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I think Paul Williams is like Margarito he's too easy to hit AND we've seen his chin does have some give in it. Andre Berto would get stomped out by Manny, he couldn't hang with him. Other than Floyd I give Bradley a shot over anyone else. Zab Judah in his prime had the skills to give anyone trouble, but I think it's a bridge too far for him now.
I like BHop. I respect the guy for what he has accomplished in life, what he was still able to make out of it despite the early trials.
The few times he's found out of sort, are in situations where his sheer passion in keeping, preserving his accomplishments, and the respect just due, he'd gone astray and clutched on straws using inferior reasoning. Probably this ill-on-comfort "defensive stance" is an offshoot of his period of incarceration, it is anybody's guess. Lack of good judgment, who knows.
This recent one though, is of a different flair. It is not that crazy defensive posturing variety. I'd just as soon store this as hype.
There it is, hype. In putting forth an effort to keep his associate, PBF, in the mold of things while he tidies up all things needed mending, Hopkins came up with this lame skit...
It's a shame that people with the stature of a Bernard Hopkins need to go this route, stick their necks, just to buy Floyd Jr. time before he inks his John Hancock on the dotted lines... If it ever so happens. (IMHO)
This is HOPKINS we're talking about. Is anyone surprised at anything he says?
No he hasn't ruined his legacy.
No he isn't a bum.
No suddenly his fights aren't worthless and he isn;t an all time great anymore.
Come on people, this is Hopkins, if this gets under your skin when HE says it, people must have a really bad memory. Hopkins has said so many things over the years I just chalk up anything ridiculous as "That's Hopkins!" and then i play the woody woodpecker theme in my head and go on about my day. Is anyone really surprised?
That is Hopkins dissing latino fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Hopkins disses everyone, white, latino, aliens(cause he loves conspiracies) I've gotten to the point im not shocked by anything he says. He is in the management business with the most famous latino boxer of all time so I take everything he says with a grain of salt.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::That is Hopkins dissing latino fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Yeah genius...how can you be slick and elusive and survive Pac...wait a minute...Marquez did it twice. Stop being a nuthugger. It's easy to give "hell" to fighters that are slow and walk into your punches. Don't jump off a bridge when Floyd does what Marquez did except 100 times more effectively.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
JMM wasn't slick or elusive, he counter punched his way throughout 12 rounds. What the fuck are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubinYeah genius...how can you be slick and elusive and survive Pac...wait a minute...Marquez did it twice. Stop being a nuthugger. It's easy to give "hell" to fighters that are slow and walk into your punches. Don't jump off a bridge when Floyd does what Marquez did except 100 times more effectively.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Floyd wont even get in the ring with pac cause he knows he aint going to be 100 times more effective against pac.
Your the one nuthugging floyds pussy where there once balls.
If Hopkins wasn't an ATG boxer, he'd be just another loudmouth, racist jerk. So basically, he's just a loudmouth, racist ATG boxer. It should surprise no one that Hopkins says things like this. It's ALL about race with him. He reminds me of old Larry Holmes, except that I don't dislike Hopkins as much as I TRULY DISLIKE Holmes. But what else to expect from Hopkins? He's a street dude... self-made... has done his time... shoots from the hip, pays little or no attention to how people might think or feel. Well, actually it's about race and MONEY. He's always quick to point out that boxing is a business, which in itself isn't so bad except that you sort of wish that fighters would at least PRETEND to care about the sport itself. Once in awhile Hopkins crude candor can be refreshing, but most of the time it comes across all wrong, which is why many people dislike the guy.
Whoever is that slick boxer is, he must throw a good volume of punches too because you can't simply beat manny by picking him apart and throwing very little punches. Doesn't matter if you're black or white, you must throw a good volume of punches against manny because manny is a hell busy fighter and not just simply a busy fighter, realize by now that manny isn't just fast and strong he is actually "accurately fast".
In recent years, manny had slowed down and sees the game even more slowed and that's because he had favored to be more accurate rather than be ridiculously super fast but wastes punches as he plowed in. His mastery of angles is also a problem itself even to those so called slick fighters. in fact, angling is a more rare style than slicks are.
My opinion is the best fighter than can beat manny is still a marquez type of a fighter. A counter puncher who also throws a good volume of punches. But one can argue, that the manny pacquiao version that marquez had fought to a draw and a controversial loss has long been gone and instinct, the new one is more versatile and a lot more tricky with his mastery of right hook,left cross, in and out plus heavy side to side movements and angles. This version is even more problematic to face with than ever before.
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Originally Posted by milmascaras1
EXACTLY. I would answer Bhop with..... when there's a black fighter with a title at the relevant weight that will fight him.
And when he fought at 140, Bradley wasn't champ. Alexander wasn't. Only "black" fighter that was available and had a name was Shane.
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Originally Posted by Ant Live
Bhop is lobbying to get Shane this fight. He could care less about Mayweather.
Shane is his friend, business partner, training partner, shares trainer, and Shane WANTS the fight with Pac or anybody top notch, he won't turn down a fight.
Shane is my favorite fighter, and I like Pac, so I really don't want to see that one. Shane gets hit too much, and has no quit.
I agree, SHane even in his prime was no slick boxer. He still got tagged quite a bit. When I'm thinking slick, it's Sweetpea and Mayweather that comes to mind, the defensive fighters that are hard as hell to hit.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Ant Live
Bhop is lobbying to get Shane this fight. He could care less about Mayweather.
Shane is his friend, business partner, training partner, shares trainer, and Shane WANTS the fight with Pac or anybody top notch, he won't turn down a fight.
Shane is my favorite fighter, and I like Pac, so I really don't want to see that one. Shane gets hit too much, and has no quit.
Berto ain't slick, and neither are Bradley and Alexander, especially Alexander. Hell a lot of people thought he lost against slow as hell Kotelnik, Alexander was getting tagged every round by a freaking jab!
As people have said, I think he's trying to get a fight for Shane. But Shane at this point is pretty much washed up.
Yeah. If JMM was so elusive then how come he got knocked down 5 times (counting the one when he held the rope) against Pac?Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainJMM wasn't slick or elusive, he counter punched his way throughout 12 rounds. What the fuck are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubinYeah genius...how can you be slick and elusive and survive Pac...wait a minute...Marquez did it twice. Stop being a nuthugger. It's easy to give "hell" to fighters that are slow and walk into your punches. Don't jump off a bridge when Floyd does what Marquez did except 100 times more effectively.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Floyd wont even get in the ring with pac cause he knows he aint going to be 100 times more effective against pac.
Your the one nuthugging floyds pussy where there once balls.
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Even a slow Barrera caught him with a good one (or two) ;D
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Plus Pac fought him twice in their best weight class. Floyd fought him at Floyd's best weightclass after he cheated JMM at the weigh-in scale.
Floyd is catchable too...
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Like the homie O said,
Pac got no problem fighting Africans . He gave Dominicans a try. But he got his ass whooped and almost started to cry. So he never went back. Thus the ducking of Joan Guzman.
He hasn't attempted Cubans or African Americans at all, at least not anyone we know. Picking David Diaz over Joel Casamayor and Nate Campbell (the real Champions) was just shameful. His fanbase excuse doesn't even work there. Both clearly trump David fukkin Diaz.
Ah man Bernard needs to sit down on this one. Quite a reach...was Mosley standing behind his business partner with this expression ":-X"
Call this the Dempsey argument I suppose ?!