant right now hell the ONLY competitive fight he could be in is vs Vitali.
Wlad has no choices meanwhile Chicken Little CHOSE Audley Harrison.
Besides your argument is shit anyway HF, you offer no solutions as to whom he should fight in December, its an optional defense and that's when he wants to fight.....your solution?
Lyle, it seems to me that the only fight for Wlad at this point is a fight with Solis. Why doesn't that happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Solis is already scheduled for a fight in Germany pretty soon and I doubt Don King wants that fight for him right now.
Could Wlad not just defend his WBO title and leave the IBF one out of this fight? Old timers like Robinson used to fight regular and not have their titles on the line. Surely the only way they could strip him is if he lost to Toney, which is not going to happen in a million years and never would have either.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I want to see Toney out cold very badly, he's disgraced boxing numerous times with his unwillingness to train and his drugs cheating scandals to supposedly "representing" our sport in MMA and then turning up looking like a Black version of Butterbean. If Roy Jones could hit him the length of a boxing ring in his prime, just imagine what Wlads power would do to him now!!
Exactly, why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuCould Wlad not just defend his WBO title and leave the IBF one out of this fight? Old timers like Robinson used to fight regular and not have their titles on the line. Surely the only way they could strip him is if he lost to Toney, which is not going to happen in a million years and never would have either.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I want to see Toney out cold very badly, he's disgraced boxing numerous times with his unwillingness to train and his drugs cheating scandals to supposedly "representing" our sport in MMA and then turning up looking like a Black version of Butterbean. If Roy Jones could hit him the length of a boxing ring in his prime, just imagine what Wlads power would do to him now!!
It's only the IBF with issues and it's a fight some of us obviously want to see for different reasons. Though I don't think Toney's MMA performance suggests anything whatsoever about boxing. You are almost suggesting that he disgraced boxing, was that because you were one of the more hopeful that Toney could still score a KO? I stayed pretty quiet on the whole Toney MMA front because I was upset that he would do such a thing, but as a boxer, I have far fewer fears.