Re: Jonhson v Green is on super six November 6th
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That has nothing to do with it. Dirrell has fought the guys allotted to him - all among the very best in the world. Johnson was NEVER even part of the super six until this week. He gets the WORST fighter in the comp and should he win goes into the semi's? That is complete and utter bullshit.
Taylor was one of the favourites to win the whole competition, the majority of this forum picked him to beat Abraham. Ward beat Miranda easily whereas Green was beaten easily - stinking the joint out in the process. Dirrell was unbeaten.
Green was a rubbish addition that brought nothing to this comp. The only reason he got in is because Lou Dibella was Taylor's promoter.
The only reason I'm arguing this point is that I have no real interest in seeing Dirrell make it to the semi's. Of course, I'll be the first to agree he should be there if he beats Ward though.
First facts straight, only a KO win gets Johnson or Green into the semi-finals.
Second, Abraham is relying on his 3 points from his KO of the worst fighter entering the tournament to make it to the next round - he actually retired after that fight. I'm sorry I was not among those who thought Taylor would beat Abraham. And to say he was a favorite is ludicrous. Kessler was by far and away the favorite and Abraham was thought to be the runner up. I would venture to say next was Froch and then Ward. Taylor was the weakest link. He was only included for name value. How could he have been the favorite after Froch, a competitor in the tournament, knocked him out previously? That's nonsensical.
Third, what has Dirrell done with his chances to advance? Seriously. Name something...oh wait, I get your point, he actually showed up to those fights. I guess in a weird way that is something.
Fourth, would you rather see Dirrell or Johnson fight Froch/Abraham in the next round?
Fifth, explain to me how Green was a worse inclusion than Dirrell? Because Dirrell was undefeated? Really? Come on, man. There really isn't anything different between Dirrell and Green's resume.
I never said Taylor was THE favourite. I said one of the favourites. That's a fact. Ward and Dirrell were both double figure priced outsiders. That's another fact.
Super Six boxing odds: Carl Froch confident of defeating Andre Dirrell
MANY dismissed Froch's late KO over Taylor as a fluke - hence Taylor starting the competition highly favoured. Fact. MANY on this site had him beating Abraham. Fact.
I don't care if Dirrell has stunk the place out. I don't care if he loses every fight. The fact is he has fought light-years stronger competition than Johnson or Green in the Super Six. So for two replacements to be able to leap frog him in one fight is a complete disgrace. Fact.
That's all subjective and doesn't prove anything. Taylor was a betting favorite and the people on this site favored him? What does that really mean? And you include him as a favorite - but not THE favorite. So, what you're saying is that after Froch, Abraham and Kessler, Taylor was as favorite? How is being the 4th ranked person in a tournament of 6 a favorite of any sort? Maybe I'm missing something...
At the heart of what you're saying is that because Dirrell's showed up to face Froch, Abraham, and Ward, even though he hasn't had one true win, you feel he deserves to progress more than Green and Johnson because they haven't showed up to face all those three.
To me, showing up to fight those three, doesn't mean all that much if in your showings, you didn't do jack and in fact, you stunk the place out. But, I can see your argument in the case of Johnson, who hasn't fought anyone at all. I hear you there. But, Green entered the tournament at a disadvantage and fought the guy in his hometown who most people pick to win it all now, and now faces a guy who is impossible to knock out, and must knockout to advance. If Green knocks Glen Johnson out, a guy Chad Dawson, Tavoris Cloud, Yusaf Mack, couldn't knock out, to me, that merits him making the next round more than Dirrell's horrible showings.
Carl Froch7/4
Mikkel Kessler11/4
Arthur Abraham7/2
Jermain Taylor5/1
Andre Ward10/1
Andre Dirrell14/1
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ournament.html
Look at the betting - Is Taylor closer to a favourite or underdog?
What you are saying is that Kessler, Abraham and Froch had better odds? So, how is Taylor a favorite? I'm sorry, I'm slow today, explain that. I assume from your chart, Froch and Kessler were the favorites.
Before it started, I thought, after doing research, that
Boxing - Super Six odds set looked to be the most professional/best done odds. Danny Sheridan is well-known and respected in the states. He gave Taylor the worst odds of the tournament.
Quick google search produced this:
Taylor vs. Abraham: Breakdown and Prediction - Ted Sares Abraham by KO
FIGHTHYPE \\ FIGHTHYPE PREDICTIONS: TAYLOR VS. ABRAHAM AND FROCH VS. DIRRELL - 13-6 people Abraham.
I could continue to search, but I think most people (I guess outside of Saddo) predicted Abraham to win. Giving you the benefit of the doubt though, at the least, Taylor was never a "favorite" of the tournament.
He was closer to favourite than outsider, unless you are following Danny Sheridan of course. And as I previously said - plenty of fans picked him to win the whole thing.
A quick search shows around a 60-40 split in Abraham's favour. Taylor was CLEARLY far from a no-hoper to many. Fact.
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Bottom line: Taylor was NOT one of the favorites to win the tournament.
It's besides the point, but I think maybe you forgot what you originally said: "Taylor was one of the favourites to win the whole competition, the majority of this forum picked him to beat Abraham."
And now in your last post, "A quick search shows around a 60-40 split in Abraham's favour. Taylor was CLEARLY far from a no-hoper to many." Not only do you quote from East Side Boxing, but you are saying something different now: from being "one of the favourites" to being "not a no-hoper." Not sure what that is called over the pond, but here, we refer to that as "changing your tune."
Its ok Fenster, you can admit when you're wrong, you're still a tough guy to me, mate :rolleyes: FACT
Re: Jonhson v Green is on super six November 6th
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That has nothing to do with it. Dirrell has fought the guys allotted to him - all among the very best in the world. Johnson was NEVER even part of the super six until this week. He gets the WORST fighter in the comp and should he win goes into the semi's? That is complete and utter bullshit.
Taylor was one of the favourites to win the whole competition, the majority of this forum picked him to beat Abraham. Ward beat Miranda easily whereas Green was beaten easily - stinking the joint out in the process. Dirrell was unbeaten.
Green was a rubbish addition that brought nothing to this comp. The only reason he got in is because Lou Dibella was Taylor's promoter.
The only reason I'm arguing this point is that I have no real interest in seeing Dirrell make it to the semi's. Of course, I'll be the first to agree he should be there if he beats Ward though.
First facts straight, only a KO win gets Johnson or Green into the semi-finals.
Second, Abraham is relying on his 3 points from his KO of the worst fighter entering the tournament to make it to the next round - he actually retired after that fight. I'm sorry I was not among those who thought Taylor would beat Abraham. And to say he was a favorite is ludicrous. Kessler was by far and away the favorite and Abraham was thought to be the runner up. I would venture to say next was Froch and then Ward. Taylor was the weakest link. He was only included for name value. How could he have been the favorite after Froch, a competitor in the tournament, knocked him out previously? That's nonsensical.
Third, what has Dirrell done with his chances to advance? Seriously. Name something...oh wait, I get your point, he actually showed up to those fights. I guess in a weird way that is something.
Fourth, would you rather see Dirrell or Johnson fight Froch/Abraham in the next round?
Fifth, explain to me how Green was a worse inclusion than Dirrell? Because Dirrell was undefeated? Really? Come on, man. There really isn't anything different between Dirrell and Green's resume.
I never said Taylor was THE favourite. I said one of the favourites. That's a fact. Ward and Dirrell were both double figure priced outsiders. That's another fact.
Super Six boxing odds: Carl Froch confident of defeating Andre Dirrell
MANY dismissed Froch's late KO over Taylor as a fluke - hence Taylor starting the competition highly favoured. Fact. MANY on this site had him beating Abraham. Fact.
I don't care if Dirrell has stunk the place out. I don't care if he loses every fight. The fact is he has fought light-years stronger competition than Johnson or Green in the Super Six. So for two replacements to be able to leap frog him in one fight is a complete disgrace. Fact.
That's all subjective and doesn't prove anything. Taylor was a betting favorite and the people on this site favored him? What does that really mean? And you include him as a favorite - but not THE favorite. So, what you're saying is that after Froch, Abraham and Kessler, Taylor was as favorite? How is being the 4th ranked person in a tournament of 6 a favorite of any sort? Maybe I'm missing something...
At the heart of what you're saying is that because Dirrell's showed up to face Froch, Abraham, and Ward, even though he hasn't had one true win, you feel he deserves to progress more than Green and Johnson because they haven't showed up to face all those three.
To me, showing up to fight those three, doesn't mean all that much if in your showings, you didn't do jack and in fact, you stunk the place out. But, I can see your argument in the case of Johnson, who hasn't fought anyone at all. I hear you there. But, Green entered the tournament at a disadvantage and fought the guy in his hometown who most people pick to win it all now, and now faces a guy who is impossible to knock out, and must knockout to advance. If Green knocks Glen Johnson out, a guy Chad Dawson, Tavoris Cloud, Yusaf Mack, couldn't knock out, to me, that merits him making the next round more than Dirrell's horrible showings.
Carl Froch7/4
Mikkel Kessler11/4
Arthur Abraham7/2
Jermain Taylor5/1
Andre Ward10/1
Andre Dirrell14/1
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ournament.html
Look at the betting - Is Taylor closer to a favourite or underdog?
What you are saying is that Kessler, Abraham and Froch had better odds? So, how is Taylor a favorite? I'm sorry, I'm slow today, explain that. I assume from your chart, Froch and Kessler were the favorites.
Before it started, I thought, after doing research, that
Boxing - Super Six odds set looked to be the most professional/best done odds. Danny Sheridan is well-known and respected in the states. He gave Taylor the worst odds of the tournament.
Quick google search produced this:
Taylor vs. Abraham: Breakdown and Prediction - Ted Sares Abraham by KO
FIGHTHYPE \\ FIGHTHYPE PREDICTIONS: TAYLOR VS. ABRAHAM AND FROCH VS. DIRRELL - 13-6 people Abraham.
I could continue to search, but I think most people (I guess outside of Saddo) predicted Abraham to win. Giving you the benefit of the doubt though, at the least, Taylor was never a "favorite" of the tournament.
He was closer to favourite than outsider, unless you are following Danny Sheridan of course. And as I previously said - plenty of fans picked him to win the whole thing.
A quick search shows around a 60-40 split in Abraham's favour. Taylor was CLEARLY far from a no-hoper to many. Fact.
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Bottom line: Taylor was NOT one of the favorites to win the tournament.
It's besides the point, but I think maybe you forgot what you originally said: "Taylor was one of the favourites to win the whole competition, the majority of this forum picked him to beat Abraham."
And now in your last post, "A quick search shows around a 60-40 split in Abraham's favour. Taylor was CLEARLY far from a no-hoper to many." Not only do you quote from East Side Boxing, but you are saying something different now: from being "one of the favourites" to being "not a no-hoper." Not sure what that is called over the pond, but here, we refer to that as "changing your tune."
Its ok Fenster, you can admit when you're wrong, you're still a tough guy to me, mate :rolleyes: FACT
You insinuated Taylor was a no-hoper. You called him - "the worst fighter entering the tournament," as my odds show (Taylor is 4th favourite), going by the many fans that picked him to win the whole tournament and even going by the amount that picked him over Abraham (40%), your opinion is almost certainly in the minority.
I was right in saying he was one of the favourites unless we use Danny Sheridan's odds.
I was wrong to say the majority picked Taylor over Abraham (40% is a pretty healthy amount though).
Fact.
Re: Jonhson v Green is on super six November 6th
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That has nothing to do with it. Dirrell has fought the guys allotted to him - all among the very best in the world. Johnson was NEVER even part of the super six until this week. He gets the WORST fighter in the comp and should he win goes into the semi's? That is complete and utter bullshit.
Taylor was one of the favourites to win the whole competition, the majority of this forum picked him to beat Abraham. Ward beat Miranda easily whereas Green was beaten easily - stinking the joint out in the process. Dirrell was unbeaten.
Green was a rubbish addition that brought nothing to this comp. The only reason he got in is because Lou Dibella was Taylor's promoter.
The only reason I'm arguing this point is that I have no real interest in seeing Dirrell make it to the semi's. Of course, I'll be the first to agree he should be there if he beats Ward though.
First facts straight, only a KO win gets Johnson or Green into the semi-finals.
Second, Abraham is relying on his 3 points from his KO of the worst fighter entering the tournament to make it to the next round - he actually retired after that fight. I'm sorry I was not among those who thought Taylor would beat Abraham. And to say he was a favorite is ludicrous. Kessler was by far and away the favorite and Abraham was thought to be the runner up. I would venture to say next was Froch and then Ward. Taylor was the weakest link. He was only included for name value. How could he have been the favorite after Froch, a competitor in the tournament, knocked him out previously? That's nonsensical.
Third, what has Dirrell done with his chances to advance? Seriously. Name something...oh wait, I get your point, he actually showed up to those fights. I guess in a weird way that is something.
Fourth, would you rather see Dirrell or Johnson fight Froch/Abraham in the next round?
Fifth, explain to me how Green was a worse inclusion than Dirrell? Because Dirrell was undefeated? Really? Come on, man. There really isn't anything different between Dirrell and Green's resume.
I never said Taylor was THE favourite. I said one of the favourites. That's a fact. Ward and Dirrell were both double figure priced outsiders. That's another fact.
Super Six boxing odds: Carl Froch confident of defeating Andre Dirrell
MANY dismissed Froch's late KO over Taylor as a fluke - hence Taylor starting the competition highly favoured. Fact. MANY on this site had him beating Abraham. Fact.
I don't care if Dirrell has stunk the place out. I don't care if he loses every fight. The fact is he has fought light-years stronger competition than Johnson or Green in the Super Six. So for two replacements to be able to leap frog him in one fight is a complete disgrace. Fact.
That's all subjective and doesn't prove anything. Taylor was a betting favorite and the people on this site favored him? What does that really mean? And you include him as a favorite - but not THE favorite. So, what you're saying is that after Froch, Abraham and Kessler, Taylor was as favorite? How is being the 4th ranked person in a tournament of 6 a favorite of any sort? Maybe I'm missing something...
At the heart of what you're saying is that because Dirrell's showed up to face Froch, Abraham, and Ward, even though he hasn't had one true win, you feel he deserves to progress more than Green and Johnson because they haven't showed up to face all those three.
To me, showing up to fight those three, doesn't mean all that much if in your showings, you didn't do jack and in fact, you stunk the place out. But, I can see your argument in the case of Johnson, who hasn't fought anyone at all. I hear you there. But, Green entered the tournament at a disadvantage and fought the guy in his hometown who most people pick to win it all now, and now faces a guy who is impossible to knock out, and must knockout to advance. If Green knocks Glen Johnson out, a guy Chad Dawson, Tavoris Cloud, Yusaf Mack, couldn't knock out, to me, that merits him making the next round more than Dirrell's horrible showings.
Carl Froch7/4
Mikkel Kessler11/4
Arthur Abraham7/2
Jermain Taylor5/1
Andre Ward10/1
Andre Dirrell14/1
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ournament.html
Look at the betting - Is Taylor closer to a favourite or underdog?
What you are saying is that Kessler, Abraham and Froch had better odds? So, how is Taylor a favorite? I'm sorry, I'm slow today, explain that. I assume from your chart, Froch and Kessler were the favorites.
Before it started, I thought, after doing research, that
Boxing - Super Six odds set looked to be the most professional/best done odds. Danny Sheridan is well-known and respected in the states. He gave Taylor the worst odds of the tournament.
Quick google search produced this:
Taylor vs. Abraham: Breakdown and Prediction - Ted Sares Abraham by KO
FIGHTHYPE \\ FIGHTHYPE PREDICTIONS: TAYLOR VS. ABRAHAM AND FROCH VS. DIRRELL - 13-6 people Abraham.
I could continue to search, but I think most people (I guess outside of Saddo) predicted Abraham to win. Giving you the benefit of the doubt though, at the least, Taylor was never a "favorite" of the tournament.
He was closer to favourite than outsider, unless you are following Danny Sheridan of course. And as I previously said - plenty of fans picked him to win the whole thing.
A quick search shows around a 60-40 split in Abraham's favour. Taylor was CLEARLY far from a no-hoper to many. Fact.
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Bottom line: Taylor was NOT one of the favorites to win the tournament.
It's besides the point, but I think maybe you forgot what you originally said: "Taylor was one of the favourites to win the whole competition, the majority of this forum picked him to beat Abraham."
And now in your last post, "A quick search shows around a 60-40 split in Abraham's favour. Taylor was CLEARLY far from a no-hoper to many." Not only do you quote from East Side Boxing, but you are saying something different now: from being "one of the favourites" to being "not a no-hoper." Not sure what that is called over the pond, but here, we refer to that as "changing your tune."
Its ok Fenster, you can admit when you're wrong, you're still a tough guy to me, mate :rolleyes: FACT
You insinuated Taylor was a no-hoper. You called him - "the worst fighter entering the tournament," as my odds show (Taylor is 4th favourite), going by the many fans that picked him to win the whole tournament and even going by the amount that picked him over Abraham (40%), your opinion is almost certainly in the minority.
I was right in saying he was
one of the favourites unless we use Danny Sheridan's odds.
I was wrong to say the majority picked Taylor over Abraham (40% is a pretty healthy amount though).
Fact.
how many favorites can there be? there can be one favorite or maybe two favorites? but 4? there can't be 4 favorites if there are only 6 contestants.
i'll put it like this, to the majority of people (not just me), Taylor was one of the underdogs along with the unproven Americans, and after the first round before he retired, he was undoubtedly the worst contestant in the tournament. Green just took over his spot as the worst contestant in the tournament. i will say that Glen Johnson is a tougher fight than Taylor.
Re: Jonhson v Green is on super six November 6th
You know what screw it let johnson in, after all the great fights he's given the sport let him go ahead and have this one last shot. Neither of these guys including taylor had a shot to begin with and it a pretty decent fight for an undercard. I think johnson will probably win simply by outworking him. Green just hasn't looked good lately, i still remember him confused and asking what to do against simms, that's when i started wondering about the guy. I guess i don't totally count green out cause when he does throw he is pretty heavy handed but he's always talked a better game than he actually shows in the ring.
