I'm not going to deny that Ali was a good fighter, but I just cannot make myself sign off on "The Greatest." Too many things he did wrong.
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I'm not going to deny that Ali was a good fighter, but I just cannot make myself sign off on "The Greatest." Too many things he did wrong.
But the majority of things he did were great. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
You know, Ali is one of those guys that, what he did worked for him, but if you try teaching it to somebody else it will get them killed. RJJ is like that, and so, I think is Willie Pep.
Very true, his attributes meant he could fight in such an unorthodox way. Not a textbook style, it was very flawed in many aspects but his athleticism and physical gifts meant he could fight effectively that way. You're right in that no coach would try and teach their guy to fight that way - it just wouldn't work for 9 out of 10 fightersQuote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
I'll have to give my top 10 some more thought before I post it. I've got an idea of who I'd have in it, but the order is kind of jumbled up.
Ali was a showman. We need one of this in every era to keep the fire of the sport :)
The problem is that Ali didn't go KO when he is hit and he got hit alot. I think it was much better for him to got punch drunk with 25 and quit boxing. Now he is spending half of his life like vegetable! When someone is boxing that way he must know the prise that he is going to pay and for magority of us it doesn't worth it!
David Haye will surely be on this list in years to come...
As this is suppose to be "Top 10 greatest heavyweights of all time!!!", why are you lot only covering the years from 1960 to present day?
What about fighters like Max Schmeling or Harry Wills. Should they not belong in the top ten list?
I guess you could argue for Sam Langford, John L Sullivan, Jack Johnson etc. The thing is, how much have you seen of any of these guys to be able to make a judgementQuote:
Originally Posted by Ghost
ALI - robbed of his prime, would have fought Frazier as early as 1968, where would that have left Joe?
LOUIS - Obviously by his record was a dynamo.
JOHNSON- Was a star in an era when everything was against him.
HOLMES- Brilliant boxer, had some close calls (Norton) A great fighter!
DEMPSEY- He destroyed everything in his path until he met the skills of Tunney
FOREMAN- The first real monster of boxing, his destruction of Smokin Joe is quite possibly the most dominant performance in HW history against such a formidable foe.
FRAZIER- Joe just kept on coming, a lethal left hook, one of the best you will ever see.
MARCIANO- His record speaks for itself, whether he fought guys in their prime or not, he still went undefeated in 49 fights.
TYSON- For a short time there from 1986-1989 he was invincible, people were saying he was the greatest ever, i wasn't convinced, but he was awesome in that period.
TUNNEY- Just nudges out Ezzard Charles because of the Dempsey wins.
I reckon there are probably 20 names that could get on the top 10 list, as I have said before ther are only a few that I reckon should defnitely be on the list
Ali, Louis, Holmes (for absolutely sure) Tyson & Foreman (almost certainly)
Can't for the life of me ever put Tyson ahead of Holyfield on an all time list. No math class here...level of comp for me and outcome and unfolding. Spinks, comebacking and 1 fight in Holmes, Tubbs, Bruno, um...Tucker, Ruddock ? I'll take Holyfields era and facing the best available over Tysons list of belt warmers. Not to mention Holyfield beat & broke Tyson like a day old loaf of French bread when Holyfield was given zero shot to even finish on his feet.
Hate to disagree but Hoyfield was inconsistant after Bowe defeats, he lost to Moorer!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Tyson lost to fucking Douglas at least Holyfeild avenged his lose also was having health problems.
I've always had a thought that his biggest, or, maybe, "realest", health problem in that first Moorer fight was moorer's right jab.
1. muhammad ali/cassius clay because both of those careers were #1 any way u slice it.
2. joe louis because who can defend thier title 26 times successfully?
3. jack johnson because you cant compare anyone to him/in his own genre/class/world.
4. larry holmes becasue who could take that overhand right from earnie and win the round?
and who could go 48-0 these days? and beat Norton/Cooney/Weaver/Shavers/Withersp?
5. rocky marciano because dont gimme this overrated crap, nobody could beat this guy, sometimes in life a rare thing happens and you can't touch somebody, he's blessed.
6. george foreman because he was the shidt and if he woulda known about the rope a dope, stayed back, conserved some energy, and drove that telephone pole left jab into ali's face like throw 50 jabs per round, he couldve KO'd ali just like that without even a power punch. that jab woulda eventually sucked ali's strength out worse than those body punches did.
7. jack dempsey
8. joe frazier
9. evander holyfield
10. mike tyson
11. lennox lewis
can't include liston, norton, bowe, tunney, walcott, patterson in the top 10.