Re: Haye accuses Klit bros of fighting old run down Americans and rejecting his offer
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
What's all this "piggyback" bullshit? Come on now get real.
1. Pac is not PPV in Britain (apart from being part of Hatton's PPV).
2. Haye sold near 1 million PPVs against Valuev and 600,000 against Ruiz. Who was he piggybacking on in these?
3. PLEASE someone show me where it says Pac-Margarito is on the Haye PPV.
Pac - ODLH was part of Khans comeback PPV, so Hatton isn't the only PPV he has been on. This was supposed to be a huge double header for Sky with Haye fighting over here and then off to Vegas for Pac-Floyd, but as that didn't happen I am just assuming that they have kept Pac as part of the deal. Haye had been saying he was fighting on the 13th November since the date was put forward as a possibility for Pac-Mayweather.
I think that Haye-Audley will match if not better Haye-Valuev whether Pac was on it or not just due to it being 2 Brits fighting for a HW belt. Haye is getting more and more popular over here and is becoming a household name and Audley is known as something of a laughing stock by everyone in the country. People want to see KO's in HW boxing and they want to be entertained watching it, that is what Haye-Audley will bring and that is why people will pay for it.
The amount of people who are what i'd call fringe boxing fans watched Wlad-Peter and were turning it off bored by the 6th round is frightening for HW boxing and is not good for the sport. We need these people to be watching boxing and getting excited by it because they are watching it to be entertained not because they love the sport come rain or shine (like the majority of posters here do) and they are the people who will make up the PPV numbers at the end of the day!
Re: Haye accuses Klit bros of fighting old run down Americans and rejecting his offer
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Unusually, Haye kept silent for a while, but eventually responded. He insists the back injury that forced the cancellation of the 2009 bout with Wladimir was legitimate and that he chose to challenge Valuev rather than Vitali because he received a far better financial offer with less onerous options. Addressing his fans on youtube, he blamed the failure of the 2010 negotiations on the Ukranians, saying he demanded a 50-50 split, but Klitschko rejected it citing conditions laid down by his German TV contract. "I then said, 'Okay you keep 100 percent of German television money and I keep 100 percent of UK TV money. And we split everything else 50-50.' He didn't answer that. So I gave him two options, and he flat out refused both of them."
-December issue of The Ring Magazine article by Gavin Evans with quotes from David Haye.
So clearly not only is someone backing out of this through the negotiations game, but also one of the two has blatantly lied. I'm not saying it's Haye, it could be either one of them. Either way though, Haye has acknowledged here he was okay with a 50/50 split including TV options. The thing we don't know is who first approached who, as they have both claimed to have initiated a total 50/50 split offer, whomever made the offer first therefore is telling the truth.
Re: Haye accuses Klit bros of fighting old run down Americans and rejecting his offer
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Originally Posted by
rjj tszyu
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
What's all this "piggyback" bullshit? Come on now get real.
1. Pac is not PPV in Britain (apart from being part of Hatton's PPV).
2. Haye sold near 1 million PPVs against Valuev and 600,000 against Ruiz. Who was he piggybacking on in these?
3. PLEASE someone show me where it says Pac-Margarito is on the Haye PPV.
Pac - ODLH was part of Khans comeback PPV, so Hatton isn't the only PPV he has been on. This was supposed to be a huge double header for Sky with Haye fighting over here and then off to Vegas for Pac-Floyd, but as that didn't happen I am just assuming that they have kept Pac as part of the deal. Haye had been saying he was fighting on the 13th November since the date was put forward as a possibility for Pac-Mayweather.
I think that Haye-Audley will match if not better Haye-Valuev whether Pac was on it or not just due to it being 2 Brits fighting for a HW belt. Haye is getting more and more popular over here and is becoming a household name and Audley is known as something of a laughing stock by everyone in the country. People want to see KO's in HW boxing and they want to be entertained watching it, that is what Haye-Audley will bring and that is why people will pay for it.
The amount of people who are what i'd call fringe boxing fans watched Wlad-Peter and were turning it off bored by the 6th round is frightening for HW boxing and is not good for the sport. We need these people to be watching boxing and getting excited by it because they are watching it to be entertained not because they love the sport come rain or shine (like the majority of posters here do) and they are the people who will make up the PPV numbers at the end of the day!
Same thing I'm talking about. They were on Khan's PPV, which would have been PPV regardless, and had they not fought on that date, Sky would have shown it FREE or not at all (that was Khan's comeback fight with Fagin and clearly needed bolstering) .
These guys wrongly believe that a 4am American fight, that doesn't invlove a British superstar, will somehow distort the numbers for Haye's upcoming PPV. Even though he's a PROVEN huge PPV seller, and standalone 4am American PPVs don't happen unless a British star is involved.
Clutching at straws. Fact.
Re: Haye accuses Klit bros of fighting old run down Americans and rejecting his offer
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
rjj tszyu
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
What's all this "piggyback" bullshit? Come on now get real.
1. Pac is not PPV in Britain (apart from being part of Hatton's PPV).
2. Haye sold near 1 million PPVs against Valuev and 600,000 against Ruiz. Who was he piggybacking on in these?
3. PLEASE someone show me where it says Pac-Margarito is on the Haye PPV.
Pac - ODLH was part of Khans comeback PPV, so Hatton isn't the only PPV he has been on. This was supposed to be a huge double header for Sky with Haye fighting over here and then off to Vegas for Pac-Floyd, but as that didn't happen I am just assuming that they have kept Pac as part of the deal. Haye had been saying he was fighting on the 13th November since the date was put forward as a possibility for Pac-Mayweather.
I think that Haye-Audley will match if not better Haye-Valuev whether Pac was on it or not just due to it being 2 Brits fighting for a HW belt. Haye is getting more and more popular over here and is becoming a household name and Audley is known as something of a laughing stock by everyone in the country. People want to see KO's in HW boxing and they want to be entertained watching it, that is what Haye-Audley will bring and that is why people will pay for it.
The amount of people who are what i'd call fringe boxing fans watched Wlad-Peter and were turning it off bored by the 6th round is frightening for HW boxing and is not good for the sport. We need these people to be watching boxing and getting excited by it because they are watching it to be entertained not because they love the sport come rain or shine (like the majority of posters here do) and they are the people who will make up the PPV numbers at the end of the day!
Same thing I'm talking about. They were on Khan's PPV, which would have been PPV regardless, and had they not fought on that date, Sky would have shown it FREE or not at all (that was Khan's comeback fight with Fagin and clearly needed bolstering) .
These guys wrongly believe that a 4am American fight, that doesn't invlove a British superstar, will somehow distort the numbers for Haye's upcoming PPV. Even though he's a PROVEN huge PPV seller, and standalone 4am American PPVs don't happen unless a British star is involved.
Clutching at straws. Fact.
No no, I was under the impression that Pac/Margarito was included on the same card, I obviously was mistaken on that point as I can't find the article now, although was rjjtszyu was on the money that there was discussion that Pac/$May would have been included on the card (the reason Haye picked the date originally) and the Pac may be given the piggy back option even after his negotiations with Mayweather fell through. This is clearly not the case now though and I stand corrected.
Haye will definitely sell a lot of PPV and has become a pretty big draw. Although the article I posted Haye states clearly that he originally offered a 50/50 split including TV options. So how is it stealing if it's offered?
Re: Haye accuses Klit bros of fighting old run down Americans and rejecting his offer
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
rjj tszyu
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
What's all this "piggyback" bullshit? Come on now get real.
1. Pac is not PPV in Britain (apart from being part of Hatton's PPV).
2. Haye sold near 1 million PPVs against Valuev and 600,000 against Ruiz. Who was he piggybacking on in these?
3. PLEASE someone show me where it says Pac-Margarito is on the Haye PPV.
Pac - ODLH was part of Khans comeback PPV, so Hatton isn't the only PPV he has been on. This was supposed to be a huge double header for Sky with Haye fighting over here and then off to Vegas for Pac-Floyd, but as that didn't happen I am just assuming that they have kept Pac as part of the deal. Haye had been saying he was fighting on the 13th November since the date was put forward as a possibility for Pac-Mayweather.
I think that Haye-Audley will match if not better Haye-Valuev whether Pac was on it or not just due to it being 2 Brits fighting for a HW belt. Haye is getting more and more popular over here and is becoming a household name and Audley is known as something of a laughing stock by everyone in the country. People want to see KO's in HW boxing and they want to be entertained watching it, that is what Haye-Audley will bring and that is why people will pay for it.
The amount of people who are what i'd call fringe boxing fans watched Wlad-Peter and were turning it off bored by the 6th round is frightening for HW boxing and is not good for the sport. We need these people to be watching boxing and getting excited by it because they are watching it to be entertained not because they love the sport come rain or shine (like the majority of posters here do) and they are the people who will make up the PPV numbers at the end of the day!
Same thing I'm talking about. They were on Khan's PPV, which would have been PPV regardless, and had they not fought on that date, Sky would have shown it FREE or not at all (that was Khan's comeback fight with Fagin and clearly needed bolstering) .
These guys wrongly believe that a 4am American fight, that doesn't invlove a British superstar, will somehow distort the numbers for Haye's upcoming PPV. Even though he's a PROVEN huge PPV seller, and standalone 4am American PPVs don't happen unless a British star is involved.
Clutching at straws. Fact.
No no, I was under the impression that Pac/Margarito was included on the same card, I obviously was mistaken on that point as I can't find the article now, although was rjjtszyu was on the money that there was discussion that Pac/$May would have been included on the card (the reason Haye picked the date originally) and the Pac may be given the piggy back option even after his negotiations with Mayweather fell through.
This is clearly not the case now though and I stand corrected.
Haye will definitely sell a lot of PPV and has become a pretty big draw. Although the article I posted Haye states clearly that he originally offered a 50/50 split including TV options. So how is it stealing if it's offered?
Come on man, I said that tongue-in-cheek. This was a thread started so people could bash Haye. I was merely playing with Klitchkos manager's quote that Haye earns more from TV than the Klits - hence the KLits are being greedy (I already knew all about the Klits RTL deal and what not).
As for the piggybacking PPV - I understand your mistake, but even though I quickly corrected it, there has still been 3-4 posts congratulating you on the mistake. Is peoples hatred for Haye so great that they can't even admit the unequivocal fact that he's a BIG PPV seller? For fucks sake :rolleyes:
And as for Haye's date being picked to coincide with Pac-Floyd - a) Pac-Floyd was never even signed, right? and b) Haye-Harrison was announced long after Pac-Floyd was scrapped. If ANY non-Brit fight could be PPV here it's that one. So adding it to the Haye card makes sense. But it's not like Haye-Harrison was going to struggle.
Re: Haye accuses Klit bros of fighting old run down Americans and rejecting his offer
If that was a mistake then I take it back, but the other fact about fighting run down old fighters remains quite true. Haye is beating both Klits at that game (fighting old run down fighters) and is significantly younger than the both of them.
I don't see that as hate, I see that as pointing out the facts (not that I am taking the credit for those facts). If they are the facts then they are the facts. Haye at heavyweight only fights old men.
Actually, now that KS has pointed it out and you go and gander over at Boxing Rec, Haye is quite shocking. It really is all he does. Quite shameless. Oh, but considering it makes him money then we should all excuse it and say "nice one, David".
This leaves me convinced that Vitali is on the hitlist for 2014.
Re: Haye accuses Klit bros of fighting old run down Americans and rejecting his offer
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Originally Posted by
miles
If that was a mistake then I take it back, but the other fact about fighting run down old fighters remains quite true. Haye is beating both Klits at that game (fighting old run down fighters) and is significantly younger than the both of them.
I don't see that as hate, I see that as pointing out the facts (not that I am taking the credit for those facts). If they are the facts then they are the facts. Haye at heavyweight only fights old men.
Actually, now that KS has pointed it out and you go and gander over at Boxing Rec, Haye is quite shocking. It really is all he does. Quite shameless. Oh, but considering it makes him money then we should all excuse it and say "nice one, David".
This leaves me convinced that Vitali is on the hitlist for 2014.
Haye meant "old run down fighters" compared to him. As in they are ducking him.
You see, Klits say Haye is ducking them so Haye says they are ducking him. It just the usual boxing bullshit.
Re: Haye accuses Klit bros of fighting old run down Americans and rejecting his offer
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Originally Posted by
miles
If that was a mistake then I take it back, but the other fact about fighting run down old fighters remains quite true. Haye is beating both Klits at that game (fighting old run down fighters) and is significantly younger than the both of them.
I don't see that as hate, I see that as pointing out the facts (not that I am taking the credit for those facts). If they are the facts then they are the facts. Haye at heavyweight only fights old men.
Actually, now that KS has pointed it out and you go and gander over at Boxing Rec, Haye is quite shocking. It really is all he does. Quite shameless. Oh, but considering it makes him money then we should all excuse it and say "nice one, David".
This leaves me convinced that Vitali is on the hitlist for 2014.
Come on though mate be fair. Haye is talking bollocks about the Klits only fighting old americans and we all know that. He should have just said they only fight bums (that is all there is), but he fought Valuev to win the title and Ruiz was his mandatory defence. He cannot be blamed for either IMO.
Re: Haye accuses Klit bros of fighting old run down Americans and rejecting his offer
Now Fenster is on the money here, the Pac Marg fight won't make a bit of difference to the Haye/Audely fight not one bit.
Haye/Harrison fight had nothing to do with the Pac fight being on the same night at all. :confused:
The reason the Haye fight is on the November 13th is because that is the only time before christmas that there is a date available at one of the two big arena's in the uk. MEN and O2. That is the sole reason tht the fight is on this date Greg nothing to do with the Pac fight at all. ;)
Pac Hatton only did 300k on ppv, the Smae Hatton who did 1.4 million v Mayweather. On another note sky havne't even officialy announced the Pac fight is on sky yet have they?
Re: Haye accuses Klit bros of fighting old run down Americans and rejecting his offer
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skel1983
Now Fenster is on the money here, the Pac Marg fight won't make a bit of difference to the Haye/Audely fight not one bit.
Haye/Harrison fight had nothing to do with the Pac fight being on the same night at all. :confused:
The reason the Haye fight is on the November 13th is because that is the only time before christmas that there is a date available at one of the two big arena's in the uk. MEN and O2. That is the sole reason tht the fight is on this date Greg nothing to do with the Pac fight at all. ;)
Pac Hatton only did 300k on ppv, the Smae Hatton who did 1.4 million v Mayweather. On another note sky havne't even officialy announced the Pac fight is on sky yet have they?
Perhaps I didn't make it bold enough on my post where I stated "This is clearly not the case now though and I stand corrected."
But I digress.
Re: Haye accuses Klit bros of fighting old run down Americans and rejecting his offer
...how haye can talk and fight audley freakin harrison with a straight face is amazing. That people are paying money to watch this garbage even more so....as long as people support crap like this fight they will continue to give us crap fights. Why not. Why fight either of the klitch's which he knows he can't beat when he can get paid to fight bums who can't even beat cab drivers (rogan). Thank god for the nfl.....this bs is like the jets talking shit about winning the super bowl but only want to play the bills !!! Can't fault mma and its fans for liking thier sport. Even the fights they show free on spike are more competitive and interesting than 90 % of the junk we get here. Audley harrison....give me a freakin break. And people run around crying about who floyd fights ??!!! Amazing.
Re: Haye accuses Klit bros of fighting old run down Americans and rejecting his offer
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Originally Posted by
skel1983
Now Fenster is on the money here, the Pac Marg fight won't make a bit of difference to the Haye/Audely fight not one bit.
Haye/Harrison fight had nothing to do with the Pac fight being on the same night at all. :confused:
The reason the Haye fight is on the November 13th is because that is the only time before christmas that there is a date available at one of the two big arena's in the uk. MEN and O2. That is the sole reason tht the fight is on this date Greg nothing to do with the Pac fight at all. ;)
Pac Hatton only did 300k on ppv, the Smae Hatton who did 1.4 million v Mayweather. On another note sky havne't even officialy announced the Pac fight is on sky yet have they?
Great point.
I think Sky have a date filled for every Saturday until christmas too.
It must be hard for overseas fans to comprehend that worldwide boxing stars are not as big as British fighters here. We pay for Khan-Salita but get Oscar-Floyd free.
Pac-Margarito is FAR more important to the boxing world than Haye-Harrison yet it will be totally overshadowed by the British contest here. It might get a fleeting mention in the sports pages.
Re: Haye accuses Klit bros of fighting old run down Americans and rejecting his offer
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
skel1983
Now Fenster is on the money here, the Pac Marg fight won't make a bit of difference to the Haye/Audely fight not one bit.
Haye/Harrison fight had nothing to do with the Pac fight being on the same night at all. :confused:
The reason the Haye fight is on the November 13th is because that is the only time before christmas that there is a date available at one of the two big arena's in the uk. MEN and O2. That is the sole reason tht the fight is on this date Greg nothing to do with the Pac fight at all. ;)
Pac Hatton only did 300k on ppv, the Smae Hatton who did 1.4 million v Mayweather. On another note sky havne't even officialy announced the Pac fight is on sky yet have they?
Great point.
I think Sky have a date filled for every Saturday until christmas too.
It must be hard for overseas fans to comprehend that worldwide boxing stars are not as big as British fighters here. We pay for Khan-Salita but get Oscar-Floyd free.
Pac-Margarito is FAR more important to the boxing world than Haye-Harrison yet it will be totally overshadowed by the British contest here. It might get a fleeting mention in the sports pages.
I don't think anyone that gives it two seconds thought underestimates British fanaticism.
Re: Haye accuses Klit bros of fighting old run down Americans and rejecting his offer
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
skel1983
Now Fenster is on the money here, the Pac Marg fight won't make a bit of difference to the Haye/Audely fight not one bit.
Haye/Harrison fight had nothing to do with the Pac fight being on the same night at all. :confused:
The reason the Haye fight is on the November 13th is because that is the only time before christmas that there is a date available at one of the two big arena's in the uk. MEN and O2. That is the sole reason tht the fight is on this date Greg nothing to do with the Pac fight at all. ;)
Pac Hatton only did 300k on ppv, the Smae Hatton who did 1.4 million v Mayweather. On another note sky havne't even officialy announced the Pac fight is on sky yet have they?
Great point.
I think Sky have a date filled for every Saturday until christmas too.
It must be hard for overseas fans to comprehend that worldwide boxing stars are not as big as British fighters here. We pay for Khan-Salita but get Oscar-Floyd free.
Pac-Margarito is FAR more important to the boxing world than Haye-Harrison yet it will be totally overshadowed by the British contest here. It might get a fleeting mention in the sports pages.
I don't think anyone that gives it two seconds thought underestimates British fanaticism.
That's a bit harsh.
It's like this - Pac-Margarito happens at 4am UK time and gets zero press coverage. Haye-Harrison happens at 9pm primetime and gets tons of press coverage.
You expect the general British fanatic to be interested in something they know nothing about and can't see? Come on now Sheepy ;)
Re: Haye accuses Klit bros of fighting old run down Americans and rejecting his offer
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
skel1983
Now Fenster is on the money here, the Pac Marg fight won't make a bit of difference to the Haye/Audely fight not one bit.
Haye/Harrison fight had nothing to do with the Pac fight being on the same night at all. :confused:
The reason the Haye fight is on the November 13th is because that is the only time before christmas that there is a date available at one of the two big arena's in the uk. MEN and O2. That is the sole reason tht the fight is on this date Greg nothing to do with the Pac fight at all. ;)
Pac Hatton only did 300k on ppv, the Smae Hatton who did 1.4 million v Mayweather. On another note sky havne't even officialy announced the Pac fight is on sky yet have they?
Great point.
I think Sky have a date filled for every Saturday until christmas too.
It must be hard for overseas fans to comprehend that worldwide boxing stars are not as big as British fighters here. We pay for Khan-Salita but get Oscar-Floyd free.
Pac-Margarito is FAR more important to the boxing world than Haye-Harrison yet it will be totally overshadowed by the British contest here. It might get a fleeting mention in the sports pages.
I don't think anyone that gives it two seconds thought underestimates British fanaticism.
That's a bit harsh.
It's like this - Pac-Margarito happens at 4am UK time and gets zero press coverage. Haye-Harrison happens at 9pm primetime and gets tons of press coverage.
You expect the general British fanatic to be interested in something they know nothing about and can't see? Come on now Sheepy ;)
Never said that, I said British are fanatics, never said anything about being more interested Pac/Margarito than Haye/Harrison. I don't think there's anything harsh in what I said at all, or perhaps you don't think British fans are fanatics?
