how is Perez doing? It seemed like really boring so i turned it off. How do you score it.?
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how is Perez doing? It seemed like really boring so i turned it off. How do you score it.?
Pretty one sided, Perez used his defense to win basically. He doesnt strike me as a very strong offensive fighter, but he is elusive. He seems very short, and has a small reach. He was fighting a lightweight who came down to super feather, but he still has short arms, it seems.
it seems to me like reach will be a problem after the first coouple rounds. but i see it was a shutout .
The guy he was fighting didnt jab very effectively.
Only saw the last 15 minutes, they put the fight on at 6 am, and do not repeat it. :(
I say size to Berto, well becuase its right there. He's weighed 145 lb his entire career and as much as jr middle and Ortiz has weighed 144lbs or less his entire career. Height wise has to be Ortiz and he def fights taller. In fairness if you look at the back spread on Ortiz no doubt his recent weights are pretty 'unofficial'. Taller leaner, Berto a squatier compact guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I'm not sure Berto really has any of those advantages. I think his only advantage is he's so far demonstrated more resolve and the abiltiy to fight through adversity.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliFor all of his advantages...size, hand speed, push, level of comp...Berto had better hammer him like a nail or take criticism longer it goes really. Berto is still a somewhat flawed fighter when you look below the surface, pretty catchable with shots down the middle and before its over I think Ortiz will test his chin accordingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
I think both have some mental stir ups in spots but Ortiz really seems more and more manufactured, like he's trying to convince himself and could be his downfall even before the bell rings.
Has Provodnikov been told it is illegal to throw any sort bodyshot ??? Just one? Really
Ortiz really is a vicious fighter, and it wouldn't surprise me if he comes on the bigger man on the night. He's noticeably taller and it might be like when Guerrero moved up and dwarfed his higher weight opponent in Katsidis.
Got a feeling Ortiz might be a tough opponent. I expect Berto to win, but I don't think he's fought anyone as good as Ortiz. If he does't break mentally or allow Berto to impose his will, it could be a great fight.
Handspeed I dont think its close. Shot for shot berto wide I believe.
Talking victory Collazo, Quintana and even a Urango do more for me then a completely used up Julio Diaz, Campbell and a absolutley spent force in Harris who had no business in the ring. Peterson was the 'fresher' of the bunch and going in fiquered to do more I believe. BOTH of these guys has some very carefully constructed confidence builder type matches. bertos title win alone was a farce of a challenger and I think both have looked iffy at times, Berto mainly in between rounds. Fights like a guy stuck between styles.
Ortiz takes alot of stuff and brings alot on himself but anyone who climbs back in the ropes after being pulverized like he was vs Maidana earns points for coming back from adversity in the big picture...now what happens next time he gets rocked badly by a fresh threat, we wil DEF find out tonight. Cannot totally discount experience gained from a loss like that and he will see ghosts...he'll either go forward or he'll go limp. I think he has tools to hurt Berto, and think he can win this one. Its really not his skills in question here, its what he has inside and between his ears. Man that was too long, I need to switch to decaf :p